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Leslie Allen Jordan recently told this story as a tribute to his addiction sponsor who had passed away. The sponsor used this phrase to remind Leslie that when you continually do the same negative thing, you get the same result.
So, lets learn.
Never trust a Republican. Lets say that again, please. NEVER trust a Republican. One more time, please. NEVER TRUST A REPUBLICAN!!!
So, dont console yourself that Romney or Collins or Graham or Murkowski may stand up and go against party as to the nomination of RBGs successor. Hopefully, they will grow a conscience and do the right thing.
But you cannot trust them to do it because they are Republicans. If they had a moral compass, they would not be a Republican.
Stove. Hot. Ouch!!!
Hugin
(33,112 posts)they really want to pander to us for our votes.
Because, you see, they think we're stupid. Don't be stupid.
BComplex
(8,029 posts)You nailed it.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Well said!
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Ive unfortunately always found that to be true.
Rebl2
(13,485 posts)Proud liberal 80
(4,167 posts)hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)I think he may have an inkling of a conscience but hes still a Republican.
2naSalit
(86,515 posts)Senator 47% sees us much like -45 does so never give him the benefit of the doubt. His performance in the Senate impeachment trial was a blip, see it as such and go forth knowing better than to ever trust him with important decisions. I have been watching him for a long time and this is factual throughout his history.
KS Toronado
(17,189 posts)2naSalit
(86,515 posts)He wouldn't have done it if it really would have changed things.
Polybius
(15,373 posts)They didn't like him all that much in 2012 either. Some held their nose to vote for him, but many stayed home or voted 3rd Party. He'd get clobbered by Tucker Carlson in 2024, that's how crazy the base is now.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,165 posts)Of course, they don't see their own Trump worshipping behavior as cult like at all.
dmr
(28,347 posts)A bunch of miserable hypocrites.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Both show he has about as much empathy as Trump does.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Mr. 47 Percent?
Texin
(2,594 posts)Every single one of these weasels will fall in line with Moscow Mitch. They've proven over and over and over again that they will only fall in lock step to keep their power.
Oh, and the notion that Dems will add seats on the bench can just as easily be accomplished by rethugs as Dems. When they get that super majority on the SCOTUS, as they will - and soon - they can do the exact same thing. There are NEVER political *consequences* for rethugs.
kentuck
(111,076 posts)We know there are no profiles in courage in the Republican Party.
wryter2000
(46,032 posts)For some in states where Trump is hugely unpopular, defying Turtleman may be in their best interest. If I were Susan Collins, Id be all over this to show my independence from Trump.
2naSalit
(86,515 posts)and stab you in the brain when it comes down to the vote, or even speaking out. She is totally owned by the groupthink and will never do anything to cast a shadow on their agenda.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Same M.O.
Stove. Hot. OUCH!!!
wryter2000
(46,032 posts)And her constituents greeted her with applause at the airport. This could be her best shot to save her Senate seat. She's in trouble now because of just the behavior you mentioned. She would only have to say we should hold up the appointment until after the election. Murkowski already has said that.
2naSalit
(86,515 posts)Rmoney's impeachment performance.
wryter2000
(46,032 posts)Why should I?
Bettie
(16,086 posts)because some people seem to have a hard time wrapping their minds around this simple fact.
They are not to be trusted, if there are two options, one benign and one that is cruel, they will choose cruelty each and every time. If there is one option that builds and one that destroys, they will choose destruction every time.
Why is that so hard for people to see?
Is it doom and gloom to see clearly what is happening around us?
Remember, these are the same people who, when it looked like Clinton would win declared that she would never get SCOTUS pick.
Remember, these are the people who kept a record number of judicial vacancies throughout Obama's terms so that they could stack the courts with unqualified right wingers the second they had the power to do so. And they have.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)I'm really sick and tired of all of the cheerleaders here. I deal in reality. And reality sucks right now. That doesn't mean I'm rolling over and giving up. It means I'm ready to fight to the death because of it.
You cannot described a negative situation without being negative. You cannot and should not sugarcoat the truth. We all lived through 2016 and we know that Trump is Putin's puppet and that he's going to cheat any way he can. Hell, I believe every Republican alive is capable of that to get what they want.
I don't trust polls. We made THAT mistake in 2016. Saying that I don't shouldn't be an excuse for anyone to give up and not go vote, yet I've been told that is what happens - been told that on DU. If Biden is ahead, then I'm elated, but I won't trust anything until he's sworn in on January 20th. Anyone else who doesn't understand that doesn't have the same understanding of 2016. I'd rather think that Biden is behind and make sure EVERYONE goes to vote.
mountain grammy
(26,614 posts)while Eisenhower was president..she was OK with Ike, but Nixon really grated on her and then came Joe McCarthy. She said, never trust Republicans..
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)A rancher who had lived through the Great Depression. Until the day he died, I watched him eat his good fast at meals, and that stemmed from the fact that when he was young, if you waited, you might not have anything to eat.
He always said that Democrats were the party of the people and Republicans were the party of the rich. He would go on to say that it always had been that way and always will be.
He died in 2010 at the age of 95. He wasn't wrong then and he's not been wrong since.
No quarter!
mountain grammy
(26,614 posts)Mom only made it to 77. Lost her in 1988.
Your dad got to see Obama elected.. How my mom would have loved that..
And they were 100% right..
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)I miss him every day as Im sure you do your mom.
Illumination
(2,458 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Cory Gardner, Susan Collins, LadyG, Lisa Murkowski...
They're the ones scared shitless of losing their seats. Lean on them hard.
2naSalit
(86,515 posts)He wants to sell off public lands, privatize the national parks and start drilling and chopping down forests so the cows can graze them. Oh and then there the coal mining.
Steve Bullock, his opponent, can use some help to get over the MOE. So don't forget to help Montana or we'll start hearing about how we have too many senators again.
Never trust a Republican.
No more harshly worded letters from Dems.
No more empty threats from Dems
No more broadcasting what we might do
JUST DO IT
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Certainly no expectation that Collins will do the right thing.
2naSalit
(86,515 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)BlueJac
(7,838 posts)Never trust them
johnthewoodworker
(694 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)TNNurse
(6,926 posts)KatyMan
(4,189 posts)People often make the mistake of thinking republicans are decent, moral people that will do the right thing. They aren't. They are craven, unprincipled cowards who think of nothing but money and power, leading a rabble of ignorant syncophants.
BigmanPigman
(51,584 posts)lark
(23,083 posts)So a few (Collins, specifically) will vote against the repug because if she doesn't she is out of a job and power & money are the only things repugs actually care about but there won't be enough to stop the candidate is my fear. So, we need to work our asses off to get folks to vote for Biden and other D's and hope we can pull off a miracle and win all 3 branches and stop the rw fascist roll. Otherwise, we will lose so much we care about, even our lives through this assholes push for herd immunity.
live love laugh
(13,096 posts)hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Appreciate your response. Hope you are well and safe.
CTyankee
(63,901 posts)NoRoadUntravelled
(2,626 posts)Republicans cannot be trusted. They've proven that again and again. If anyone is lulled into believing otherwise just because the lies may be coming out of a different face, then it's on the ones being deceived.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Thank you for your response. We must learn not to forget this when the honey talk is dripping from their mouths.
Be safe!
martouf
(32 posts)Remember that Steve Schmidt, George Conway, and all the others who are against Trump are still Republicans.
As soon as a guy (yes, guy - not woman) they like is back in power they will be back to their usual policies. They will be back to trying to take away health care, Social Security, and Medicare. They will be back to making corporations more powerful and individual workers into serfs. They will be back to depressing wages and benefits in favor of profits.
They may, temporarily, be our allies in the fight against Trump, but they are not our friends nor kindred spirits. They will be our enemies again soon enough.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Use them for what we can get from them because thats what they do to us. They are only backing Biden because they hate Trump. As long as it benefits our cause, thats great. But never forget who they are.
GopherGal
(2,008 posts)and "attaboys" for denouncing Dirty Donnie.
But they won't get my monetary support for fear that once we defeat His Grotesqueness they'll take their resources and train their guns once again on the disadvantaged, women, minorities, and working people.
safeinOhio
(32,663 posts)red places.
Vote Blue.
dalton99a
(81,433 posts)LakeArenal
(28,813 posts)Lots of folks here love Steve Schmidt and Nicole Wallace. That Navarro woman on the View is a Republican.
We better learn to work with some Republicans.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)We can work with them when they are willing to respect us and make reasonable compromise. But we just cant turn our backs on them.
live love laugh
(13,096 posts)Democrats have attempted to negotiate, turned against our own (crucified Bill Clinton) when Republicans dont--weve practically bent over backwards and each concession on our part has been an encroachment on the part of Republicans. They never let up and wont until they have total dominance.
Theyre ruthless and what we better learn is not to be pushovers in the face of ruthlessness.
LakeArenal
(28,813 posts)Hopefully theres a new US coming.
I actually want people to stop sounding like hateful Republican. Become the US everyone says we are.
Pretty tired of the doom and gloom. We all gonna die stuff. Life sucks right now. Agreed. But all signs point to a great new US.
This giving up hope shit is exactly want the Pukes want to hear. We sound just like them.
live love laugh
(13,096 posts)LakeArenal
(28,813 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)That basically sums it up.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Thanks for responding. Hope you are safe and well.