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Mon Oct 5, 2020, 11:55 AM

The Post Office has been ordered to obstruct voting by mail.

I went to my post office this morning to hand in my absentee ballot and the clerk informed me that they have been ordered to NOT process absentee ballots directly (by transferring them to the town clerks office directly) but must instead process them as regular mail. transferring them to the regional processing center.

The only reason for this order is delay and obstruct voting.

I am fucking furious.

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Reply The Post Office has been ordered to obstruct voting by mail. (Original post)
Voltaire2 Oct 2020 OP
sarcasmo Oct 2020 #1
mr_lebowski Oct 2020 #2
Voltaire2 Oct 2020 #11
mr_lebowski Oct 2020 #37
LeftInTX Oct 2020 #21
Midnight Writer Oct 2020 #33
KS Toronado Oct 2020 #3
triron Oct 2020 #4
peacebuzzard Oct 2020 #5
CurtEastPoint Oct 2020 #6
gristy Oct 2020 #10
Voltaire2 Oct 2020 #14
LeftInTX Oct 2020 #24
Voltaire2 Oct 2020 #31
LiberalArkie Oct 2020 #19
LisaL Oct 2020 #7
Voltaire2 Oct 2020 #32
gristy Oct 2020 #8
Voltaire2 Oct 2020 #15
Sogo Oct 2020 #26
Voltaire2 Oct 2020 #27
CrispyQ Oct 2020 #9
LisaL Oct 2020 #22
Codeine Oct 2020 #12
Voltaire2 Oct 2020 #16
PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2020 #25
CloudWatcher Oct 2020 #34
maxsolomon Oct 2020 #18
lagomorph777 Oct 2020 #13
ecstatic Oct 2020 #17
Voltaire2 Oct 2020 #20
ecstatic Oct 2020 #29
LisaL Oct 2020 #23
Vivienne235729 Oct 2020 #28
Maru Kitteh Oct 2020 #30
cry baby Oct 2020 #35
WyattKansas Oct 2020 #36

Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 11:57 AM

1. Dropped my ballot off at the city clerks, election drop box.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 11:58 AM

2. Do you know for sure that the previous policy was to transfer them directly in past elections? (nt)

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 12:06 PM

11. yes.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #11)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 04:12 PM

37. Thanks. Then this is pretty f'ed up. Any idea what can be done? (nt)

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 12:14 PM

21. In Bexar County, Texas the post offices are separating mail ballots from regular mail

And are sending them directly to the elections office and bypassing the main post office for sorting.

Obviously if someone is sending a mail ballot to another county or state etc, they can't do this.
I think we have 28 post offices here, so it takes one truck per day from each post office to deliver them to the elections office. Pretty good deal!

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 02:30 PM

33. We did when I worked for the Post Office.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 11:59 AM

3. Thank goodness the clerk informed you, I'd have made arrangements to hand deliver.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 11:59 AM

4. Where are you? Contact your Senator maybe or congress person.

Contact the media!

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 12:02 PM

5. In my county there is not a ballot drop box.

You cannot even walk in to the county election commission with your ballot.
It has to go by US mail.

I am voting early, and in-person. I do not trust the system here.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 12:04 PM

6. I don't think this has ever been the policy of the USPS. Please check and verify.

Their job is to deliver stamped mail

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Response to CurtEastPoint (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 12:05 PM

10. Correct. The OP is a false flag.

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Response to gristy (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 12:08 PM

14. um bullshit.

The PO clerk herself informed me that this was a change in policy, that previously they had transferred all absentee ballots directly from the post office to the town clerk.

Thanks anyway though.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 12:17 PM

24. They are presorting ballots at the local post offices in Bexar County

The ballots are being sent directly to the elections office and are bypassing the sorting facility

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #24)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 01:49 PM

31. I just got back from the town clerk's office.

She said the postmaster came in this morning and informed them that the post office was no longer directly transferring the ballots, and that they should expect an increase in in-person drop off and a delay in ballot delivery.

She was not happy.

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Response to CurtEastPoint (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 12:13 PM

19. In small towns, they will sort locally and then deliver.

But larger post offices probably send all to the regional sorting.

My whole county is only 10 thousand people and I think about 5 postoffices maybe a few more,

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 12:04 PM

7. Does your state have drop boxes?

NT

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Response to LisaL (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 01:49 PM

32. nope. Not allowed.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 12:04 PM

8. No. That the USPS should be doing what you are suggesting is surely false.

Regular mail. That is all that is needed and expected and promised.

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Response to gristy (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 12:10 PM

15. This is a local post office in a small town.

And in prior elections, including our primary in September, they processed all absentee ballots locally.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #15)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 12:24 PM

26. How "small" of a small town?

In my small town, the courthouse is three blocks from the Post Office. No way would I take it to the PO, when I could take it directly to the courthouse....

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Response to Sogo (Reply #26)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 12:29 PM

27. Small enough that there is one post office and the town clerk is only open 2.5 days a week.

The only reason for the order to not expedite ballots is to obstruct the vote.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 12:05 PM

9. Call your rep & senators, your local democratic office, & your local media stations.

Please make these calls! Post on FB, Nextdoor, wherever, & let people know!

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 12:16 PM

22. Know what?

That post office is treating ballots as mail?

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 12:08 PM

12. They deliver mail as mail.

 

It’s not reasonable to expect direct delivery without moving through a processing center. Besides, the election is a month away — you’ve got time.

If you’re worried drop it directly at the clerk’s office yourself.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 12:12 PM

16. Of course it is.

There is zero reason in a small town to move local mail to a regional center to have it shipped back to the same local post office.

But I'll go with the Post Office clerk who stated it was a change in policy ordered by the PO administration.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #16)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 12:22 PM

25. That sort of thing happens all the time with regular mail.

I live in Santa Fe, and my understanding that something mailed in Santa Fe to be delivered to a Santa Fe address goes to Albuquerque to be processed. And always has.

You have dropped your ballot off a month before election day. I think you have nothing to worry about. Does your state allow you to track your ballot?

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #16)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 02:47 PM

34. This change happened several years ago here.

Our local PO used to have two drop-offs, one for "local" mail and one for "out of town" mail.

A few years ago they merged them. Now all mail goes to Denver for processing and then (if appropriate) comes back.

I was initially puzzled, but then assumed it was due to security. They wanted all the mail to go through the giant sorting machines in Denver ... to get pictures of them.

Still a stupid reason, but at least there was a reason.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 12:13 PM

18. I always thought our ballots in WA were processed as mail. Never gave it a 2nd thought.

We used to have to put postage on them because that was what it took to get Republican cooperation in passing the system through the State Senate. Now we don't, because the state GOP has even less power now than it did then.

The election is 4+ weeks away. Any ballot that goes through the mail now, with 1st class postage, is going to make it there in plenty of time.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 12:08 PM

13. Bring it to your town clerk yourself. Don't let DeJerk touch it.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 12:12 PM

17. I didn't know that was possible

to just drop it off at the post office? I guess it's a good thing I didn't know, now that it's no longer allowed. lol

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #17)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 12:14 PM

20. oh please read more carefully

You could always and still can drop off your ballot at the post office. My local small town post office has been ordered to stop processing ballots directly and instead ship them off to the regional center. T

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #20)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 01:08 PM

29. Ok. I thought you were referring to dropping

off at the PO with no stamp.

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #17)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 12:17 PM

23. You can go to the post office to have it send as regular mail.

Post office is not the same as an official ballot drop off box.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 12:54 PM

28. Oh wow. That is terrible!!

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 01:33 PM

30. Mine is going straight to the county ballot collection box

I'll support the post office some other way.


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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 03:16 PM

35. Kick for visibility

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Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)

Mon Oct 5, 2020, 03:27 PM

36. Funny how Republicans always claim to be spreading democracy around the world,

Using democracy as an excuse for a war, and deregulating everything for our democracy, but Republicans immediately slam into strict regulated Republic mode when it comes to allowing their own Citizens vote.

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