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Why is Kamala debating in the same room as Pence? (Original Post) dlk Oct 2020 OP
I hope she borrows Jaime's plexiglass mucifer Oct 2020 #1
Time to borrow Jaime Harrison's plexiglass shield onetexan Oct 2020 #2
They need major screens between them so he can't utilize drumpfs infection strategy. lark Oct 2020 #3
Plexiglass won't be enough to protect her dlk Oct 2020 #4
And that entire fucking family was sitting inside without masks JI7 Oct 2020 #6
I agree, the stakes are way too high now. Towlie Oct 2020 #5
One good thing: I don't think Pence is going to be allowed to debate without Baitball Blogger Oct 2020 #7
He shouldn't be, but we all know how that turned out in the first debate. LisaL Oct 2020 #11
Not just Pence, but all the campaign staff C_U_L8R Oct 2020 #8
The Biden/Harris campaign already asked and got approved to change the distance between Pence Claustrum Oct 2020 #9
I think the rules are set by the Debate Commission. LisaL Oct 2020 #10
Tests take time for results and they're not always accurate dlk Oct 2020 #12
I was speaking with an acquaintance of mine who works for one of the big Pharma companies who OnDoutside Oct 2020 #15
The Trump/Pence creeps will probably sit on HER side... Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2020 #13
I think the Biden campaign should insist on no audience, for a start. And if Pence complains, tell OnDoutside Oct 2020 #14
At Biden's debate, the Trump camp arrived too late to be tested dlk Oct 2020 #16
No audience, period. kacekwl Oct 2020 #17
There should be no in person debates Meowmee Oct 2020 #18
Even without an audience, there is still the candidate and their staff dlk Oct 2020 #19
It's insane to drag 2 entourages plus the press out to Utah BlueNProud Oct 2020 #20
What has happened to our public safety duty? dlk Oct 2020 #21
do you think Harris is held hostage by her staff? onenote Oct 2020 #22
Of course not dlk Oct 2020 #24
Why is Kamala debating on the same planet as Pence? Hugin Oct 2020 #23
They should demand a clear plexiglass or glass divider between Harris and Pence karynnj Oct 2020 #25
Isn't insisting on a plexiglass screen an admission the venue is not safe? dlk Oct 2020 #26
To screw with 'Mother' Brother Buzz Oct 2020 #27
Is that worth risking Harris' and her staff's health and safety? dlk Oct 2020 #28
She can decide for herself. LisaL Oct 2020 #29
With so much at stake, she may feel pressured to go along dlk Oct 2020 #30
Who is supposed to tell her not to do it? LisaL Oct 2020 #31
The Debate Commission can change the venue dlk Oct 2020 #32
I agree. crickets Oct 2020 #33

lark

(23,094 posts)
3. They need major screens between them so he can't utilize drumpfs infection strategy.
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 09:06 AM
Oct 2020

Seriously, without those, don't know if it's safe.

dlk

(11,560 posts)
4. Plexiglass won't be enough to protect her
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 09:07 AM
Oct 2020

The Trump campaign does not mean her well. They never even told the Bidens Trump was Covid positive.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
11. He shouldn't be, but we all know how that turned out in the first debate.
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 09:21 AM
Oct 2020

They took Trump's campaign's word that everybody was tested.

C_U_L8R

(45,000 posts)
8. Not just Pence, but all the campaign staff
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 09:17 AM
Oct 2020

They are a walking cloud of disease.
The only smart move is to stay far away.

Claustrum

(4,845 posts)
9. The Biden/Harris campaign already asked and got approved to change the distance between Pence
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 09:17 AM
Oct 2020

and Kamala from 7 feet to 12 feet. There are 2 campaigns that they have to work with. We don't make all of the decisions alone.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
10. I think the rules are set by the Debate Commission.
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 09:20 AM
Oct 2020

They are going to be further apart (12 feet) than originally decided (7 feet).
I am hoping that Pence and any people that come with him are tested by a third party, without just taking Pence's word that he got tested.
Tests should start picking virus by Wednesday if Pence got infected by Trump. My understanding it takes 3-7 days after infection for tests to start picking up the virus.

dlk

(11,560 posts)
12. Tests take time for results and they're not always accurate
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 09:24 AM
Oct 2020

They are only a snapshot at a specific time. Someone can test negative and then later test positive. Also, this is an airborne virus and 6 or 12 feet spacing is not a guarantee. I don’t understand why the very real risks are being brushed aside. Harris’ (and her staff’s) safety matters.

OnDoutside

(19,954 posts)
15. I was speaking with an acquaintance of mine who works for one of the big Pharma companies who
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 09:35 AM
Oct 2020

produce the testing kits, and they said that the tests have moved a lot further from the 50-50 results back in March, and have a far higher level of reliability now.

On a sidenote, they were saying that their division of the Pharma company were contacted directly from the White House demanding they give 100% of the kits to the US, and screw the rest of the world. They declined but i think the US is still getting 50% plus.

OnDoutside

(19,954 posts)
14. I think the Biden campaign should insist on no audience, for a start. And if Pence complains, tell
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 09:29 AM
Oct 2020

him they more than proved they can't be trusted.

dlk

(11,560 posts)
16. At Biden's debate, the Trump camp arrived too late to be tested
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 09:37 AM
Oct 2020

They also didn’t wear masks during the debate and for all we know, Trump was Covid positive at the debate. Trump & his entourage could not care less who they infect and will continue to flaunt safety rules. This is reckless endangerment. If someone infects someone else with HIV, they can be jailed. Why are we ignoring reality with Covid, which can be fatal, and not safely conducting the debates remotely? Is there even one good reason?

dlk

(11,560 posts)
19. Even without an audience, there is still the candidate and their staff
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 09:52 AM
Oct 2020

If Jack Danforth and others on the debate commission are as decent as people say, they will change the venue and do the Harris/Pence debate remotely. If not, why not? What is the agenda? Safety should be paramount.

BlueNProud

(1,048 posts)
20. It's insane to drag 2 entourages plus the press out to Utah
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 10:01 AM
Oct 2020

when both candidates essentially live in DC. I've been very supportive if the commission over the years but this failure to even consider doing these via video is weird.

dlk

(11,560 posts)
21. What has happened to our public safety duty?
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 10:06 AM
Oct 2020

Not just the debate commission but all Americans have a duty to protect each ourselves and each other. This gets lost in the noise.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
22. do you think Harris is held hostage by her staff?
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 10:09 AM
Oct 2020

You ask who on her staff is making these decisions as if she has no power to make the final call herself.

Do you really believe that?

karynnj

(59,502 posts)
25. They should demand a clear plexiglass or glass divider between Harris and Pence
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 10:58 AM
Oct 2020

Every grocery store I have been in (yeah - only two, but ...) have installed these between the clerk and the customer. If you BOTH had the 12 feet of distance and a clear divider between them it would seem harder for one to infect the other.

dlk

(11,560 posts)
32. The Debate Commission can change the venue
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 11:37 AM
Oct 2020

Her campaign can put the word out it’s not safe.

crickets

(25,963 posts)
33. I agree.
Sun Oct 4, 2020, 12:27 PM
Oct 2020

In person debates are not necessary. It's possible to have a virtual debate and they really should. If we've gotten to the point of moving podiums farther apart and debating plexiglass screens then the next thought is, how's the ventilation?

Given the number of staff who were infected during the prep phase at the last debate, it's not just about the safety of the candidates. Think of the chain of people, all the staff involved in getting either of them from home to the debate center: public spaces, planes, catering and dining, autos - all these situations involve other people who might be exposing one another. It doesn't have to happen that way. There is no need to throw all of these people together just to put on a show in person. Zoom debates - do it!

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