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Ferrets are Cool

(21,102 posts)
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 09:36 AM Sep 2020

College coaches are now saying they will NOT share Covid results once the

season starts. Lincoln Riley came right out and admitted it yesterday and Sweeney has pretty much stated the same. This is 100% bullshit and the presidents of these Universities AND the NCAA have to step in and correct this immediately.

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College coaches are now saying they will NOT share Covid results once the (Original Post) Ferrets are Cool Sep 2020 OP
Not shocking ... JT45242 Sep 2020 #1
100% True Ferrets are Cool Sep 2020 #2
+1 crickets Sep 2020 #11
NCAA needs to issue a policy that all teams must release that info. I can understand a coach saying Hoyt Sep 2020 #3
They MUST do this. This is NOT an injury, as is being stated. This is a pandemic level crisis Ferrets are Cool Sep 2020 #5
After Dabo won one game, he proclaimed... czarjak Sep 2020 #4
He lost me when I saw him on the sideline berating his player for doing something Ferrets are Cool Sep 2020 #6
There are probably HIPPA concerns fescuerescue Sep 2020 #7
It's not really about HIPAA. Chiyo-chichi Sep 2020 #9
Right. However fescuerescue Sep 2020 #13
It is NOT about HIPAA. Not even a little. You can verify this two ways. Maru Kitteh Sep 2020 #17
+1 Ferrets are Cool Sep 2020 #18
I would think so. Dr. Strange Sep 2020 #10
Maybe. fescuerescue Sep 2020 #14
Make them sign that they are taking responsibility for the players. gibraltar72 Sep 2020 #8
They've already been caught lying about them Johnny2X2X Sep 2020 #12
I am hoping the Big Ten sticks with their season delay. roamer65 Sep 2020 #15
Reporting should be a condition of playing. No report, no games Takket Sep 2020 #16
And the NCAA should step in and actually DO something for a change Ferrets are Cool Sep 2020 #19
NCAA Is Toothless ProfessorGAC Sep 2020 #22
They are only powerless when they choose to be...if they want to tell a "student athlete" Ferrets are Cool Sep 2020 #23
Fair Enough ProfessorGAC Sep 2020 #24
Having played FB in High School in Texas I always kept kairos12 Sep 2020 #20
agree 100 % Ferrets are Cool Sep 2020 #21

JT45242

(2,237 posts)
1. Not shocking ...
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 09:41 AM
Sep 2020

Let's be honest. Sweeney only really cares about himself. If some of those players get sick and die but he gets a 'W' which leads to a bigger and better contract, he would be OK with that. (Just look at footage of guys who have played for him who were clearly concussed and not pulled from games). He is not alone, but I have seen more guys who looked concussed still play in Clemson games than any other team on TV the last few years.

The only way to make this safe is to take it out of the hands of the coaches who have a personal financial stake in keeping players on the field.

My real fear is that taking these teams traveling will become superspreader events as they infect travel personnel, hotel staff, etc. and then go back and spread in both communities.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. NCAA needs to issue a policy that all teams must release that info. I can understand a coach saying
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 09:55 AM
Sep 2020

he won't do it, unless all teams do.

If some college does not comply, they should be sanctioned tougher than just about any NCAA rule violation I can think of.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,102 posts)
5. They MUST do this. This is NOT an injury, as is being stated. This is a pandemic level crisis
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 10:01 AM
Sep 2020

that affects many others than just the so-called "student athletes". The coaches are being self indulgent asswipes.

czarjak

(11,246 posts)
4. After Dabo won one game, he proclaimed...
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 10:01 AM
Sep 2020

“God is good”. Like it was a reward for him being so righteous.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,102 posts)
6. He lost me when I saw him on the sideline berating his player for doing something
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 10:05 AM
Sep 2020

boneheaded. Yes, all coaches do it, but he seems to take special glee in letting these "plebes" know how low they are on the pecking order.

Chiyo-chichi

(3,572 posts)
9. It's not really about HIPAA.
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 10:45 AM
Sep 2020

They were previously reporting along the lines of "we had 14 players test positive for COVID-19 this week." They weren't releasing names.
They're going to stop doing even that and treat COVID cases like injuries in terms of public disclosure. So if quarterback John Doe has tested positive, he'll just appear on the team's "injured reserved list" and they won't say anything about why.
The real question is... with teams likely doing testing internally... are their COVID cases still reported to the appropriate county and state health agencies? They should still do that even if they aren't telling the sports media "we had 11 new cases this week."

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
13. Right. However
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 11:55 AM
Sep 2020

If it's obviously inferred it can still be considered a HIPAA violation.

Perhaps it isn't. But it's expensive to defend those kind of lawsuits even if you win,.

There's alot of uncertainty these days around anything COVID

Maru Kitteh

(28,313 posts)
17. It is NOT about HIPAA. Not even a little. You can verify this two ways.
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 12:48 PM
Sep 2020

1.) It is an absolute certainty that entire rooms full of lawyers have vetted this across dozens of organizations and institutions from high schools to professional hockey teams who DO release this non-PPI in the form of generic #'s of persons testing positive in the org.

2.) You can read this:

Permitted Uses and Disclosures

Permitted Uses and Disclosures. A covered entity is permitted, but not required, to use and disclose protected health information, without an individual’s authorization, for the following purposes or situations: (1) To the Individual (unless required for access or accounting of disclosures); (2) Treatment, Payment, and Health Care Operations; (3) Opportunity to Agree or Object; (4) Incident to an otherwise permitted use and disclosure; (5) Public Interest and Benefit Activities; and (6) Limited Data Set for the purposes of research, public health or health care operations.18 Covered entities may rely on professional ethics and best judgments in deciding which of these permissive uses and disclosures to make.


which can be found here: https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/privacy/laws-regulations/index.html

The above explains how this information could be covered even if the information could be considered PPI. In such instances, the bare minimum of PPI is disclosed and any further disclosure is the decision of the patient/person. In this case, the positive test result.

Simply saying 3 players tested positive in a group of 125 players is in no way personally identifying that player. You would have to go much further such as giving the race, height, weight, position played, etc. in order to reasonably be considered having identified that patient. That is why simply releasing the number of positives on a team and on the support staff is NOT considered PPI.



Dr. Strange

(25,915 posts)
10. I would think so.
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 10:46 AM
Sep 2020

Like HIPAA surely wouldn't allow them to release the names of specific students that have the virus. But maybe they could say something vague like, "Someone on the team has it."?

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
14. Maybe.
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 11:56 AM
Sep 2020

And if that star player isn't playing and people with 2 brains cells connects the dots....

Then they get to defend against a lawsuit.

Lawyers will generally tell you the three rules of avoiding lawsuits. 1) Shutup. 2) Don't talk 3)Be quiet.

gibraltar72

(7,498 posts)
8. Make them sign that they are taking responsibility for the players.
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 10:14 AM
Sep 2020

I'm guessing they won't do that. Think I saw 69 deaths at colleges staff and athletes. That will rise.

Johnny2X2X

(18,967 posts)
12. They've already been caught lying about them
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 11:02 AM
Sep 2020

Several Big Ten teams reported cases and had to suspend practice for 2 weeks because they were following CDC guidelines about quarantine. Michigan however, wasn't reporting cases, they were keeping it private until just a couple weeks ago when they announced they had had 11 cases since the players returned to workouts. Only problem with that is that they never suspended workouts or practices, so they kept them a secret so they didn't have to quarantine.

The coaches will lie, it's part of that culture.

ProfessorGAC

(64,826 posts)
22. NCAA Is Toothless
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 04:49 PM
Sep 2020

College football runs itself.
Geez, the NCAA has nothing to do with the national champion!
They can make a statement, but if the schools choose to ignore them, nothing will happen.
They're powerless in football.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,102 posts)
23. They are only powerless when they choose to be...if they want to tell a "student athlete"
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 04:52 PM
Sep 2020

that he can't transfer OR that he can't make 10 dollars for a signature, they are ALL IN.

ProfessorGAC

(64,826 posts)
24. Fair Enough
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 04:56 PM
Sep 2020

But, with college football programs, they're a nonentity.
They can &want" to exert power, but they'll be ignored!

kairos12

(12,841 posts)
20. Having played FB in High School in Texas I always kept
Wed Sep 9, 2020, 04:21 PM
Sep 2020

the thought that coaches didn't give a rat's ass about the welfare of their players.

Coaches, especially college coaches, are athletic mafia bosses.

Sweeney is a rare POS with his evangelizing BS.

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