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[cali]

1. My suggestion for Hedges:

Find an Island and some like minded people and set up your ideal society.

And I don't need yet another of the same lecture from him.

[villager]

2. How is he wrong -- specifically -- about the suasion of corporate power?

[cali]

3. he makes sweeping generalizations

and prognosticates.

[MNBrewer]

5. It doesn't matter that he's speaking the truth

this is DU, and to question is to commit the unpardonable sin.

Expect a fresh round of "Fuck Chris Hedges" threads....

For my part, he looks right on, calling for the Democratic Party to stand up for the people over corporate power, but lots here will see it as an outright attack instead.

[cali]

10. yes. yes. if one doesn't agree, one is in denial. the truth? lol, honey.

it's opinion. And he sure as shit isn't calling on the Democratic Party to stand up. He's slamming it and all its members and all liberals as beyond redemption. The guy has developed a fervid tone that mimics religion.

[MNBrewer]

14. Sorry, but I'll take his "opinion" over yours any day

He's proven his worth.

Your analysis of what he has to say is completely incorrect, and your comparison to a religious tone in what he has to say is better applied to that which he is criticizing.

"Don't worry, just believe and everything will be fine. Now shush and drink the sacramental wine."

[cali]

20. lol. feel free. I'm not asking you to take my opinion

And although he once did write thoughtfully, he hasn't in years. yes, yes, that's MY opinion. I know the difference between facts and opinion and I understand that truth is largely subjective.

And your putting words in my mouth is, quite simply, pathetic. I do worry. I don't drink any sacramental wine. I've never thought everything will be fine.

I don't buy my ideas wholesale. Not from Hedges or anyone else.

[Summer Hathaway]

38. I agree that there are numerous things

that can't be "questioned" on DU ...

Like Julian Assange's 'heroic behavior'
Bradley Manning's 'innocence'
Glenn Greenwald's 'journalistic integrity'
Occupy's 'increasing numbers'

Hedges' latest tirade (which strongly resembles all of his other articles for years now) is opinion, not 'truth'.

You might want to learn to distinguish between one and the other. They are often not one and the same.

[MNBrewer]

42. I suggest you haven't been paying attention if you think those things can't be questioned LOL

Good one, what a knee slapper!

[Summer Hathaway]

47. I think perhaps you're the one

not paying attention.

There are many very vocal posters here who question everything Obama and the Dems do, and classify their supporters as 'blind worshipers'.

I find it amusing to see many of those same posters rushing to kneel at the altar of people like Assange and Greenwald without ever questioning their truthfulness, motives or integrity.

[Zalatix]

55. True, Assange and Greenwald are guilty. The Government told me so!

Hedges is a dbag for suggesting we should divide the Left-of-center against Rmoney. But everything else you said was flat-out silly hour.

[Summer Hathaway]

56. Really?

The "government" told you that Assange and Greenwald are "guilty'? Guilty of what?

[Zalatix]

64. You really asked a crazy question like that?

You don't know what Assange has been charged with?
Hint: if the Government didn't think he was guilty of rape then they wouldn't have arrested or tried to arrest him.

[Summer Hathaway]

71. Oh, so the Swedish gov't told you he's guilty?

Guess there won't be a trial then.

You DO understand (well, maybe not) that when accusations of rape are made, it is the responsibility of public prosecutors to weigh the evidence, and bring charges when and where deemed appropriate? It is then up to a judge/jury to determine whether said charges have been proven.

Or are you suggesting that no charges should ever be brought against anyone, for any reason?

And what government told you that Greenwald is 'guilty' - and of what?

[Odin2005]

79. I've disliked Hedges long before this article.

It goes back when he went on a screed bashing the "New Atheism" of Harris, Dawkins, and Hitchens as a kind of fundamentalism. And then a couple months ago he derided people in engineering and accounting jobs as soulless "hollow men" who operate the system without thought to the damage they are doing.

He's the stereotype of the Humanities-oriented intellectual sitting in an ivory tower.

[a geek named Bob]

6. villager...

If you think that Obama and romney are closely related politically... May I suggest you "continue your education..."

[99th_Monkey]

11. I can see it both ways, personally.

I plan on voting for Obama, AND I take seriously our responsibility as progressives
to continue to hold Obama accountable to his campaign promises.

As Hedges points out:

"Obama is in a class by himself. There is hardly a campaign promise from 2008 that Obama has not broken. This list includes his pledges to support the public option in health care, close Guantanamo, raise the minimum wage, regulate Wall Street, support labor unions in their struggles with employers, reform the Patriot Act, negotiate an equitable peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians, curb our imperial expansion in the Middle East, stop torture, protect reproductive rights, carry out a comprehensive immigration reform, cut the deficit by half, create 5 million new energy jobs and halt home foreclosures. Obama, campaigning in South Carolina in 2007, said that as president he would fight for the right of collective bargaining. "I'd put on a comfortable pair of shoes myself, I'll ... walk on that picket line with you as president of the United States of America," he said. But when he got his chance to put on those "comfortable pair of shoes" during labor disputes in Madison, Wis., and Chicago, he turned his back on working men and women."

[a geek named Bob]

13. right...

and a free pony...

[99th_Monkey]

33. I believe you are very much mistaken

Free ponies are only available via THIS candidate for POTUS.
http://www.verminsupreme.com/

[a geek named Bob]

36. LOL

[tama]

103. Free pony

[a geek named Bob]

104. not enough free ponies...

But enough to start a campaign, I figure...

[raouldukelives]

106. That looks fairly close to the amount of ponies the corporations and uber wealthy receieved.

Just multiply it by about 100,000,000,000.00.

[MNBrewer]

15. You didn't read what he said, did you?

[villager]

16. Well, if you were the 4th Amendment, you wouldn't see much difference.

That said, of course Obama is preferable to Romney.

That doesn't mean he's not, ultimately, a captive of the same system, and larger reforms than simply re-electing a "milder corporatist" like Obama are called for, if we're to make it through the upcoming bottleneck...

[a geek named Bob]

19. I'll admit...

that the minute someone starts up with "Obama is a lesser corporatist" I assume they are some brand of socialist.

As I regard socialism as a form of mental rabies, I tune it out quickly.

[villager]

21. You do indeed tune out quickly from the discussion, Geek Bob!

Especially when you equate any criticism of the evidently criticism-proof Obama as "socialism," which you in turn regard as "mental rabies!"

Therefore, in your world, to criticize Obama at all is to have mental rabies?

But the rest of us -- less given to sweeping generalizations and pejoratives -- are here when you want to tune back in to the discussion!

[a geek named Bob]

23. really? an attempt at a snarky comment?

This ought to be fun!

[villager]

25. Was it? Was that what you were doing with the "mental rabies" thing? I wasn't sure.

Was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt!

[a geek named Bob]

26. okay then

in every country I've ever heard of, socialism turns into an abject failure, within 40 years (I'm not sure WHY it's 40 years, but there it is...)
Socialism seems to drive out critical thinking skills (yes yes yes, I KNOW there's critical teaching and Critical theory... I've seen what that's done to our schools... not the topic for this post.)
Socialism is VERY persuasive...unless you look at the results first

Hence my mental rabies comment.

Back to my earlier comment. I try to avoid high risk areas. I've seen enough fire and bloodshed.

[villager]

32. So... capitalism is helping people thrive, and all of Scandanavia has mental rabies?

[a geek named Bob]

102. All of scandanavia is socialist? Pure socialist?

I can't own a private business? I can't own land there?

Really?

[Odin2005]

82. I am a socialist, but I am also a political realist.

Full-blown Socialists have no chance in most of the US, the best we can aim for right now are anti-corporate populists.

[a geek named Bob]

84. That I can work with.

the current flavor of corporatism turns my stomach. I just want to be an entrpreneurial inventor.

From what little spanish I remember: Vamos a negocia...

[Odin2005]

90. This socialist has no problem with entrepreneurs!

IMO Corporate Capitalism actually stifles entrepreneurship because Big Business uses it's political clout to twist regulations in order to hurt their smaller competitors. IMO there is little difference between a giant multinational corporation and a Stalinist state, both are totalitarian oligarchies and every giant corporation is a self-contained command economy.

[a geek named Bob]

92. then we haven't got a problem...

other than working out a fair and equitable rate of pay/bonus/etc.

[GeorgeGist]

98. Have a nice life.

[a geek named Bob]

101. thank you for the well wishing

I'll wish the same to you and yours...

[sabrina 1]

109. Can you explain what Socialism is? I have rarely met a Democrat who has this

fear of Socialism, mainly because Democrats tend to be more educated about this things than the rabid right who receive their education, and dreadful fear of Socialism, from Fox and Rush et al. So it's always a surprise to me to see someone here exhibit the same unfounded fear and I assume that they must have a different view of what Socialism is.

Eg, do you oppose the Military's social programs for Veterans, the ones that provide for those wounded on the battlefields they are sent to? Do you oppose Social Security? Do you oppose Medicare, Medicaid etc.?

What is your opinion of Bernie Sanders eg, who is a proud Socialist?

[a geek named Bob]

110. oh look! it's a black or white fallacy...

Socialism is supposedly a system to have the community (all of it) determine the gathering and distribution of goods, services, and the production thereof.

What if the community is wrong? What if someone wants something other than the stated goals of said community?

Those are "simple" problems with the theory. Then we come to the practical problems...
1.) Yes, I know that many folks will say the Sweden is a socialist state. But Sweden describes itself as a mixed state. So that one's down (also, a 50% tax rate is pretty heinous...)
2.) The other countries listing themselves as socialist aren't places I'd want to live: Vietnam, Cambodia, Cuba...

3.) You can't really call the PRC a socialist state, as they have an entrenched monetary class, and few civil rights (I'd call them an industrial dictatorship...)

4.) There's the issue of pay rates. Who decides? There's also the issue of "rewards..." If I build something, shouldn't I have some sort of compensation? Can I determine the form/rate of pay? There's too much trust placed in "the community," in the socialist system, for my taste.

[99th_Monkey]

4. Because Hedges is about throwing his body onto the gears of the Death Machine,

to STOP it in its tracks, and calling upon others to do the same, while there still
may be time and a tiny thread of hope left.

He's not about running away from our responsibilities as citizens and human beings.

[DemocratsForProgress]

8. Goodness, how dramatic. n/t

[cali]

12. codswallop. and why don't YOU go throw your body into the gears if

that's what you believe? Why aren't you out on the streets now. No excuses.

[Odin2005]

83. Comparing Hedges to Mario Savio is an insult to Savio.

[a geek named Bob]

105. I kind of liked Savio

whatever happened to him?

[Zalatix]

49. I don't know who's worse...

Chris Hedges, who might depress Democratic votes if anyone takes him seriously, or the disparaging (to put it nicely) responses I saw on the DU when Nancy Pelosi talked about a Constitutional Amendment overturning Citizens United.

Who needs naysayers like Chris Hedges when you've got people BOOING someone who proposes the most fundamentally PERFECT solution to the very heart of America's problems?

[DemocratsForProgress]

7. From the article:

You can dismiss those of us who will in protest vote for a third-party candidate...

Yes, I can, Chris. And I do.

[Zalatix]

50. +100

[cali]

9. OK. I read the entire piece

This isn't merely the two parties are the same dog shit. According to Hedges (what the fuck happened to him?) Obama is worse than Romney and worse than bushco.

And that's crap to anyone with two brain cells to rub together. I don't think hedges gives a flying fuck about the poor or women or the elderly. He's just into his own polemic and trying to get people not to vote at all. He's really a secular apocalyptist trying to hasten his own version the millennium.

fuck him.

[99th_Monkey]

18. I don't completely agree w/Hedges, but feel his voice is important.

I plan on voting for Obama, AND I take seriously our responsibility as progressives
to continue to hold Obama accountable to his campaign promises.

Hell, Obama HIMSELF has specifically ASKED for progressives to "make him do the
right thing" by organizing, and massively lobbying for what the nation needs so
desperately, so as to "have his back". During the 2008 campaign, he quoted FDR
as saying something similar to his critics.

[cali]

22. I no longer do.

One more time: Hedges isn't about holding Obama accountable. And ALL he does is write the same Cassandra style polemic over and over and over again. Once he could write. He can't anymore. There's nothing effective about his rhetoric.

[99th_Monkey]

28. It's true that Hedges appears to have given up on Obama

at least for the time being, and btw with plenty of good reasons,
that he cites in this article.

But I haven't, and still plan on voting for Obama. for me it's
"both/and" all-of-the-above progressive forces all pushing in
the same direction, each in our own way.

and hopefully showing a modicum of respect for other
progressives who differ in some way with MY chosen path
to create positive change.

[cali]

30. I think the word excoriate is more appropriate

Did he ever support Obama in any way?

And it's not just Obama he excoriates. It's all dems and liberals. He shows them no respect whatsoever.

[99th_Monkey]

39. Hedges' list of Obama's broken promises

is driving people like Hedges and others, away from his
campaign. duh.

Listen, I actually WANT Obama to win, will campaign for
him; even though he keeps illegally invading ME nations air
space, to commit mass murder of innocent civilians, and even
though he keeps sending storm troopers to criminalize people
using medical marijuana programs where they've been passed
by the voters of that state (after he promised he wouldn't),
and even though he aggressively criminalizes whistle-blowers
trying to put an end to mindless greed and corruption in the
US Guv-mint.

By continuing these policies, Obama is driving huge chunks of
his progressive base into voting 3rd party. I'm not one of them,
but I can see this happening, and it may even prove to be
fatal to his campaign. Why can't he at least lighten up on these
atrocious policies until after the election?

[cali]

46. You didn't answer my question.

Here's the answer. Chris Hedges never supported Obama. Ever. He wrote pieces slamming him before he was elected.

And no, polls do not show Obama losing HUGE chunks of his progressive base. If you have even a shred of evidence, do provide it.

My point is simple: Hedges believe the only way to save us is to crash the system. That's his goal. Personally, I think that's reprehensible and demonstrates a callous disregard for the very populations he claims to care about.

And frankly, his influence is very minor.

Btw, if Obama loses, it sure as shit won't be because he loses progressives. And daily it's increasingly unlikely he will lose.

Yes, Obama has broken promises. He's also kept them. And credible economists almost uniformly believe that his administration's policies kept the economy from swan diving into a full fledged depression.

[villager]

24. Many here conveniently forget what Obama has *asked* them to do...

Instead deciding to express outrage should anyone dare deviate from a White House talking point.

And where have we seen that before?

[cali]

27. Yes, some people do.

If I were simply cheerleading, I wouldn't be the person who posts more of the drone stories than, I believe, anyone else.

Disagreeing with Hedges, and thinking he's a repetitive hack screaming one note at the top of his lungs, doesn't mean I'm mindlessly supporting Obama.

And (sigh) yet again: Hedges isn't asking us to hold Obama's feet to the fire. He's asking us to totally repudiate him and NOT vote for him or other dems.

[villager]

31. Not to make our sub-exchange about the Hedges piece, Cali -- you *do* agree we need

...to hold Obama's feet to the fire on issues so critical to our democracy (what's left of it) and our planet, yes?

[cali]

34. Absolutely. My point is that is antithetical to what Hedges believes.

[villager]

37. Well, though I like the OP more than you do -- I think it raises some salient, if imperfectly

stated points -- we're in definite agreement on this.

[Kindly Refrain]

35. They are both corporatists

There is no denying that.

[cali]

40. Yes, but that doesn't mean there isn't an enormous gulf between the two.

As someone who is poor and recently disabled, I really resent the bullshit about the two being interchangeable- or as Hedges so bogusly claims, that Obama is worse.

I'm dependent on Medicaid. Without it, no PT, no Fletcher Allen Center for Pain Medicine. No orthopedist. No medication. I now need food stamps. Hard as that is to say. And it is hard.

Romney wants to block grant Medicaid and cut it drastically. He wants to make huge cuts in food stamps.

Back to the corporatist claim. The structure as it is- and it's dismal- is such that no politician can function without being entangled with corporations; and that includes Bernie Sanders.

[limpyhobbler]

87. This is just to defend Bernie Sanders real quick.

I don't think he's entangled with corporations. You have to look where their money comes from. I checked him out really in depth about 5 years ago and almost all his money came from labor and issue groups and individuals. He had some that were listed as financial industry but when I looked into it they were from credit union associations. Unless he has really changed a lot in the last few years, the guy is not entangled with corporations. That is all.

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00000528&cycle=2012

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=2012&cid=N00000528&type=I

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/industries.php?cycle=2012&cid=N00000528&type=I

[cali]

100. Bernie is my Senator. I love the guy

and I'm not suggesting that he's corrupt at all, but he does take corporate funding.

American Crystal Sugar is one example. Yes, it's a cooperative but that doesn't tell the true story.

UPDATE - This post has been updated with remarks from American Crystal Sugar below.

WASHINGTON - One of the most powerful labor unions in the country is urging 225 members of Congress, including eight members of Minnesota's 10 member delegation, to tell American Crystal Sugar to end a year-long lockout of workers in Minnesota, North Dakota and Iowa and return the company's campaign contributions if it doesn't settle the labor dispute.

More than 1,300 unionized workers have been locked out of their jobs by the sugar beet processing cooperative since August 2011 when contract talks broke down and were replaced by non-union labor.

"I am sure you do not approve of this blatant disregard for working families and their communities," wrote AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka in a letter to every member of Congress who has received the company's campaign contributions. "I am therefore asking you to use your influence and stature to insist that the company resolve this dispute immediately and end the lockout."

American Crystal Sugar is a big player on Capitol Hill, giving more than $1.5 million in campaign contributions to members of both parties since 2011, according to opensecrets.org. The company is a beneficiary of a government policy that restricts imports of sugar from overseas. DFL U.S. Sen. Al Franken and Republican U.S. Rep. Chip Cravaack are the only two members of Minnesota's congressional delegation who have not received campaign contributions from the company in this election cycle.

<snip>

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/polinaut/archive/2012/08/afl-cio_warns_c.shtml

[Odin2005]

86. He's become a caricature of the negative stereptypes of "preachy Baby Boomers".

(and I mean no offense to most Boomers.) With few of the POSITIVE stereotypes of that generation (like vision and creativity).

"He's really a secular apocalyptist trying to hasten his own version the millennium."

That describes him perfectly.

[alcibiades_mystery]

17. Ay yay yay

[Kalidurga]

29. I'll take mine with a little sugar on top of my GMO oatmeal and hormone fed eggs on the side. NT

[banned from Kos]

41. Fuck Socialism. There is a party for socialists.

Its called the Socialist Party.

[99th_Monkey]

43. As in obscure "3rd party" you mean?

Which is exactly where Obama's policies (continued drone strikes
in ME, criminalizing otherwise legal medical marijuana programs,
and prosecuting whistle-blowers as "traitors&quot are driving voters in
droves. ... to 3rd party candidates.

Why is he doing this to his progressive base?

[WillyT]

44. So... No Teachers... No Firefighters... No Police... No Military ???

Those are all socialistic enterprises, no ???

[banned from Kos]

45. Of course they are.

Public services SHOULD be publicly owned.

Private non-essential services should be privately owned.

[WillyT]

48. Thank You !!! - So The Argument Becomes... WHAT... Is Essential ???

And MY fear... is that if someone could privatize air... they would, and charge you for breathing.

[banned from Kos]

51. Hedges says YOU are the problem, Willy

You are, by playing your assigned role as the Democratic or Republican voter in this political theater, giving legitimacy to a corporate agenda that means your own impoverishment and disempowerment.

Admit it!

[WillyT]

72. Well... Hedges Is Probably Pointing Out The Obvious...

Who's in charge of who ???

In past decades...


Jesse Unruh

On lobbyists – "If you can't eat their food, drink their booze, screw their women and then vote against them, you have no business being up here."

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_M._Unruh

Nowadays... people become members of Congress to attain the "height" of being a Lobbyist.

Assbackwards...

[Zalatix]

53. Yup. They did that with water already.

[Zalatix]

52. What about Bernie Sanders? He almost ALWAYS sides with the Dems.

And I'm not sure what is wrong with Socialism? Stalin was NOT Socialist.

[banned from Kos]

59. There may not be anything "wrong" with Socialism.

other than it has about 5% support in the USA.

[Zalatix]

54. To Hedges: Don't let the perfect become the ENEMY of the good.

When you vote third party, you guarantee the victory of Republicans, who despite everything Hedges says, is MORE corporate than the Dems.

I share his disdain toward small steps forward, but I'm not going to take steps BACKWARD by voting for a third party.

[hay rick]

66. The dichotomy is not perfect/good, it is bad/worse.

Hedges offers a reasonable diagnosis- corporate domination of our political system and economy. What he lacks is a useful prescription for action. Third parties are useless at this time and I don't see civil disobedience as a difference maker.

I think Hedges is correct in saying the "fiscal cliff" is an opportunity for considerable mischief. Interesting times.

[Odin2005]

88. He reminds me of the the German Communists in 1932.

They refused to form a coalition with the Social Democrats because they thought the Nazis would cause The Revolution to come sooner.

[limpyhobbler]

97. Liberals today remind me of German liberals who remained silent

while the Nazis shutdown radical dissent.

German liberals refused to come to the defense of communists, socialists, and labor unions because they didn't want to look to radical, or maybe because their careers depended on it, or they didn't want to be called traitors. And after the left-wing movements were crushed, there was nobody left with the courage to challenge the fascists.

There isn't a viable radical political voice in the US because liberals keep cooperating with conservatives to shout it down.

[limpyhobbler]

58. I like it when outsiders criticize Democrats from the left. I want more of this on the TV. nt.

[Zalatix]

61. Or better yet, how about helping to elect leftists at the state and local level?

The way to criticize corporate Dems is to elect non-corporate Dems.

[geek tragedy]

62. Hedges, Nader and their fans here are de facto allies of the Republicans.

Their immediate goal isn't policy--it's to destroy and delegitimize the Democratic party.

They share that agenda with the Republicans.

Only difference is that the Republicans are smart enough to realize what the consequences would be.

[limpyhobbler]

70. I think boot-licking corporate centrists are the real allies of the Republicans.

They actually support Republican policies by voting for them in the Congress and signing them into law.

That's pretty bad.

You really have to stand reality on its head to say that someone who criticizes the Democrats for cooperating too much with the right wing is an ally of the Republicans.

Why not look at the people who are actually working with the Republicans to enforce right-wing policies? Jeez.

[hay rick]

73. Attacking the boot-lickers?

You must want Romney to win.

[geek tragedy]

75. Those who objectively try to help Republicans win elections are their allies.

Truth hurts, huh?

Blessed be the purists, with the accountability of a child and a similar temperament.

[limpyhobbler]

80. Those who help pass right-wing policies are the Republicans' allies.

To be honest Hedges is kind of hard to defend, particularly in this forum, because everybody here is so focused on winning the election, and Hedges said is not voting for the President. Actually he sued the President in court. That could be considered even worse than not voting for him. Because of all the negative publicity that brought the President surrounding section 1021 of the NDAA.

So just to get this straight, someone who sues the government in court to fight a law that takes away Americans' right to a trial by jury, they are helping the Republicans. But people who work in government to help the Republicans pass that law, they are not allies of the Republicans. Sounds backwards to me.

[geek tragedy]

85. His lawsuit has merit. His attempts to persuade people to not vote

are abominable vote suppressionist filth.

[limpyhobbler]

65. Can't argue with that.

Start recruiting candidates for the 2014 Democratic primaries.

That's for Congress, and also state and local.

[geek tragedy]

60. What is this pro-Romney horeshit doing here? nt

[99th_Monkey]

63. Pro-Romney? You'd best get your eyes checked,

but don't check your brain when walking into Obama Campaign Hdqrs.

Polemics aside, I think Hedges would agree, that Mittens is way worse
than Obama. and I certainly agree, and am voting for Obama.

I take Hedges to mean we need to keep pressure on Obama from far
left, to have any hope of saving SS/Medicare, to be a real influence for
peace and democracy in the world (rather than droning up more and
more terrorists, i.e. outraged Islamic people about US drone strikes,
therefore CREATING more terrorists), etc.

[Capn Sunshine]

67. That's a pretty rosey take-away from Hedges.

But I hope you're right. I think Hedges is just another flavor of gasbag, the outraged left "both parties are hopeless sellouts" version. He's found a sweet spot to snipe at everybody from. Just a Nader of another fllavor.

Although I don't know if Hedges would take Republicans funds to further his cause like Nader.
Would he?

[muriel_volestrangler]

69. No, he's attacking Obama as just as bad as Romney, and he says you're part of the problem

From your own excerpt: "You are, by playing your assigned role as the Democratic or Republican voter in this political theater, giving legitimacy to a corporate agenda"

That means you. This screed is in favour of voting 3rd party - it says so, in the last paragraph.

Did you actually read it all before posting it?

[geek tragedy]

74. No, Hedges wants Obama to lose because only by

destroying the Democrats--in his view--can an 'authentic' progressive movement rise.

He is opposed to voting.

[Nye Bevan]

68. FYI, OP will not be posting in this thread any more.

At Tue Sep 25, 2012, 08:24 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

And you didn't answer my question either
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1414992

REASON FOR ALERT:

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ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Alerting for TOS violation. The poster created this thread with the article from Chris Hedges, who is telling us all the reasons why he's voting third-party. Then, to further bolster the third-party argument, the OP is linking to Tucker Carlson's right-wing website The Daily Caller. Of course, Carlson and other Republicans want to spread the word about a third party. Splitting the vote on the left can only help Republicans, and that appears to be what the OP is trying to do with this post.

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Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: Can't stand these type of comment.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: I am a Chris Hedges supporter. However, advocating for a 3rd party is against TOS.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[MannyGoldstein]

76. I was on a jury that voted to leave this very post alone

I didn't realize that the same post could be voted on multiple times.

[MannyGoldstein]

93. Never mind - my jury was for the OP, it was a later response

by the author of the OP that was hidden.

[Son of Gob]

81. Some of these RWers really can't help themselves.

Hey dumbass Right Wingers, Don't use articles from RW sources when you're pretending to be a critic from the Left. Did Better Better It teach you idiots nothing?

[Cha]

95. Thank you, Nye Bevan!

[Odin2005]

78. More proof of why I hate Chris Hedges.

First he bashes Atheists, then he bashes people in the STEM fields, and now this shit.

[Warren DeMontague]

89. Chris Hedges is an asshat.

In fact, he's such an asshat, the hat on his ass has it's own ass, which has another, smaller, hat on it.

[Odin2005]

91. DUZY!!!!!!!!!

[Bobbie Jo]

94. ROFL!

Well done.

[Autumn]

96. Campaign finance reform.

As long as corporations buy our politicians we will get poison.

[DerekG]

99. It seems progressive voices are no longer popular on this site

The party drifts ever to the right, and so go its loyal hacks.

[Odin2005]

107. Spouting Naderite garbage has never been allowed on DU.

[MineralMan]

108. Oh, for pete's sake.

Can we have a moratorium on third party, Democrats and Republicans are the same rhetoric until after the election? Please.