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https://politicalwire.com/2020/09/26/trump-says-abraham-lincoln-wasnt-big-on-hispanics/
Trump Says Abraham Lincoln Wasnt Big on Hispanics
September 26, 2020 at 7:49 am EDT By Taegan Goddard
Said Trump: We call them the Latinos for Trump, where we are polling at numbers that I guess no Republican has ever polled at before, perhaps, Abraham Lincoln. But in those days, he wasnt big into the Hispanic movement, I think. He had other things to think about.
GoCubsGo
(32,061 posts)He really is that stupid. And, so are his cult followers.
PatSeg
(46,794 posts)His followers will hear what they want to hear. Many may not even notice the mistakes he makes, like they are on the same wavelength. I think he can say pretty much anything and they'll still support him.
rurallib
(62,346 posts)That is the funniest thing I have read in a long time
rurallib
(62,346 posts)he's just nutz!
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)Stuart G
(38,359 posts)...We as a society, admire and respect shit of all sizes, shapes, and composures.. Of course we strongly
admire..."Dense Shit" because it is our favorite. Nevertheless, as our society looks around at present
conditions of the U.S.A., we want to take a moment to point out that in no way, shape or form does our
society want to be associated with ...."Donald Trump." While it is agreed that Trump is horrible, and
ugly, we want to make sure you understand that "dense shit" has a purpose, a reason to exist, and followers of all kinds. Calling Trump, "dense shit" is an insult to our society and our members. Please in the future, use some other term. Maybe "useless garbage" will do, but then you may have to talk with
"The Society that Admires All Garbage." ............................. ... ..
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)spanone
(135,633 posts)Botany
(70,291 posts)Like George Washington taking over the British airports?
Botany
(70,291 posts)" ... he wasnt big into the Hispanic movement, ..."
Lincoln's, "polling numbers"
Drugs and tertiary syphilis has turned his brain into mush
Demsrule86
(68,348 posts)Botany
(70,291 posts)'When Churchill was on the top of a building, and he said everythings going to be good, everythings going to be be calm, and you have the Nazis dropping bombs all over London, he was very brave because he was at the top of a building,' Trump told ABC News' George Stephanopoulos.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8737509/Donald-Trump-claims-Winston-Churchill-not-honest-asked-people-London-calm.html
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Yes, Churchill stayed in London during the Blitz but during the air raids he went down into his War Room which
was a bunker not far from 10 Downing St.. The British had radar and when they saw nazi planes coming they
sounded the warning, scrambled the RAF, the people of England went underground (the tube in London),
and Churchill went to his bunker. This is in all the history books and if you go to London you can visit Churchill's
"War Room."
tavernier
(12,322 posts)whistler162
(11,155 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)Chili
(1,725 posts)They are a brave people, and withstood those hideous attacks with courage.
sarge43
(28,939 posts)Yeah, he is that stupid.
BKDem
(1,733 posts)Donald's brain was Coco Puffs.
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)Besides, at 6-foot five, Lincoln was "big" on everyone.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... telephone canvassing, YouTube advertising, and soliciting campaign contributions via email.
What a dolt!
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)Tanuki
(14,893 posts)and cheating on his wife. And he also WAS big on binding up the nation's wounds, preaching malice toward none and charity toward all, and reminding us that a house divided against itself cannot stand.
LuvNewcastle
(16,820 posts)ridiculous statements like this but what's really outrageous is that around 40% of the country can't even tell you what's wrong with what he said. After Trump's term is over, the Texas school book committee should hire him as a consultant writing American history books.
Tanuki
(14,893 posts)and later, as President, had a warm relationship with the Mexican government.
https://history.house.gov/Records-and-Research/Listing/lfp_037/
"Abraham Lincoln, Illinois Representative and future President, introduced this resolution in December 1847 to protest the U.S. war with Mexico. Although the United States admitted Texas as a state in 1845, the territory around the Rio Grande River along the border with Mexico continued to be disputed. On April 25, 1846, conflict between Mexican and U.S. troops erupted on land just north of the Rio Grande. President James K. Polk used the incident to justify hostilities with Mexico, declaring in his war message to Congress that Mexico had invaded our territory and shed American blood upon America's soil. Many Representatives disapproved, arguing that the war was a means to extend slavery in the United States by increasing slave-holding territory. Nonetheless, Congress voted to declare war on Mexico on May 13. In this document, Representative Lincoln questioned President Polks justification, asking whether the particular spot of soil on which the blood of our citizens was so shed, was, or was not, our own soil. Congress did not pursue Lincolns questions, and the war ended with the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848, and United States territorial expansion into what became New Mexico, Arizona, California, Nevada, Utah, and parts of Colorado and Wyoming."
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/why-mexico-loved-lincoln-180962258/
"American historian Michael Hogan makes a bold claim. He says that Abraham Lincoln is in no small part responsible for the United States being blessed for many generations with an essentially friendly nation to the souththis despite a history that includes the United States annexation and conquest of Mexican territory from Texas to California in the 1840s, and the nations chronic border and immigration tensions. Lincoln is revered in Mexico, Hogan says. As evidence, he points to the commemorative statues of Lincoln in four major Mexican cities. The one in Tijuana towers over the city's grand boulevard, Paseo de los Héroes, while Mexico City's Parque Lincoln features a replica of sculptor Augustus Saint-Gardens' much admired Standing Lincoln, identical to the one in London's Parliament Square. (The original stands in Lincoln Park in Chicago.) These are commanding monuments, especially for a foreign leader.
In his 2016 study, Abraham Lincoln and Mexico: A History of Courage, Intrigue and Unlikely Friendships, Hogan points to several factors that elevated the United States 16th president in the eyes of Mexicans, in particular Lincolns courageous stand in Congress against the Mexican War, and his later support in the 1860s for democratic reformist Benito Juárez, who has at times been called the Abraham Lincoln of Mexico. Lincolns stature as a force for political equality and economic opportunityand his opposition to slavery, which Mexico had abolished in 1829made the American leader a sympathetic figure to the progressive followers of Juárez, who was inaugurated as president of Mexico in the same month and year, March 1861, as Lincoln.". ..(more at link)
n/t
Yeehah
(4,524 posts)Thank you for posting. Lincoln was vehemently opposed to the Mexican War and considered it an unjustified act of U.S. aggression.
ihas2stinkyfeet
(1,400 posts)thanks for the link. i sorta knew there was something going on w mexico at the time.
i knew custer fought in it before he took on the native americans.
crickets
(25,896 posts)Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)Joe, just bring up history and you'll totally snow him.
For all his parents' wealth, too bad they couldn't buy him a good education.
sarge43
(28,939 posts)You might able to get it to drink, but you can not get it to float on its back.
He has never been capable of taking advantage of any education. If it isn't about him or someone/thing he wants to be, it doesn't exist.
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)so he made her First Lady.
sarge43
(28,939 posts)Dear Dorothy Parker, "I wish I'd said that."
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)That's impressive. Thanks.
I'm only trying to be Abbie Hoffman or Groucho at this point.
sarge43
(28,939 posts)CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)Finally, some good news today.
Solly Mack
(90,740 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,430 posts)niyad
(112,434 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)moonscape
(4,664 posts)love letter from Kin Jung-un.
Ohiogal
(31,660 posts)Yavin4
(35,356 posts)the more recent ones in his life time.
Tanuki
(14,893 posts)Jackson's many damning flaws, he fought valiantly in the War of 1812 and would have been repelled by 45's cowardice. The Washington Post also recently pointed out how Jackson's reaction to a pandemic (cholera) was far more enlightened than 45's.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/04/01/even-andrew-jackson-showed-more-leadership-than-donald-trump-pandemic/
"We knew the year 2020 would feature a U. S. presidential election. The pandemic was more of a surprise.
Yet these two events have occurred together before, most notably in 1832, when cholera reached the United States for the first time and Andrew Jackson captured a second term. Unsurprisingly, given the raucous nature of the Jacksonian eras elections, the disease became a highly partisan issue. Perhaps surprisingly, however, it was Jackson, not his opponent, Henry Clay, who helped define modern leadership during a public health epidemic. By taking a secular approach to disease, Jacksons actions validated the expertise of doctors and public health officials lessons his successor in the White House today should heed.
Cholera occurs when humans accidentally consume the bacterium Vibrio cholerae, either by drinking tainted water or eating food grown or prepared with that water. Some people have a resistance to the bacterium, others a mild response. In the worst cases, however, infection results in disastrous torrents of diarrhea and vomiting, leading to dehydration and death. Originally from Asia, the bacterium followed routes of trade and empire out to the rest of the world in the early 19th century, resulting in four major pandemics: 1817-24, 1829-51, 1852-59, and 1860-75.
...
At the time, it was a standard and orthodox belief that any disease was divine punishment. Cholera was supposedly a rod in the hand of God, smiting the atheist, the sinner and the non-Protestant immigrant. The suffering was a rebuke and a call to repent. Individuals and communities were, accordingly, told to fast and pray. City officials and state governors received petitions from churches and citizens groups to enact days for public prayer and fasting, and many places complied, including at least 11 states.
Despite attempts to convince Jackson to declare a national day of fasting and prayer, he refused. In a widely reprinted letter of June 12, 1832, he agreed with the efficacy of prayer but stated that for the United States to have a national day devoted in any way to religion was transcending the limits prescribed by the Constitution for the president, a violation of the constitutional protection of freedom of religious belief, including lack of belief.
......
Jackson defied them, and because of that, encouraged growing public support for alternative solutions to epidemics. These included, for example, creating civic boards of health that, with doctors advice, would track contagion, disinfect public areas and declare and uphold quarantines. Not all these measures were appropriate against cholera, whose transmission was not yet well understood. But the shift toward secular and civic solutions to epidemics represented a trend that would eventually protect public health."...(more at link)
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)Ramsey Barner
(349 posts)Looked at through Trump's warped vision, the statement makes a great deal of sense.
WyattKansas
(1,648 posts)He needs to be tied up and restrained at all times like Hannibal Lecter.
barbtries
(28,702 posts)he drones on in absurdity.
dixiechiken1
(2,113 posts)Fucking moran.
Demovictory9
(32,323 posts)Martin Eden
(12,802 posts)And like what they hear.
bucolic_frolic
(42,672 posts)Someone should really get Trump up to speed with a viewing of Viva Max! He needs debate prep.
If Trump were smart I'd say this is posturing, playing dumb. Trump doesn't have to play dumb. Trump is dumb.
packman
(16,296 posts)And what would that be, Donald?
Come to think about it, I never heard of Abe eating tacos or refried beans.
Miigwech
(3,741 posts), no? LOL
chriscan64
(1,789 posts)Coming from an ignorant buffoon who doesn't know enough history to distinguish between Cinco de Mayo and Taco Tuesday.
Blue Owl
(49,913 posts)n/t
paleotn
(17,778 posts)For 4 years he's said time and again that they don't belong in this country. And his base wholeheartedly agrees. And NOW he's stumping for their votes? He's fucked and I think he know it.
Jetheels
(991 posts)Have you not realized by now from listening to his lucid, candid, clear, no slurring of speech, coherent, with excellent scientific understanding about COVID-19 on the Woodward tapes. That is the real trump, the rest is a charade. Fool me once.... His nutty Onion remarks are intentional, part of his act, to generate press, destroy truth, control the narrative, win over stupid voters. He loves the uneducated dont you know by now. In fact hes quite brilliant in what hes saying here about Lincoln and Hispanics. In a sentence hes rewriting history and will undoubtably swing some Hispanic votes his way. He who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past. Orwell.. Hes managed to live a life of crime without any major repercussions. Donnie has managed to bring American democracy within an inch of taking its last breath. Could a stupid person manage that?
marieo1
(1,402 posts)I don't believe one word DJT says.................he thinks and blurts out his mouth. He should just stop thinking, the whole country would be better off and would appreciate it if he just would shut up. He causes more trouble every time he opens his mouth. He is a liar, a troublemaker......WOW, I could go on and on. I have never hated a person in my life as much as I hate DJT. He is a disgusting piece of humanity. I wait for the day when someone makes him finally realize what a monster he is.......and how he is hated.
dalton99a
(81,065 posts)haele
(12,581 posts)So I guess maybe the Drumphf was almost close. Lincoln had quite a different border issue to be concerned with, anyway.
Haele
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)Poiuyt
(18,087 posts)bdamomma
(63,654 posts)his fucking base will believe him too.
VOTE HIM OUT!!!!!!!!!!!