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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 12:15 PM Sep 2020

Breaking MSNBC: Pelosi just called into question the validity of Trump's judicial picks

And raised it under the context that Trump asked McConnell to fast track his IRS pick, even above confirmation of Barr to the DOJ.

She said it all adds up that everything he’s been doing as POTUS has been to protect himself against prosecution

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Breaking MSNBC: Pelosi just called into question the validity of Trump's judicial picks (Original Post) berni_mccoy Sep 2020 OP
"Justice Kennedy and son, Rule of Claw Sep 2020 #1
Damn straight, gab13by13 Sep 2020 #28
..or the noms are tainted with russian influence.. samnsara Sep 2020 #2
UH OH! Nancy is catching on to you fake Trumpy!... Illumination Sep 2020 #3
Impeach Barr Indyfan53 Sep 2020 #4
That is going to happen sooner than you think malaise Sep 2020 #31
impeaching Barr will NOT slow down the nomination, dware Sep 2020 #44
There it is! Legitimacy, conflicts of interest, abrogation of duties under the Constitution bucolic_frolic Sep 2020 #5
Be still cilla4progress Sep 2020 #34
Call the Director of the IRS to testify before Congress. C_U_L8R Sep 2020 #6
I remember the head of the IRS testifying to Congress a few years back NewJeffCT Sep 2020 #7
It's a general condition of the job Turbineguy Sep 2020 #53
Right, they'll be right over maxsolomon Sep 2020 #8
Even so, it's horrible 'optics' for Trump C_U_L8R Sep 2020 #12
in politics noneof_theabove Sep 2020 #17
Betting that will happen soon. It damn well better. triron Sep 2020 #13
Yep, he's got Mnuchin keeping things... SergeStorms Sep 2020 #20
That's the only outcome that would bring real justice. dchill Sep 2020 #30
It's also the only outcome that can bring real national healing. soldierant Sep 2020 #46
Every road leads to Putin. triron Sep 2020 #9
Bingo Lucinda Sep 2020 #10
Here's the thing. johnnyfins Sep 2020 #11
The endgame seems to be delay Auggy74 Sep 2020 #14
That has always been his endgame in everything he does Sherman A1 Sep 2020 #15
Have to take out Pence, too. wnylib Sep 2020 #16
It takes 67 votes in the Senate Mr.Bill Sep 2020 #25
Right. No way on this green (soon-to-be black) earth.... lastlib Sep 2020 #29
Still takes 67 Senators to convict. How does the Senate get to 67? onenote Sep 2020 #52
In light of the revelations about Trump's taxes hadEnuf Sep 2020 #18
If convicted it would be enough to call ALL of his picks into doubt... cbdo2007 Sep 2020 #22
Justice Ginsburg passing at first look Roc2020 Sep 2020 #19
Strike his name and all he has done from history superpatriotman Sep 2020 #21
That did not work out too well in the end for Pharaoh as I recall... Moostache Sep 2020 #32
In 2012, the Disney show Gravity Falls MurrayDelph Sep 2020 #33
Kick dalton99a Sep 2020 #23
Small wonder Larissa Sep 2020 #24
Self-interest has played a role in his decision-making??? BobTheSubgenius Sep 2020 #26
KnR sarchasm Sep 2020 #27
Damn straight, Madame Speaker. Go there, loudly, because it's TRUE. nt crickets Sep 2020 #35
Keep those boots on his neck Speaker Nancy malaise Sep 2020 #36
YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!! Blue Owl Sep 2020 #37
She can do that, but what recourse does she have? ancianita Sep 2020 #38
ALL these things. ALL these suggestions. EVERY LAST ONE of 'em. calimary Sep 2020 #39
Now, now... llmart Sep 2020 #40
Gayle King would be nothing and nowhere without the help of her friend Oprah. calimary Sep 2020 #41
I've thought the same thing. llmart Sep 2020 #42
When I was working a really important part of a successful upward climb was who you knew. calimary Sep 2020 #45
Isn't Oprah responsible for bringing us phil and oz? niyad Sep 2020 #47
Yes, and a myriad new age charlatans, like that mindfulness guru, Eckhart Tolle. nt SunSeeker Sep 2020 #55
Had forgotten about hm! niyad Sep 2020 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author SunSeeker Sep 2020 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author LTG Sep 2020 #49
Great election strategy LTG Sep 2020 #50
Right. Our sovereignty has been held hostage to serve foreign and individual interests bucolic_frolic Sep 2020 #43
Great issue to raise and push, LTG Sep 2020 #48
About time... czarjak Sep 2020 #51
When Biden takes over, he has to create a Presidential Crimes Commission ... aggiesal Sep 2020 #54
If selling off the country, deregulation is worth trillions to foreign companies, so you appoint bucolic_frolic Sep 2020 #57
I think that's a reasonable statement. calimary Sep 2020 #59

dware

(12,363 posts)
44. impeaching Barr will NOT slow down the nomination,
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 06:16 PM
Sep 2020

Moscow Mitch can just dismiss it or table it.
There is no rule that requires all other Senate business stop until the "trial" is over.

bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
5. There it is! Legitimacy, conflicts of interest, abrogation of duties under the Constitution
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 12:54 PM
Sep 2020

making everything he did and does illegitimate. How do we clawback that pile of manure? One decision at a time I suspect, investigations, impeachments ... throw it all back in the GOP's face!

C_U_L8R

(44,998 posts)
6. Call the Director of the IRS to testify before Congress.
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 12:56 PM
Sep 2020

Heck, call the entire IRS staff who ever touched Trump's taxes.

And a President under high crimes investigation should not be permitted nominations.
Make it an impeachment if we must.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
7. I remember the head of the IRS testifying to Congress a few years back
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 01:01 PM
Sep 2020

Not sure if it was with Dems in control or Republics, but he was visibly shaking he was so nervous.

Turbineguy

(37,319 posts)
53. It's a general condition of the job
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 11:51 PM
Sep 2020

that as head of the IRS, one is the most widely hated person in the country.

SergeStorms

(19,193 posts)
20. Yep, he's got Mnuchin keeping things...
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 01:40 PM
Sep 2020

buried along with the IRS. If Trump loses he knows he's going to prison for the rest of his life, along with being penniless. What a fitting end for such a despicable piece of crap.

johnnyfins

(816 posts)
11. Here's the thing.
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 01:05 PM
Sep 2020

Let's say they ram through this SCOTUS nomination. It looks like they will. So now Trumpo can make a mess of the election, and have the SCOTUS appoint him. Then what? Does he think repubs will win the presidency AND the Senate? Doubtful. So he wins a second term, the house impeaches him again, and the new Democratic led senate throws him out on his ass.

Repubs have NO end game here.

Auggy74

(60 posts)
14. The endgame seems to be delay
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 01:10 PM
Sep 2020

Delay the reckoning until they can't, and then blame the "partisan Democrats" for the consequences of their own actions.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
15. That has always been his endgame in everything he does
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 01:14 PM
Sep 2020

just drag it out in court for as long as possible.

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
25. It takes 67 votes in the Senate
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 02:00 PM
Sep 2020

to remove him from office. He could chop the heads off of live babies at a rally, and you wouldn't get republicans to vote against him.

lastlib

(23,214 posts)
29. Right. No way on this green (soon-to-be black) earth....
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 02:11 PM
Sep 2020

you'll find fifteen GOPee Senators with the moral fortitude to vote for removal. You'll find that many unicorns first.

hadEnuf

(2,187 posts)
18. In light of the revelations about Trump's taxes
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 01:20 PM
Sep 2020

allowing him to appoint a SCOTUS justice would be criminal in itself.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
22. If convicted it would be enough to call ALL of his picks into doubt...
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 01:51 PM
Sep 2020

not saying they would be removed but if any of the 200 judges he has appointed are benefiting his criminal enterprise then they could all be accomplices and if by chance even 1 Senator who voted for his judges could be tied to his fraud as well, it could set up even more cards to fall.

Roc2020

(1,615 posts)
19. Justice Ginsburg passing at first look
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 01:37 PM
Sep 2020

seems like it benefited the GOP. But her death may actually be a curse against the GOP. Ironic indeed.

superpatriotman

(6,247 posts)
21. Strike his name and all he has done from history
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 01:42 PM
Sep 2020

Just like Pharoah did with Moses. Then send he and his cult out to wander in the wilderness for forty years.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
32. That did not work out too well in the end for Pharaoh as I recall...
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 02:43 PM
Sep 2020

Yul Brynner ended up looking pretty sad when old Charlton Heston went through the wilderness...

"So let it written. So let it be done."

That was always my favorite quote from "The Ten Commandments"...used to watch that movie EVERY year on Easter Sunday!

MurrayDelph

(5,293 posts)
33. In 2012, the Disney show Gravity Falls
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 02:44 PM
Sep 2020

created the character Sir Lord Quentin Trembley III Esquire, the eighth-and-a-half President of The United States, who was so bad, they removed him from history. Trump is worse.


https://gravityfalls.fandom.com/wiki/Quentin_Trembley

Larissa

(790 posts)
24. Small wonder
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 01:54 PM
Sep 2020

. . . at Trump's ongoing threats not to leave the W.H. when the clock strikes the end of his term. Being president provides him cover from investigations and court orders to cough up the cash he owes.

sarchasm

(1,012 posts)
27. KnR
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 02:08 PM
Sep 2020

I dream of the day when we'll see a perp walk from this POS, but his skin is as slippery as a Mississippi sturgeon.

Blue Owl

(50,349 posts)
37. YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!!
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 02:49 PM
Sep 2020

This current nominee, as well as tRump's past two, should all be thrown out given that they were picked by a criminal tax cheat who has lied and broken the tax law several years in a row.

LOCK HIM THE FUCK UP! NOW!!!!!

calimary

(81,220 posts)
39. ALL these things. ALL these suggestions. EVERY LAST ONE of 'em.
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 03:08 PM
Sep 2020

This time, WE own the firehose. And HE'S the one who has to try to drink from it.

Deluge him. Overwhelm him. Stir up a huge shitstorm about this, coming from EVERY corner, oozing out of EVERY pore in the skin of his many henchmen, and out from under EVERY rock. Compel so many "singers" to come forward and take center stage that they stretch from coast to coast, using social distancing, of course.

llmart

(15,536 posts)
40. Now, now...
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 03:19 PM
Sep 2020

Gayle King does not like anyone using the word "henchmen" in regards to trump's minions. She thinks that word is derogatory to trump. She wagged her finger at Nancy Pelosi for using it.

I have no desire to ever watch anything with Gayle King after that nonsense.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
41. Gayle King would be nothing and nowhere without the help of her friend Oprah.
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 04:55 PM
Sep 2020

Whenever I see Gayle King on anywhere I can't help but think - "ahhh... connections... "

calimary

(81,220 posts)
45. When I was working a really important part of a successful upward climb was who you knew.
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 06:29 PM
Sep 2020

"It's who you know."

I'm sure that still holds true.

Connections are EVERYTHING.

Response to niyad (Reply #47)

Response to calimary (Reply #39)

LTG

(216 posts)
50. Great election strategy
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 08:51 PM
Sep 2020

But doesn’t necessarily affect the outcome of the appointment. Too many holes in the Constitution on the issues. I don’t think it specifies how, or if, an election can be invalidated. Even a 4-4 vote is a non-decision.

I don’t believe there is any way to require a justice to recuse themselves. It is left to their own ethics and morals to make that decision. I don’t think even the Chief Justice can require it.

Not sure the court would choose to rule with only 6 justices, which would still be 3 - 3.

bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
43. Right. Our sovereignty has been held hostage to serve foreign and individual interests
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 05:53 PM
Sep 2020

Read your Machiavelli. No state can be forced to accept that unless defeated in war. So illegitimacy becomes an issue.

LTG

(216 posts)
48. Great issue to raise and push,
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 08:17 PM
Sep 2020

the accusations are startling and criminal, once proven. Much like Mueller’s investigation, years of accusations from Congress and in the press. Then Mueller’s report tells most uninformed voters there was found no prosecutable evidence of collusion/conspiracy.

As to the judges, I don’t think crimes prior to the election invalidates the election. Crimes after the election probably wouldn’t invalidate the appointments. I don’t believe the Constitution says anything about invalidating an election.

Not sure if Nixon made any appointments after planning Watergate, but would provide a precedent, as I don’t think they even tried to remove them.

The Constitution says executive appointees can only be removed through impeachment after they’ve been confirmed and been sworn in.

No matter whose impeachment you naught start it won’t slow down the confirmation much, if at all.

If the impeachment was completed with the removal of anyone except the President, there’d always after the election until inauguration.

Even if he is impeached it is arguable that until removed the appointment is still valid and actionable by the Senate.

Lots of Constitutional questions there, but at the least would probably require the successful impeachment and removal of the President. All would require separate decisions from the Supreme Court, although in a single filing.

But still worth while it is something to keep the press and public interested and occupy news cycles. Probably have to start process as quickly as possible,before it is seen as an unsubstantiated empty threat. That could be a big negative.

czarjak

(11,266 posts)
51. About time...
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 10:58 PM
Sep 2020

Start with Judge Hendrix in Lubbock, Texas! Por favor. Illegitimate, thanks to Trump. Who knew?

aggiesal

(8,911 posts)
54. When Biden takes over, he has to create a Presidential Crimes Commission ...
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 02:26 AM
Sep 2020

to investigate the complete corruption of all the players in all the agencies.

bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
57. If selling off the country, deregulation is worth trillions to foreign companies, so you appoint
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 08:15 AM
Sep 2020

deregulation judges, free-marketers, to allow pollution at will. You see how judicial appointees can be tainted by conflicts of interest?

calimary

(81,220 posts)
59. I think that's a reasonable statement.
Tue Sep 29, 2020, 09:19 AM
Sep 2020

They’re ALL questionable.

Forced down our throats by an illegitimately “elected” pResident. Doesn’t that render THEM illegitimate, too?

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