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gristy

(10,667 posts)
1. "And Joe Biden still hasn't said the word fascism"
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 11:10 AM
Sep 2020

- Thom Hartman

I think he makes some very good points. Thanks for posting!

 

BernieBabies

(78 posts)
3. very good
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 11:52 AM
Sep 2020

Reagan weakened the middle class.
Trumpism is destroying society.
Next comes fascism.

Good perspective on this shit-show.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
5. Calling Trump or Trump supporters fascists would have no effect on his supporters
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 01:18 PM
Sep 2020

Calling Biden and Biden supporters socialists has no effect on his supporters.

These labels are too shopworn to be effective. Nazi might have more impact, but fascism is less well understood and has been actively supported. The US was allied with Generalissimo Franco's Spain. Britain and France were OK with Mussolini until he went to war with Ethiopia. But their objection was more about Italy starting to compete with them for colonies in Africa than about his political philosophy. And recently, we've allied ourselves with numerous South American governments which were arguably fascist, e.g. Pinochet's Chile.

ffr

(22,665 posts)
6. This will not work. They say democrats are facists. They aren't even open-minded.
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 01:23 PM
Sep 2020

They use the word without knowing the meaning, a constant problem with republicans, they don't know the definitions of the words they use.

In order for a word to have meaning, you'll also have to explain the definition of fascism and then apply it to what tRump and the GOP are doing. Just using the F word will otherwise fall into he-said she-said territory and you'll get nowhere. And you'll only break through to a fascist if they are open-minded enough to listen. They are not open-minded, otherwise they wouldn't be fascists.

No, the only way to attack fascism is to minimalize it, vote it out of power. Focus your effort on that.

Definition: A form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.

Robert O. Paxton: “Hatred of the left in all its guises, from the most tepid to the most outré, is thus not incidental to fascism; it is at its core. The fascist route to power has always been passed through cooperation with conservative elites; without the acquiescence or even active assent of the traditional elites [fascists] could never have attained power.”

“Fascist regimes had to produce an impression of driving momentum—‘permanent revolution.’ They could not survive without that headlong, inebriating rush forward.” [This] “deliberate arousal of expectations of dynamism, excitement, momentum, and risk” was “inherent to fascism’s appeal.”

“Fascism does not require a spectacular 'march' on some capital to take root; seemingly anodyne decisions to tolerate lawless treatment of national 'enemies' is enough.”

“The truth was whatever permitted the new fascist man (and woman) to dominate others. . . . It was the unquestioning zeal of the faithful that counted, more than his or her reasoned assent.”

Kid Berwyn

(14,789 posts)
8. Fox and Fiends would crap a swastika.
Sun Sep 13, 2020, 01:31 PM
Sep 2020

Biden would set them all straight, especially the Roger Stone cheerleaders who call for martial law if/when Drumpf loses.

Speaking up NOW will save Joe Biden and the 600 lawyers a lot of work later.

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