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Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:34 PM

Signs of an 'October vaccine surprise' alarm scientists


Signs of an 'October vaccine surprise' alarm scientists
Such a move could further erode public trust in a vaccine and foist an unsafe shot on Americans.
Sept. 21, 2020, 1:53 PM EDT / Updated Sept. 21, 2020, 3:35 PM EDT
By Liz Szabo and JoNel Aleccia | Kaiser Health News


President Donald Trump, who seems intent on announcing a Covid-19 vaccine before Election Day, could legally authorize a vaccine over the objections of experts, officials at the Food and Drug Administration and even vaccine manufacturers, who have pledged not to release any vaccine unless itís proved safe and effective.

In podcasts, public forums, social media and medical journals, a growing number of prominent health leaders say they fear that Trump ó who has repeatedly signaled his desire for the swift approval of a vaccine and his displeasure with perceived delays at the FDA ó will take matters into his own hands, running roughshod over the usual regulatory process.

The worries intensified over the weekend, after Alex Azar, the administrationís secretary of Health and Human Services, asserted his agencyís rule-making authority over the FDA. The fear is that Trump's pressure on the HHS could influence the speed of an authorization. HHS spokesperson Caitlin Oakley said Azarís decision had no bearing on the vaccine approval process.

An intervention in the process would signal another injection of politics into a sensitive public health decision by the norm-breaking Trump administration. Trump has repeatedly contradicted the advice of senior scientists on Covid-19 while pushing controversial treatments for the disease.


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https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/signs-october-vaccine-surprise-alarm-scientists-n1240617

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Reply Signs of an 'October vaccine surprise' alarm scientists (Original post)
babylonsister Sep 21 OP
SergeStorms Sep 21 #1
Blue_true Sep 21 #5
PSPS Sep 21 #6
SergeStorms Sep 22 #12
Ilsa Sep 21 #2
fleabiscuit Sep 22 #11
Blue_true Sep 21 #3
kysrsoze Sep 21 #4
Blue_true Sep 21 #7
OAITW r.2.0 Sep 21 #8
Iliyah Sep 21 #9
napi21 Sep 21 #10
Walleye Sep 22 #13
Midnight Writer Sep 22 #14
Initech Sep 22 #15
Disaffected Sep 22 #16
mjvpi Sep 22 #17
Duppers Sep 22 #19
Demobrat Sep 22 #18
Duppers Sep 22 #20

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:39 PM

1. Does the orange asshat have a legal right to do that?

These pharmaceutical companies are private corporations, not government agencies. How can he order a private corporation to release a vaccine whenever he wants them to? Does he have a legal right to do that, and who in their right fucking mind would ever let that stuff be injected into their bodies?

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #1)

Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:46 PM

5. He would invoke the Defense Production Act.

That essentially allows him to order targeted companies to make something that he deems in the national defense.

That is one reason why I hope that this country never again elect a corrupt, self-dealing person like Trump. He doesnít care how many people get harmed if he thinks that doing an act will benefit him.

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #1)

Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:47 PM

6. All the drug companies have liability immunity as part of the warp speed nonsense

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Response to PSPS (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 22, 2020, 12:16 AM

12. Oh yeah, forgot about that.

Get fat government contracts with no liability if everyone grows another nose out of their foreheads. It's the American way!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:41 PM

2. Trumps and Magats first.

I'd like to see the side effects in a 60 million person "sample".

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 22, 2020, 12:09 AM

11. +1

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:42 PM

3. If Trump does that, he will have only MAGATS behind him.

He loses everyone else. The signs have to be very strong that the vaccine will work for such a move to help him, absent that, he is stepping into a trap that overwhelmingly elects Joe Biden.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:42 PM

4. This will do nothing. 70% of the public doesn't trust him to deliver a working/safe vaccine.

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Response to kysrsoze (Reply #4)

Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:48 PM

7. I agree. Unless data for the vaccine is mega-strong, such a move

damages him, especially when people in the know start leaking information in the last couple weeks of the Fall campaign.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:51 PM

8. What would Putin do?

This.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:52 PM

9. Myself, hubby and family and friends will not be

an experiment. We all will not take the vaccine, period, zippo, nada.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Sep 21, 2020, 11:59 PM

10. The speed in authorization of a vaccine makes it i mpossible to know such

things like how long immunity might last per of there are any long term effects from the vaccine. Certainly scary for those who decide to try it. I'm not sure I'd try it. You
If you?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Sep 22, 2020, 12:27 AM

13. People won't have faith in the vaccine until President Biden approves it.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Sep 22, 2020, 12:28 AM

14. Don't worry. The vaccine will not be put out too soon. It is only the announcement that counts.

Trump has to announce before "that Special Day", as he himself said.

Once November 3rd has passed, nobody in the Administration is going to give a flying fuck about a vaccine.

It's just like The Wall.

Vaporware.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Sep 22, 2020, 12:39 AM

15. For the 10,000,000th time it's not a vaccine. That will backfire on him spectacularly.

Trump's base is largely anti-vaxxer and believes that the virus is a hoax. And there's no way most of us on this side would trust any medicine that Trump has to sell. So him touting a vaccine at this point will be a lose - lose situation for him.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Sep 22, 2020, 12:42 AM

16. Meh, just consider it a

Phase Four trial.

Wait a while and enjoy the outcome...

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Sep 22, 2020, 02:22 AM

17. Watch. Jared K will have negotiated a contract for the Russian vaccine.......

To be delivered in October. At 3 times the expected price of other vaccines. Paid for out of DHS money. Iím only being 50% sarcastic.

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Response to mjvpi (Reply #17)

Tue Sep 22, 2020, 02:37 AM

19. Very probable predictions.

No sarcasm necessary.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Sep 22, 2020, 02:34 AM

18. Only Trump humpers would take it

and they all think Covid is a hoax anyway.

So how does that work? Hereís a beautiful vaccine for a virus that doesnít exist?

Donít wear a mask, but do let us inject you with a vaccine we rushed to market to influence the election?

The virus is fake, but the vaccine is real?

Are even Trump humpers really that dumb?

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Response to Demobrat (Reply #18)

Tue Sep 22, 2020, 02:38 AM

20. Yep.

Sadly.

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