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babylonsister

(170,962 posts)
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 07:53 AM Sep 2020

Trump Says Abraham Lincoln 'Wasn't Big' on Hispanics



https://politicalwire.com/2020/09/26/trump-says-abraham-lincoln-wasnt-big-on-hispanics/


Trump Says Abraham Lincoln ‘Wasn’t Big’ on Hispanics
September 26, 2020 at 7:49 am EDT By Taegan Goddard


President Trump said at a campaign rally Friday that Abraham Lincoln “wasn’t big on the Hispanic movement” in an apparent attempt to praise himself, the Daily Beast reports.

Said Trump: “We call them the ‘Latinos for Trump,’ where we are polling at numbers that I guess no Republican has ever polled at before, perhaps, Abraham Lincoln. But in those days, he wasn’t big into the Hispanic movement, I think. He had other things to think about.”
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Trump Says Abraham Lincoln 'Wasn't Big' on Hispanics (Original Post) babylonsister Sep 2020 OP
The sad thing is that this isn't from "The Onion." GoCubsGo Sep 2020 #1
That is what makes it even sadder PatSeg Sep 2020 #44
I saw that headline and the pop I was drinking sported out my nose rurallib Sep 2020 #2
Okay - a second read is even funnier - That Crazy Uncle Donny! rurallib Sep 2020 #3
He really is a dense shit. n/t Guilded Lilly Sep 2020 #4
The American Society for Dense S**t will takes issue with you.. Stuart G Sep 2020 #37
Haha haha! Bravo :) Guilded Lilly Sep 2020 #62
as if he knows ANY history spanone Sep 2020 #5
"as if he knows ANY history" Botany Sep 2020 #7
This can not be real. Even Trump isn't this stupid. Botany Sep 2020 #6
He thought there were airports during the revolution so yeah, he is that stupid. Demsrule86 Sep 2020 #9
Don't forget that Churchill stood onto of buildings in London in WW II during German bombing raids Botany Sep 2020 #14
Been there. Well worth the visit! tavernier Sep 2020 #34
Agreed... still have the book I bought there. whistler162 Sep 2020 #54
Been there and it's amazing! MoonRiver Sep 2020 #43
They used to have it all surrounded with sandbags Historic NY Sep 2020 #52
Thank you for posting this Chili Sep 2020 #61
He said wind turbines caused cancer. sarge43 Sep 2020 #23
Before it turned to mush... BKDem Sep 2020 #38
In this case, Loco Puffs. CaptYossarian Sep 2020 #42
Lincoln also wasn't big into ... NanceGreggs Sep 2020 #8
Haaaaaaaaa!!! Perfect. nt Ilsa Sep 2020 #29
Lincoln also wasn't big on grabbing women by the pussy, mocking the disabled, Tanuki Sep 2020 #32
It's sad that we have a President who makes LuvNewcastle Sep 2020 #10
Lincoln opposed the Mexican War while a U S Congressman Tanuki Sep 2020 #11
+1 Botany Sep 2020 #15
Absolutely correct Yeehah Sep 2020 #22
history. it's a thing. ihas2stinkyfeet Sep 2020 #46
Thank you. nt crickets Sep 2020 #47
OMG! Biden is going to have fun at the debates! Frustratedlady Sep 2020 #12
You can lead a horse to water. sarge43 Sep 2020 #25
He couldn't lead a horticulture, CaptYossarian Sep 2020 #45
Oh hell, where are the DUzy Awards when we need them. sarge43 Sep 2020 #51
Now I'm in her Round Table? CaptYossarian Sep 2020 #55
I'd say that snark earned you a place n/t sarge43 Sep 2020 #57
Thanks again. CaptYossarian Sep 2020 #59
Brain cells worldwide sigh in unison. Solly Mack Sep 2020 #13
Yes, I do believe those were Lincoln 's exact words too. BigmanPigman Sep 2020 #16
This was from The Onion, yes???? Please tell me this was The Onion. niyad Sep 2020 #17
Lincoln wasn't popular in Alaska and Hawaii either. milestogo Sep 2020 #18
And he never received a moonscape Sep 2020 #60
And educated people vote for this stupid shit.... Ohiogal Sep 2020 #19
I wonder if Trump knows any other presidents outside of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and Yavin4 Sep 2020 #20
He admires Andrew Jackson, who would have despised him. Despite Tanuki Sep 2020 #39
Because he's on a 20 dollar bill... Historic NY Sep 2020 #53
I saw this as an effort to divide Latino voters from Black voters. Ramsey Barner Sep 2020 #21
I'm sure Donald Dumbass thinks he is having in depth conversations with Lincoln's portrait too. WyattKansas Sep 2020 #24
as his cultists drool and cheer barbtries Sep 2020 #26
My gawd that man is stupid... dixiechiken1 Sep 2020 #27
And his cultish followers cheered Demovictory9 Sep 2020 #28
It makes me sick that people listen to this vile tripe Martin Eden Sep 2020 #30
The Hispanic Movement? In 1862? Who was that, Santa Anna? bucolic_frolic Sep 2020 #31
"He had other things to think about" packman Sep 2020 #33
Lincoln wasn't big on big orange assholes. That was in the Gettsburg address Miigwech Sep 2020 #35
Translation: "I'm better than Abraham Lincoln." chriscan64 Sep 2020 #36
Little known fact: Mary Todd Lincoln invented Taco Tuesday Blue Owl Sep 2020 #40
His idiotic comment aside, this is more desperation.... paleotn Sep 2020 #41
He's not stupid. C'mon already sheeeesh. Jetheels Sep 2020 #48
He is disgusting marieo1 Sep 2020 #49
We know Lincoln hated MS-13 but loved the Cubans in Florida dalton99a Sep 2020 #50
Well, Lincoln wasn't really into the Mexican American war... haele Sep 2020 #56
"Latinos for Lincoln!" Totally Tunsie Sep 2020 #58
The stupid! It hurts! Poiuyt Sep 2020 #63
and I bet bdamomma Sep 2020 #64

GoCubsGo

(32,061 posts)
1. The sad thing is that this isn't from "The Onion."
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 07:55 AM
Sep 2020

He really is that stupid. And, so are his cult followers.

PatSeg

(46,794 posts)
44. That is what makes it even sadder
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 10:42 AM
Sep 2020

His followers will hear what they want to hear. Many may not even notice the mistakes he makes, like they are on the same wavelength. I think he can say pretty much anything and they'll still support him.

rurallib

(62,346 posts)
2. I saw that headline and the pop I was drinking sported out my nose
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 07:55 AM
Sep 2020

That is the funniest thing I have read in a long time



Stuart G

(38,359 posts)
37. The American Society for Dense S**t will takes issue with you..
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 10:19 AM
Sep 2020

...We as a society, admire and respect shit of all sizes, shapes, and composures.. Of course we strongly
admire..."Dense Shit" because it is our favorite. Nevertheless, as our society looks around at present
conditions of the U.S.A., we want to take a moment to point out that in no way, shape or form does our
society want to be associated with ...."Donald Trump." While it is agreed that Trump is horrible, and
ugly, we want to make sure you understand that "dense shit" has a purpose, a reason to exist, and followers of all kinds. Calling Trump, "dense shit" is an insult to our society and our members. Please in the future, use some other term. Maybe "useless garbage" will do, but then you may have to talk with
"The Society that Admires All Garbage." ............................. ... ..

Botany

(70,291 posts)
6. This can not be real. Even Trump isn't this stupid.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 08:07 AM
Sep 2020

" ... he wasn’t big into the Hispanic movement, ..."

Lincoln's, "polling numbers"




Drugs and tertiary syphilis has turned his brain into mush

Botany

(70,291 posts)
14. Don't forget that Churchill stood onto of buildings in London in WW II during German bombing raids
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:04 AM
Sep 2020

'When Churchill was on the top of a building, and he said everything’s going to be good, everything’s going to be – be calm, and you have the Nazis dropping bombs all over London, he was very brave because he was at the top of a building,' Trump told ABC News' George Stephanopoulos.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8737509/Donald-Trump-claims-Winston-Churchill-not-honest-asked-people-London-calm.html

**********

Yes, Churchill stayed in London during the Blitz but during the air raids he went down into his War Room which
was a bunker not far from 10 Downing St.. The British had radar and when they saw nazi planes coming they
sounded the warning, scrambled the RAF, the people of England went underground (the tube in London),
and Churchill went to his bunker. This is in all the history books and if you go to London you can visit Churchill's
"War Room."





Chili

(1,725 posts)
61. Thank you for posting this
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 07:04 PM
Sep 2020

They are a brave people, and withstood those hideous attacks with courage.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
8. Lincoln also wasn't big into ...
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 08:10 AM
Sep 2020

... telephone canvassing, YouTube advertising, and soliciting campaign contributions via email.

What a dolt!

Tanuki

(14,893 posts)
32. Lincoln also wasn't big on grabbing women by the pussy, mocking the disabled,
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 10:10 AM
Sep 2020

and cheating on his wife. And he also WAS big on binding up the nation's wounds, preaching malice toward none and charity toward all, and reminding us that a house divided against itself cannot stand.

LuvNewcastle

(16,820 posts)
10. It's sad that we have a President who makes
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 08:15 AM
Sep 2020

ridiculous statements like this but what's really outrageous is that around 40% of the country can't even tell you what's wrong with what he said. After Trump's term is over, the Texas school book committee should hire him as a consultant writing American history books.

Tanuki

(14,893 posts)
11. Lincoln opposed the Mexican War while a U S Congressman
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 08:17 AM
Sep 2020

and later, as President, had a warm relationship with the Mexican government.


https://history.house.gov/Records-and-Research/Listing/lfp_037/

"Abraham Lincoln, Illinois Representative and future President, introduced this resolution in December 1847 to protest the U.S. war with Mexico. Although the United States admitted Texas as a state in 1845, the territory around the Rio Grande River along the border with Mexico continued to be disputed. On April 25, 1846, conflict between Mexican and U.S. troops erupted on land just north of the Rio Grande. President James K. Polk used the incident to justify hostilities with Mexico, declaring in his war message to Congress that Mexico had “invaded our territory and shed American blood upon America's soil.” Many Representatives disapproved, arguing that the war was a means to extend slavery in the United States by increasing slave-holding territory. Nonetheless, Congress voted to declare war on Mexico on May 13. In this document, Representative Lincoln questioned President Polk’s justification, asking “whether the particular spot of soil on which the blood of our citizens was so shed, was, or was not, our own soil.” Congress did not pursue Lincoln’s questions, and the war ended with the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848, and United States territorial expansion into what became New Mexico, Arizona, California, Nevada, Utah, and parts of Colorado and Wyoming."


https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/why-mexico-loved-lincoln-180962258/

"American historian Michael Hogan makes a bold claim. He says that Abraham Lincoln is in no small part responsible for the United States being blessed for many generations with an essentially friendly nation to the south—this despite a history that includes the United States annexation and conquest of Mexican territory from Texas to California in the 1840s, and the nations’ chronic border and immigration tensions. “Lincoln is revered in Mexico,” Hogan says. As evidence, he points to the commemorative statues of Lincoln in four major Mexican cities. The one in Tijuana towers over the city's grand boulevard, Paseo de los Héroes, while Mexico City's Parque Lincoln features a replica of sculptor Augustus Saint-Gardens' much admired Standing Lincoln, identical to the one in London's Parliament Square. (The original stands in Lincoln Park in Chicago.) These are commanding monuments, especially for a foreign leader.

In his 2016 study, Abraham Lincoln and Mexico: A History of Courage, Intrigue and Unlikely Friendships, Hogan points to several factors that elevated the United States’ 16th president in the eyes of Mexicans, in particular Lincoln’s courageous stand in Congress against the Mexican War, and his later support in the 1860s for democratic reformist Benito Juárez, who has at times been called the “Abraham Lincoln of Mexico.” Lincoln’s stature as a force for political equality and economic opportunity—and his opposition to slavery, which Mexico had abolished in 1829—made the American leader a sympathetic figure to the progressive followers of Juárez, who was inaugurated as president of Mexico in the same month and year, March 1861, as Lincoln.". ..(more at link)



Yeehah

(4,524 posts)
22. Absolutely correct
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:38 AM
Sep 2020

Thank you for posting. Lincoln was vehemently opposed to the Mexican War and considered it an unjustified act of U.S. aggression.

 

ihas2stinkyfeet

(1,400 posts)
46. history. it's a thing.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 10:48 AM
Sep 2020

thanks for the link. i sorta knew there was something going on w mexico at the time.
i knew custer fought in it before he took on the native americans.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
12. OMG! Biden is going to have fun at the debates!
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 08:18 AM
Sep 2020

Joe, just bring up history and you'll totally snow him.

For all his parents' wealth, too bad they couldn't buy him a good education.

sarge43

(28,939 posts)
25. You can lead a horse to water.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:46 AM
Sep 2020

You might able to get it to drink, but you can not get it to float on its back.

He has never been capable of taking advantage of any education. If it isn't about him or someone/thing he wants to be, it doesn't exist.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
55. Now I'm in her Round Table?
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 04:14 PM
Sep 2020

That's impressive. Thanks.

I'm only trying to be Abbie Hoffman or Groucho at this point.

Yavin4

(35,356 posts)
20. I wonder if Trump knows any other presidents outside of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:29 AM
Sep 2020

the more recent ones in his life time.

Tanuki

(14,893 posts)
39. He admires Andrew Jackson, who would have despised him. Despite
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 10:28 AM
Sep 2020

Jackson's many damning flaws, he fought valiantly in the War of 1812 and would have been repelled by 45's cowardice. The Washington Post also recently pointed out how Jackson's reaction to a pandemic (cholera) was far more enlightened than 45's.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/04/01/even-andrew-jackson-showed-more-leadership-than-donald-trump-pandemic/

"We knew the year 2020 would feature a U. S. presidential election. The pandemic was more of a surprise.

Yet these two events have occurred together before, most notably in 1832, when cholera reached the United States for the first time and Andrew Jackson captured a second term. Unsurprisingly, given the raucous nature of the Jacksonian era’s elections, the disease became a highly partisan issue. Perhaps surprisingly, however, it was Jackson, not his opponent, Henry Clay, who helped define modern leadership during a public health epidemic. By taking a secular approach to disease, Jackson’s actions validated the expertise of doctors and public health officials — lessons his successor in the White House today should heed.

Cholera occurs when humans accidentally consume the bacterium Vibrio cholerae, either by drinking tainted water or eating food grown or prepared with that water. Some people have a resistance to the bacterium, others a mild response. In the worst cases, however, infection results in disastrous torrents of diarrhea and vomiting, leading to dehydration and death. Originally from Asia, the bacterium followed routes of trade and empire out to the rest of the world in the early 19th century, resulting in four major pandemics: 1817-24, 1829-51, 1852-59, and 1860-75.

...
At the time, it was a standard and orthodox belief that any disease was divine punishment. Cholera was supposedly “a rod in the hand of God,” smiting the atheist, the sinner and the non-Protestant immigrant. The suffering was a rebuke and a call to repent. Individuals and communities were, accordingly, told to fast and pray. City officials and state governors received petitions from churches and citizens’ groups to enact days for public prayer and fasting, and many places complied, including at least 11 states.

Despite attempts to convince Jackson to declare a national day of fasting and prayer, he refused. In a widely reprinted letter of June 12, 1832, he agreed with “the efficacy of prayer” but stated that for the United States to have a national day devoted in any way to religion was “transcending the limits prescribed by the Constitution for the president,” a violation of the constitutional protection of freedom of religious belief, including lack of belief.

......

Jackson defied them, and because of that, encouraged growing public support for alternative solutions to epidemics. These included, for example, creating civic boards of health that, with doctors’ advice, would track contagion, disinfect public areas and declare and uphold quarantines. Not all these measures were appropriate against cholera, whose transmission was not yet well understood. But the shift toward secular and civic solutions to epidemics represented a trend that would eventually protect public health."...(more at link)



Ramsey Barner

(349 posts)
21. I saw this as an effort to divide Latino voters from Black voters.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:34 AM
Sep 2020

Looked at through Trump's warped vision, the statement makes a great deal of sense.

WyattKansas

(1,648 posts)
24. I'm sure Donald Dumbass thinks he is having in depth conversations with Lincoln's portrait too.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:43 AM
Sep 2020

He needs to be tied up and restrained at all times like Hannibal Lecter.

bucolic_frolic

(42,672 posts)
31. The Hispanic Movement? In 1862? Who was that, Santa Anna?
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 10:08 AM
Sep 2020

Someone should really get Trump up to speed with a viewing of Viva Max! He needs debate prep.

If Trump were smart I'd say this is posturing, playing dumb. Trump doesn't have to play dumb. Trump is dumb.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
33. "He had other things to think about"
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 10:11 AM
Sep 2020

And what would that be, Donald?

Come to think about it, I never heard of Abe eating tacos or refried beans.

chriscan64

(1,789 posts)
36. Translation: "I'm better than Abraham Lincoln."
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 10:19 AM
Sep 2020

Coming from an ignorant buffoon who doesn't know enough history to distinguish between Cinco de Mayo and Taco Tuesday.

paleotn

(17,778 posts)
41. His idiotic comment aside, this is more desperation....
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 10:38 AM
Sep 2020

For 4 years he's said time and again that they don't belong in this country. And his base wholeheartedly agrees. And NOW he's stumping for their votes? He's fucked and I think he know it.

 

Jetheels

(991 posts)
48. He's not stupid. C'mon already sheeeesh.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 10:59 AM
Sep 2020

Have you not realized by now from listening to his lucid, candid, clear, no slurring of speech, coherent, with excellent scientific understanding about COVID-19 on the Woodward tapes. That is the “real” trump, the rest is a charade. Fool me once.... His nutty “Onion” remarks are intentional, part of his act, to generate press, destroy truth, control the narrative, win over stupid voters. He loves the uneducated don’t you know by now. In fact he’s quite brilliant in what he’s saying here about Lincoln and Hispanics. In a sentence he’s rewriting history and will undoubtably swing some Hispanic votes his way. “He who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past”. Orwell.. He’s managed to live a life of crime without any major repercussions. Donnie has managed to bring American democracy within an inch of taking its last breath. Could a stupid person manage that?

marieo1

(1,402 posts)
49. He is disgusting
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 11:01 AM
Sep 2020

I don't believe one word DJT says.................he thinks and blurts out his mouth. He should just stop thinking, the whole country would be better off and would appreciate it if he just would shut up. He causes more trouble every time he opens his mouth. He is a liar, a troublemaker......WOW, I could go on and on. I have never hated a person in my life as much as I hate DJT. He is a disgusting piece of humanity. I wait for the day when someone makes him finally realize what a monster he is.......and how he is hated.

haele

(12,581 posts)
56. Well, Lincoln wasn't really into the Mexican American war...
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 04:29 PM
Sep 2020

So I guess maybe the Drumphf was almost close. Lincoln had quite a different border issue to be concerned with, anyway.

Haele

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