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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 04:52 PM

Jirel (1,928 posts)

Whoa. Pro-life evangelicals endorse Biden.

A group of anti-abortion evangelicals on Friday endorsed Joe Biden, saying that in areas other than abortion, the former vice president is more "pro-life" than President Trump.

"We believe that on balance, Joe Biden’s policies are more consistent with the biblically shaped ethic of life than those of Donald Trump," the group said in a statement. "Therefore, even as we continue to urge different policies on abortion, we urge evangelicals to elect Joe Biden as president."

The group, which includes several pastors formerly involved in Republican politics, former Christianity Today chairman John Huffman, and Jerushah Duford, the granddaughter of conservative evangelical leader Billy Graham, emphasized that while they remain opposed to abortion, Democratic policy proposals, such as "accessible health services for all citizens, affordable childcare, a minimum wage that lifts workers out of poverty" will reduce the number of abortions.


[link:https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biblically-balanced-agenda-anti-abortion-evangelicals-endorse-biden-over-trump?fbclid=IwAR3bGF86cNBHhSWzGeEGHcWx8lVP-bGmvyp-FJ0mqU9iIG4r0uEjCu226rM|]

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Reply Whoa. Pro-life evangelicals endorse Biden. (Original post)
 Jirel Oct 2020 OP
LineReply Pigs are flying
 wryter2000 Oct 2020 #1
LineLineReply Ummm-ber-elllas! Get yer umbrelas here!
 JHB Oct 2020 #5
LineLineReply ..
 roamer65 Oct 2020 #6
LineLineReply The mercury in hell says it's 30 degrees. n/t
 Laelth Oct 2020 #9
LineLineReply With Barrett confirmed
 DownriverDem Oct 2020 #31
LineReply OMG.
 roamer65 Oct 2020 #2
LineReply I saw a yard sign today in Nashville that said 'REPUBLICANS FOR BIDEN'
 spanone Oct 2020 #3
LineLineReply Wonder if Democrats should put up 'REPUBLICANS FOR BIDEN' signs in our yards.
 KS Toronado Oct 2020 #15
LineReply Wow. Affordable healthcare and decent wages beating out
 Lucky Luciano Oct 2020 #4
LineReply even the WP used "anti-abortion"
 barbtries Oct 2020 #7
LineLineReply Indeed. They are very much NOT pro life....
 paleotn Oct 2020 #19
LineLineReply Exactly!
 mountain grammy Oct 2020 #20
LineLineReply Forced Birthers
 Major Nikon Oct 2020 #33
LineReply Wow! Never thought I'd see this happen.
 NoRoadUntravelled Oct 2020 #8
LineReply A group of how many - 10?? There are 70+million catholics in US
 onetexan Oct 2020 #10
LineLineReply And not all follow the church's teaching...
 paleotn Oct 2020 #21
LineReply I think the reason for this is they need the crowds to fill their collection plates
 JI7 Oct 2020 #11
LineReply Whoa is right! Some Evangelicals who are into
 Cha Oct 2020 #12
LineReply With all due respect...
 regnaD kciN Oct 2020 #13
LineLineNew Reply These are probably the same few who voted for Hillary last time. nt.
 Mariana Oct 2020 #37
LineReply Wow, FINALLY, MAYBE, they are starting to see the light and starting to come around a little
 mtnsnake Oct 2020 #14
LineReply My own pro-life, very right-wing evangelical sister switched to Biden
 Silent3 Oct 2020 #16
LineLineReply Wow, I'm really impressed with your sister. It sounds like she really thought things through
 Crunchy Frog Oct 2020 #27
LineLineLineReply Yes, I hope it's not just a fluke bit of anecdotal data...
 Silent3 Oct 2020 #28
LineLineNew Reply I always wondered why
 Sgent Oct 2020 #38
LineLineLineNew Reply Abortion was effectively illegal throughout the US starting in 1873...
 Silent3 Oct 2020 #39
LineLineNew Reply Well, if you think about it Planned Parenthood is pro-life in the sincerest way:
 CTyankee Oct 2020 #42
LineReply So some of them DO have brains.
 mwb970 Oct 2020 #17
LineLineNew Reply Some even voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016.
 Mariana Oct 2020 #36
LineReply This pro-choice feminist also endorses Biden.
 Kath2 Oct 2020 #18
LineReply *Cough* Cough*
 Soph0571 Oct 2020 #22
LineReply There's Too Much Hysteria Over Abortion, and Not Enough Attention Paid to Abortion Prevention.
 panfluteman Oct 2020 #23
LineReply Message auto-removed
 Name removed Oct 2020 #24
LineReply Amy Barrett will soon make this issue much less important for evangelicals
 andym Oct 2020 #25
LineReply if true, here are some evangelicals that believe in some of the teachings of Christ instead of the
 samsingh Oct 2020 #26
LineReply A well, thought out assessment of PRO-LIFE policies. Good for them.
 Missn-Hitch Oct 2020 #29
LineReply This is exactly
Upthevibe Oct 2020 #30
LineReply ByeDon! Nt
 BootinUp Oct 2020 #32
LineNew Reply about time some of the ultra religous wake up
 mysteryowl Oct 2020 #34
LineNew Reply 19% of white Evangelical Christian voters went for Hillary in 2016.
 Mariana Oct 2020 #35
LineNew Reply But Donnie held a bible up in the air!
 Blue Owl Oct 2020 #40
LineNew Reply The Democratic Party would do itself a big favor with...
 WyattKansas Oct 2020 #41
LineNew Reply K&R
 MustLoveBeagles Oct 2020 #43

Response to Jirel (Original post)

Sun Oct 4, 2020, 04:54 PM

Star Member wryter2000 (45,683 posts)

1. Pigs are flying

Watch out for poop falling.

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 04:56 PM

Star Member JHB (36,929 posts)

5. Ummm-ber-elllas! Get yer umbrelas here!

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 04:56 PM

Star Member roamer65 (36,152 posts)

6. ..

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 04:56 PM

Laelth (32,017 posts)

9. The mercury in hell says it's 30 degrees. n/t

-Laelth

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 07:04 PM

Star Member DownriverDem (5,986 posts)

31. With Barrett confirmed

anti abortion folks won't need the repub party. I wondered if something like this would happen.

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 04:54 PM

Star Member roamer65 (36,152 posts)

2. OMG.

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 04:54 PM

Star Member spanone (134,459 posts)

3. I saw a yard sign today in Nashville that said 'REPUBLICANS FOR BIDEN'

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 05:36 PM

Star Member KS Toronado (13,702 posts)

15. Wonder if Democrats should put up 'REPUBLICANS FOR BIDEN' signs in our yards.

Making repugs question why a repug would vote for Biden, and maybe question why they plan on voting for tRump when other repugs are jumping ship. Think I'll make one, live in a very red town where they hate libtards.

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 04:55 PM

Lucky Luciano (11,138 posts)

4. Wow. Affordable healthcare and decent wages beating out

...the abortion issue. Color me shocked.

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 04:56 PM

Star Member barbtries (28,367 posts)

7. even the WP used "anti-abortion"

why didn't you?

Don't concede "pro-life" to women haters.

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:08 PM

Star Member paleotn (16,855 posts)

19. Indeed. They are very much NOT pro life....

About of as pro life as Fred Waterford in The Handmaid's Tale.

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:09 PM

Star Member mountain grammy (26,057 posts)

20. Exactly!

It's never been about pro life, never!

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 07:37 PM

Star Member Major Nikon (36,667 posts)

33. Forced Birthers

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 04:56 PM

NoRoadUntravelled (2,626 posts)

8. Wow! Never thought I'd see this happen.

nt

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 04:57 PM

onetexan (12,628 posts)

10. A group of how many - 10?? There are 70+million catholics in US

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:13 PM

Star Member paleotn (16,855 posts)

21. And not all follow the church's teaching...

on birth control or abortion. These people, however, are protestant evangelicals. There's at least as many of them as Catholics, and they tend to be more homogeneous in their orthodoxy. Cracks in that wall are surprising.

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 04:59 PM

Star Member JI7 (88,305 posts)

11. I think the reason for this is they need the crowds to fill their collection plates

but each votes counts the same so if these are votes Biden actually gets which would have been considered solid red before then it's good for us.

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 05:00 PM

Star Member Cha (289,567 posts)

12. Whoa is right! Some Evangelicals who are into

reality.. who knew!

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 05:01 PM

Star Member regnaD kciN (25,969 posts)

13. With all due respect...

...I suspect this is a tiny, tiny subset of evangelicals and, for the overwhelming majority, “pro-life” remains restricted to “outlawing abortion”; this the only permissible “Christian” vote will be to re-elect Trump.

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 07:55 PM

Mariana (14,691 posts)

37. These are probably the same few who voted for Hillary last time. nt.

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 05:16 PM

mtnsnake (22,236 posts)

14. Wow, FINALLY, MAYBE, they are starting to see the light and starting to come around a little

at least some of the more sensible ones anyway

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 05:44 PM

Star Member Silent3 (14,304 posts)

16. My own pro-life, very right-wing evangelical sister switched to Biden

It wasn't a direct switch. Sometime back in May she shocked me by saying she'd given up on Trump (not long after staunchly defending him about the injecting bleach craziness). It was the way Trump was encouraging anti-masking, anti-shutdown protests back then that was the final straw for her.

At that time she still was very anti-Democratic, and said she'd vote Libertarian or someone else, but not Biden.

Then somewhere along the line over the next few months, I don't know when, she'd gone all the way over to Biden. She'd even posted an article on her Facebook page about how Christians should feel OK voting for Democrats, and expressing disgust over Republicans manipulating Christians with the abortion issue.

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:33 PM

Star Member Crunchy Frog (26,362 posts)

27. Wow, I'm really impressed with your sister. It sounds like she really thought things through

and thoroughly reevaluated things. I hope that others are going through a similar process.

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:35 PM

Star Member Silent3 (14,304 posts)

28. Yes, I hope it's not just a fluke bit of anecdotal data...

...but a real signal of a deeper change.

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 10:00 PM

Sgent (5,841 posts)

38. I always wondered why

Evangelicals took their theology on abortion from the Pope. Catholicism is the only major religion that until the 1950's believed that a fetus was "ensouled" at conception, and protestants generally took a different view. Jews believe that a child is "ensouled" at first breath and the time between 40 days and birth the fetus is a potential life, but never given the status of an actual life if the mother is in danger.

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 10:22 PM

Star Member Silent3 (14,304 posts)

39. Abortion was effectively illegal throughout the US starting in 1873...

...according to this article: https://news.osu.edu/a-concise-history-of-the-us-abortion-debate/

...with the movement against abortions leading up to that starting in the mid 1800s.

Catholic teachings about ensoulment or not, I'd guess that abortion has long been viewed as a way to hide "immoral" conduct... and we can't have that! Using forced birth as a punishment for daring to have unsanctioned sex seems pretty twisted to me, but somewhere inside a lot of people, apparently, that sentiment is lurking. And it seems all too typical that the woman is the one who supposedly deserves the most punishment for it.

I imagine a few anti-abortionists really do care about embryos and fetuses as if they deserve the full status of legal and moral personhood, but given how many anti-abortion people are pro-war, pro-death penalty, pro-nearly-unregulated police use of lethal force, and don't give a damn about health care for everyone, it's hard to give many credit for any supposed moral high ground.

I don't think it was all that big of a partisan issue, however, or even super-important among many religious people in the US, until Republicans decided to cultivate it as a wedge issue.

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Mon Oct 5, 2020, 01:33 PM

Star Member CTyankee (62,679 posts)

42. Well, if you think about it Planned Parenthood is pro-life in the sincerest way:

we can differ religiously about when life starts, but we can also prevent unwanted pregnancies through expanded access to contraception.

These things are not hard to figure out if you are sane and open to factual information.

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 05:50 PM

Star Member mwb970 (11,140 posts)

17. So some of them DO have brains.

Verrrrrry interesting....

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 07:53 PM

Mariana (14,691 posts)

36. Some even voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016.

Not many, but some.

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:05 PM

Kath2 (2,950 posts)

18. This pro-choice feminist also endorses Biden.

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:14 PM

Soph0571 (9,685 posts)

22. *Cough* Cough*

I predicted exactly this!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214150545

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:16 PM

panfluteman (1,959 posts)

23. There's Too Much Hysteria Over Abortion, and Not Enough Attention Paid to Abortion Prevention.

If every expectant mother to be could be sure of a sufficient social safety net to take care of the child, there would be a lot fewer abortions.

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:26 PM

Star Member andym (5,343 posts)

25. Amy Barrett will soon make this issue much less important for evangelicals

as she is almost certain to repeal Roe v Wade.

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:26 PM

samsingh (17,370 posts)

26. if true, here are some evangelicals that believe in some of the teachings of Christ instead of the

majority that don't understand or care about the 10 Commandments.

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:37 PM

Missn-Hitch (1,383 posts)

29. A well, thought out assessment of PRO-LIFE policies. Good for them.

It will get a dozen or so folks to vote for Biden. LOL!!

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 06:43 PM

Star Member Upthevibe (7,256 posts)

30. This is exactly

what Elizabeth Neumann and Olivia Troye have been saying. They're the two (Christian) Republicans who left the current administration. They have stated that he's not pro-life at all based on his actions regarding COVID19 and the separation of families at the border...

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 07:34 PM

Star Member BootinUp (44,989 posts)

32. ByeDon! Nt

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 07:48 PM

Star Member mysteryowl (6,878 posts)

34. about time some of the ultra religous wake up

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Sun Oct 4, 2020, 07:52 PM

Mariana (14,691 posts)

35. 19% of white Evangelical Christian voters went for Hillary in 2016.

It's not really surprising that a few white Evangelicals would endorse Biden.

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Mon Oct 5, 2020, 01:19 PM

Star Member Blue Owl (47,429 posts)

40. But Donnie held a bible up in the air!

Are they telling us his stunt didn't work?

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Mon Oct 5, 2020, 01:29 PM

WyattKansas (1,648 posts)

41. The Democratic Party would do itself a big favor with...

Always dumping back in Republicans laps how abortion rates are effected by poverty rates and the well being of the middle and lower classes.

The Democratic Party actually annihilates all Republican policies and attacks, if they would just throw the facts back at them.

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Mon Oct 5, 2020, 07:44 PM

Star Member MustLoveBeagles (11,297 posts)

43. K&R

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