Listening to tRump brag about the US having the best "death rate" in the world is

[PaulRevere08]

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so sickening. I decided to compare the US numbers to Europes. Europe is comprised of 48 countries with a landmass about the same size as the US although their population is about 2.25x that of the US. Ok, so large places, big populations, and as many different countries as we have states. You would think that with the greater population density and the challenges of trying to co-ordinate responses being much harder across 48 countries than a single one - Europes death rate would be higher.


But:

Europe 285 deaths per million
USA 594 deaths per million

Our rate is TWICE what it is in Europe (and rising). These numbers reflect 100% of the failure of tRump and his administration to take the needed steps to protect our citizens.

[RKP5637]

1. It is Trump's and his cohort's plan to cull the US population. Everything is working to

plan and Trump is proud of it.

[Midnightwalk]

2. We are 11th worst in death rate out of 214

countries and territories and other places listed on worldofmeters. I like that site because you can sort by any column such as cases/million or deaths/million or new cases, etc.

[link:https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries|]

Trump always lies.

[Permanut]

3. As reported by Don Lemon yesterday..

Projection of deaths Wednesday if adjusted for population:

France 171

Italy 76

Spain 237

United States 1,206

So if Mango Mussolini says we have the "best" death rate, he must be proud of having the highest number.

[gristy]

4. Certainly he knows exactly how it sounds when he says we have the "best" death rate.

Saying it that way is intentional, as are the deaths themselves.

[2naSalit]

7. That seems to be how he sees it. ...nt

[CaptYossarian]

15. Are these the real numbers or the ones they've been reporting?

[SammyWinstonJack]

20. He is and His Deplorables are clueless. He's a psychopath.

[TheRealNorth]

5. It might be even worse

Median age in Europe (especially Western Europe) is a little higher than the U.S., which means it has an older population, which would be at higher risk of dying d/t COVID-19. If you did did an age-adjustment or standardization of the death rate, I suspect we would look even worse.

[yonder]

6. +1.

[Pobeka]

8. You meant 285, and 594 deaths per milliion.

If the USA has approx 340 million population then deaths/million = ~200,000/340, so you can see it's a couple order magnitude greater.

But your main point still stands. The USA response is not just embarassing, it's immoral.

[LymphocyteLover]

10. I just posted that but didn't see yours...

[PaulRevere08]

12. Thanks for the catch and I fixed the decimal point.

I was just so angry after listening to that POS.

[LymphocyteLover]

9. I'm confused how we got to 200,000 deaths with 6 deaths per million people

that would give us only 2100 deaths

Do you mean 5.94 per 10,000?

[ProfessorGAC]

14. Statista Shows 584.52 Per Million

That stat in the OP must be per 10k, because it's 1% of actual.

[KS Toronado]

21. You're correct, 5.94 per 10,000 or 594.0 per 1,000,000

It' easy to get confused with numbers & %'s , why politicians use them all the time.

[Illumination]

11. The bottom line is that he's murdering us!...

[ProfessorGAC]

13. Per Statista, There Are...

...9 countries with a higher deaths/million population.
Their listing has 150 entries. So there are 140 countries (93.333% of all countries) with a superior death rate to the US.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

[Crunchy Frog]

16. We've just surpassed Italy. Really impressive.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

17. tRump just says shit and his cult figure out some kind of rationalization for him

like "US has best death rate on Tuesdays for people between ages 40 and 50".

[KS Toronado]

18. When looking at China & her neighbors the death rate comparison get worse.......

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Taken from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries (9/11/20 2:00pm)

Rank.....................Deaths per million population

#1.......USA----------594
#39.....China-----------3
#76.....S Korea---------7
#124...Thailand--------0.8
#162...Vietnam--------0.4
#174...Taiwan----------0.3
#183...Cambodia------0.0
#205...Laos------------0.0

Taiwan has 1 death per 3,403,600 people, we have 594 per 1 million. And when you consider
the coronavirus started in China and there's 38 countries with more cases now, how did that happen?
I believe China's neighbors listened to and watched what China was doing to control the spread.
Not only did they mask-up, social distance, etc, they take a lot of temperatures in public.
Why in the hell can't we as a nation learn from what's working so well in other countries?

[LisaL]

19. Maybe by best he means the highest?

NT

[Bernardo de La Paz]

22. A big reason US rate so bad is systemic racism in healthcare: no sick days, symptoms dismissed, etc

The death rate for people of colour is higher than for whites. The reason is systemic racism: "death by a thousand cuts".

* PoC are less likely to have paid sick days, so they work with other PoC when ill
* With no paid sick days, they don't seek treatment as often or as early
* When they do, their symptoms are more likely to be dismissed or deprecated
. . . because HC providers think they are less smart
. . . ... or think the PoC is running some kind of con
. . . ... or think the PoC is a hypochondriac, etc.
. . . ... or doesn't speak English as well so are exaggerating
* When admitted, they get worse treatment
. . . they have less access to HC advocates outside the hospital on their behalf
. . . they are seen as not as important as some other white person
. . . they suffer badly from triage for ventilators or expensive treatments
. . . ... they, as perhaps a trucker or warehouse guy are thought of as expendable compared to lawyers and executives and occupations more commonly populated with whites

And on and on it goes.

If there is just 1% worse treatment at, say, 1 out every 10 decision/action points, or 50 out of 500 points on the way to death or near-death, each point is undetectable as an incident of racism, but they accumulate by multiplication. 1% is really 99% reversed in probability analysis, and they are multiplied out, so it is 0.99 x 0.99 x 0.99 ... = 0.99 raised to the power of 50 = 0.6050. Reverse that back by subtracting from 1.0 and the result is that they get 40% WORSE treatment overall.

Death by 50 cuts. Not even a thousand.