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Blue Belle

(5,912 posts)
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 12:09 PM Sep 2012

Son of Fred Phelps speaks out about abusive father...

Source: Salon.com
By Dick Gordon

Son of a bigot

As the pastor of the much-reviled Westboro Baptist Church, Fred Phelps has become synonymous with hatred. The pastor and his family make it a point to carry signs at the funerals saying, “Thank God for Dead Soldiers.” They show up to media-friendly events with signs that read, “God Hates Fags.”

Nate Phelps is the sixth of Fred’s 13 children, and he has the scars to show for it. He describes his father as verbally and physically abusive. When he was 18, Nate ran away from home and from the fundamentalist Calvinist religion in which he was raised.

<SNIP> How did your father explain that to you? That you were one of God’s chosen ones and yet he could mistreat you?

He was able to justify using verses out of the Bible. That was a major criteria for him. If he could find an excuse for it, then it was OK to do it, because God gave him permission. As far as how he justified the idea that we were different from the rest of the world, he made much of the ideas that he found in the Bible about the nature of what God expected of us, that extreme Calvinist ideology that is at the cornerstone of their campaign. The fact that other groups had it wrong or got this or that doctrine wrong was proof that God didn’t find favor with them.

As far as the physical violence, that’s a fairly common idea that exists in fundamentalist Christianity, that the husband is the head of the house and has absolute authority — and has the right to bring his wife and children into submission if they aren’t.

And when you talk about the physical violence was it something that was spontaneous or routine? How do you remember?

It was both. I mean there were some things that you just knew if he found out about it there was gonna be trouble. There was also this tendency to explode without any warning and that actually was far more destructive in the long run because you just never knew, and that’s more terrifying than cause-and-effect.

Did he use his belt or a cane, what was his …?

When we were younger it was a barber strap. That thing got so shredded at the ends that it would wrap around the sides of our legs and tear the skin. It was kind of like a cat o’ nine tails. When I was about 8 or 9 he introduced us to a Mattock handle, which is a farming instrument or tool that you use to pull up roots, and it’s got an axe head on one end and a hoe head on the other end. It’s big. You know, take a baseball bat, add maybe 30 percent to that.

What, he’d have you bend over a chair or what did he do?

Yeah, and then he would beat us anywhere from the lower part of our back down to behind our knees and he swung it hard, he swung it like a baseball bat. And oftentimes what would happen is there would be eight or 10 strokes and then he would go into a 10- or 15-minute screaming session with what we were doing wrong and how it was defying God and that we were evil. You know all of these religious-based threats and insults to the children and then he’d go back to the beating and by then the skin has stretched tight from the damage. So the next blows would just split the skin and so you’d get blood.

Would your father choose to do this in front of your other brothers and sisters?

No, it was very public. It couldn’t help but be public because there was so much noise and ranting, everybody in the house knew that he was on a tear. And sometimes when it got really bad my mom would try to intervene and then he would go after her and beat her for that. He used all of these strategies that appeared to be very deliberate. He required the older boys to start administering the beatings themselves, and if they didn’t do it properly then they would get beat from him because they weren’t hitting hard enough or doing it as he would do it. And that was kind of a pattern he used even with the passing on of the message that he taught. He didn’t just settle for making sure we knew it. He required us to present it the way he did. <SNIP>

<SNIP>Were you obliged to be a part of the public protests he would do, whether it was picketing funerals or homosexuals?

He didn’t start the “God hates fags” campaign until after I left. But throughout our childhood there was that inclination toward conflict with neighbors and community members, and he absolutely required of us, whatever form it took, as well as this putting the word out there that everybody in the world was going to hell, that had to be presented with the same kind of vitriolic fury that he did it, or then we’d end up getting in trouble if we weren’t vicious enough. Without a doubt you don’t have an option in that environment, and I’m quite certain that’s still the case that those kids that are out there, the young ones and even the teenagers, they’re not necessarily there because they want to be, they have to be there.<SNIP>


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Son of Fred Phelps speaks out about abusive father... (Original Post) Blue Belle Sep 2012 OP
"Freedom of religion" or -- Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2012 #1
And Fred needs to do some serious time, Jackpine Radical Sep 2012 #2
Nathan is a good guy. MuseRider Sep 2012 #3
Well, social services should definitely investigate that bastard. Zoeisright Sep 2012 #4
Powerful ismnotwasm Sep 2012 #5
He was back here a couple of years ago MuseRider Sep 2012 #6
That Fred Phelps is a real sob....nt raccoon Sep 2012 #7
Isn't Phred dead now? Bake Sep 2012 #13
Wikipedia says he's not. nt raccoon Sep 2012 #14
Must've been wishful thinking on my part! Bake Sep 2012 #15
After reading the full article, the part that really struck me... Blue Belle Sep 2012 #8
And my dad is sick at heart that we're not on speaking terms anymore. DCKit Sep 2012 #9
I'm sorry... Blue Belle Sep 2012 #10
Don't even think that! I've chosen my new family, people I love. DCKit Sep 2012 #11
Glad he escaped, I hope others do to. JNelson6563 Sep 2012 #12
 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
1. "Freedom of religion" or --
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 12:16 PM
Sep 2012

plain ol' child abuse? I think any remaining children need to be removed from that house ASAP.

MuseRider

(34,105 posts)
3. Nathan is a good guy.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 12:45 PM
Sep 2012

This is not the first time he has spoken.

I am just waiting for their next thing. The God Hates Soldiers and Thank God For IED's is not getting them what they want anymore. What could be next? Mark my word, it will be something because attention is waning.

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
4. Well, social services should definitely investigate that bastard.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 12:53 PM
Sep 2012

I just wish there was a hell so Fred Phelps would burn in it.

ismnotwasm

(41,975 posts)
5. Powerful
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 12:54 PM
Sep 2012

I love that there were Gay people reaching out to him, and he responded by thinking he could do some good, in spite of the damage his father causes.

MuseRider

(34,105 posts)
6. He was back here a couple of years ago
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 01:00 PM
Sep 2012

and spoke for us (KEC) and with us and participated in a rally.

Blue Belle

(5,912 posts)
8. After reading the full article, the part that really struck me...
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 02:02 PM
Sep 2012

was that his son was so want to get away from Fred Phelps that he slept on the floor of a gas station bathroom for 3 days. Seriously. The owners would loack him in there at night. Now think about the last gas station bathroom you were in...

That poor man. I'm so glad he didn't let anger overtake him (unlike his dad) and has moved on to do better things with his life.

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
9. And my dad is sick at heart that we're not on speaking terms anymore.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 03:43 PM
Sep 2012

The religiously fundamental don't only hate empowered women.

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
11. Don't even think that! I've chosen my new family, people I love.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 04:10 PM
Sep 2012

What's left behind is not as important as what I've got. I guess I miss that, but my new family is more important to me and my S.O. is a rock.

When we're through with the current estate issues, I'm going to shed a few more siblings, and I don't think I'll find that at all difficult.

You're right in that it shouldn't have to happen, but it does. I would love to have them all around for traditional Xmases, but the majority have become teabaggers and I can't take listening to their B.S. for more than a minute or so. If they were grown up enough to admit their racism and homophobia, I could probably get over it, but they can't. Obama is the root of all evil, and they won't say why they feel that way.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
12. Glad he escaped, I hope others do to.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 04:23 PM
Sep 2012

Though I know first hand, not all of us escape hell so successfully.

While my mom wasn't as creative with the weaponry (when we were really little wooden spoons worked until we got smart enough to give them to the dog to chew up & belts were for as we got a bit older) she was vicious.

Of course most of the nightmare stuff didn't go on while my dad was around which is probably why I was so thrilled when he was home.

Sadly my brothers fared worse than I and one lives in the bottle and the other is on the junk.

Abuse costs society dearly, not to mention the victims.

Julie

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