Will you believe the numbers if Trump re-elected?

[zanana1]

I already know that I won't. I think the election is going to be enough of a clusterfrig for Trump to declare victory.

[RainCaster]

1. I don't believe them now

[abqtommy]

11. That's right. The numbers from 2016 show that tRUMP lost the election but won the ratfucking.

I expect more of the same here in 2020 concerning all number reporting.

[Polybius]

19. You don't believe that Trump is down by 9?

Or you don't believe that his approval rating is 43%?

[Takket]

2. He can declare anything he wants. Doesn't mean anything

He’ll scream and stomp his feet but as long as Biden gets 270 certified votes it is over. I’m sure there will be a bazillion lawsuits but Biden will eventually win.

[Amishman]

3. If it is a repeat of 2016's patterns, possibly. Winning by more? no way.

Liiving in a red rural area makes it obvious every time I go out the depth of Trump's support around here. Its worse than 2016 with the Trump flags and signs.

I will not believe him winning the popular vote, the only way I see it being remotely possible is the same kind of very narrow win in the rust belt, carried by high turnout and margin rural areas.

That being said, I don't expect to have to think about that. I firmly believe Biden will win this comfortably by at minimum reclaiming MI and PA. (Though PA will be close).

[Claustrum]

5. Agreed. I could see Biden losing PA and lose in a close EV race

Something like winning all Hillary's states + WI + MI and maybe AZ but still short for the magic 270 EV number.

I am not saying Trump will win because the polling still favors Biden. But I could still possibly see that result.

[Demsrule86]

15. Biden is not losing PA first of all. He will kill Trump in the Philly suburbs.

Secondly, this is not 2016.

[Demsrule86]

4. Please stop. I am so sick of these sort of posts. Trump is losing and badly...why continue with

posts like this. Trump is going to lose...I believe on election night Biden will be declared the winner. Trump is a shitty guy who barely won last time and has less support this time....the states that gave him the win all have GOP governors this time...he is going to lose.

[Stuart G]

6. Yes, Demsrule86 is totally correct. Trump is going to lose. I will add, Trump will lose badly.

[Demsrule86]

13. Thank you Stuart...aren't things bad enough without the constant what if Trump wins?

He is a third rate pol and a failure at everything he ever tried...he barely won last time...and he is going to lose.

[Laelth]

7. Nope.

But I will accept the numbers because I respect the system. If the Secretary of State of California certifies a vote count that says 2 million voted for Biden while 15 million voted for Trump in California, I will accept that judgment, even though I strongly believe that it’s a lie.

So long as states remain supreme over federal elections, no matter how corrupt those states may be, then I will feel like our basic system is secure and working as it should. I would resist and greatly fear federalizing our elections. I will accept the word of the states that the vote counts that their governments submit are accurate (even if I strongly believe that they are inaccurate). That’s how, as I understand it, our system is designed to work.

-Laelth

[beachbumbob]

8. I see no way that will be possible, if numbers are changed by hacking, that will be noticeable

and easily verified in states that have paper ballot trail to do a hand recount and hand tabulation.

[dawg]

9. It depends.

If the election were held today, I'd not be willing to believe a Trump victory in any of the key Midwest battleground states (or Pennsylvania). The polling has just been too consistent up to now.

I don't have any expectations when it comes to Florida, other than the fact that it would be a death-blow for Trump if Biden pulls it out.

If Fox News (correctly) calls Florida for Biden on election night, it will save the nation weeks of chaos and misery.

[BigmanPigman]

10. I expect delays.

As long as everyone's vote is counted correctly and double checked by non partisans and verified than I will.

[Binkie The Clown]

12. The Soviet Union collapsed abruptly, unexpectedly, and completely.

The reality is that the same thing could happen here.

[Demsrule86]

14. Sure...thanks for your concern...no really. I am sure this positive message is appreciated...

[Binkie The Clown]

16. Realism is seldom appreciated.

[zanana1]

18. So true.

[ecstatic]

17. Of course not, we're watching them undermine our electoral process

in real time!! People are naively focused on polls which don't matter one bit when you have a president, senate majority leader and attorney general who are desperate to stay in power (to avoid prison). The fact that they are willing to destroy crucial infrastructure, including the USPS, shows how ruthless they are.

Meanwhile, our side continues to follow norms, which lends credibility to the process and indicates consent with everything that's going on in the background. The decision to debate tRump further normalizes and legitimizes a very abnormal election in which the GOP has refused to provide funding for mail-in voting and the sitting president has urged his supporters to vote TWICE, among other things.

[SoonerPride]

20. Nope.

If he is declared "winner" then I will believe mail in ballots were deliberately stolen ("lost&quot or that Russians hacked voting machines and literally changed votes.

I don't think he won in 2016.

[zanana1]

22. I don't think he won in 2016 either.

[Yeehah]

21. Hell to the no

National general strike time in that unlikely event.