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hlthe2b

(102,138 posts)
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 06:22 AM Oct 2020

The Man Who Pretended Not to Notice A fly landed on Mike Pence's head... he did nothing. (Atlantic)

Perfect analogy...

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/what-vp-debate-was-like-sound-off/616654/

“It’s a visual medium.” So often said the late Roger Ailes about television. He said it to justify hiring women who looked a certain way and requiring them to dress a certain way. Ailes’s abuse of the saying does not make it any less true. The most striking thing about the Pence-Harris debate was nothing that was said. It was what we saw.

We saw a vice president with a pale face, his mouth cankered by a cold sore, his eyes pink. He looked unwell, which evoked the pandemic that has gripped America—a pandemic through which the Trump White House has modeled the most irresponsible and unsafe behavior. That irresponsible and unsafe behavior has sickened the president and the first lady, forced the joint chiefs of staff into quarantine, and spread infection though the West Wing. This White House is notorious for non-transparency and untruthfulness. The president evaded a COVID-19 test before the September 29 debate in Cleveland—a date by which he very probably knew he was infected and infectious. Everybody watching tonight’s debate had to wonder: What’s going on with the vice president? At one point, Pence was at least the titular head of the White House COVID-19 response. He defied safety protocols too. He notably refused to wear a mask on a visit to the Mayo Clinic in April, despite the hospital’s clear rule that he must.

We saw a vice president who had internalized the Trump White House’s culture of disrespect, and especially disrespect to women. He talked over Kamala Harris and the moderator, Susan Page; he ignored the rules of the debate to which he agreed. At the core of the Trump political project is the reassertion of dominance over the historically dominated by the historically dominant. That reassertion of dominance was Pence’s supreme project at this debate too. Pence did not imitate his boss’s manic and undisciplined—and ultimately catastrophically unsuccessful—style of dominance. Instead, he brought to this debate the more measured and controlled disdain of a man who had considered the matter carefully—and decided that the woman in front of him had no right to control him and that the woman to his right did not deserve to be onstage with him. With the sound on, you heard Page trying and failing to summon Pence to order with a repeated, “Mr. Vice President, Mr. Vice President.” With the sound off, you saw Harris—a vice-presidential nominee, a U.S. senator, a former attorney general of the largest state in the nation—obliged to smile and smile in an effort to assert herself without seeming … well, you know, without seeming something that might offend somebody. Pence never worried about offending anybody. And he did not feel the need to smile when asserting himself.

We saw a weird moment where a fly landed on Pence’s snow-white hair—and the vice president did not react at all. No doubt, it’s a conundrum, what to do in such a situation. If Pence shooed the fly and the fly refused to shoo, that would be bad. So he did nothing. And that doing nothing somehow in one powerful visual moment concentrated everything. It symbolized the whole Pence vice presidency, the determined, willful refusal to acknowledge the most blaring and glaring negative realities. Through all of the scandals and the crimes and the disasters of the past four years, Mike Pence was the man who pretended not to notice. And now there was a fly on his head, and he pretended not to notice that too.


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The Man Who Pretended Not to Notice A fly landed on Mike Pence's head... he did nothing. (Atlantic) (Original Post) hlthe2b Oct 2020 OP
Insightful North Shore Chicago Oct 2020 #1
Flies are attracted to shit, excuse the vulgarity, but appropriate in this case. olegramps Oct 2020 #16
Which is why showing Obama killing a fly and shooing one is so effective malaise Oct 2020 #2
An excellent piece of writing once again in the Atlantic. llmart Oct 2020 #3
there is a trade for which he is jack? cab67 Oct 2020 #10
Why, yes. Yes, there is. llmart Oct 2020 #11
Jack shit. yardwork Oct 2020 #23
There was a sign there.... zed nada Oct 2020 #4
KNR Lucinda Oct 2020 #5
A new winged superhero for our times... Fyrefox Oct 2020 #6
Audacious Fly...I like that BunnyMcGee Oct 2020 #12
A fly is nothing when you've been forced to be submissive to Trump for 4 years Buckeyeblue Oct 2020 #7
Spot on ananda Oct 2020 #8
Psycho/Hitchcock Jetheels Oct 2020 #9
He had the attitude. Pence showed those 'uppity' women that they could wait for him to finish. keithbvadu2 Oct 2020 #13
i'm guessing irl, he finishes a lot faster. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #19
His dissing Page made me livid! It was such an example of male arrogance. nt LAS14 Oct 2020 #32
pence actually knew the fly was there & Cha Oct 2020 #14
well, w that hair helmet mebbe he didnt. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #20
Yeah, I was thinking he didn't notice.. Cha Oct 2020 #22
were there monitors that they could see? you would think there would be. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #28
Looks like everyone pretended not to Cha Oct 2020 #31
Where else is a Fly supposed to Land? 4Q2u2 Oct 2020 #15
Did you see any dung beetles exiting Pence's nostrils or ear cavities ? magicarpet Oct 2020 #36
"Break me off a piece of that shit shat bar" chriscan64 Oct 2020 #41
Bon Aperitif,... would you like a big roll of toilet paper with your food order ? magicarpet Oct 2020 #42
If you had asked that four months ago, Totally Tunsie Oct 2020 #45
Amen Joinfortmill Oct 2020 #17
Read this again: Ponietz Oct 2020 #18
I saw that.. I agree with Frum on that.. Cha Oct 2020 #25
Yup.. It is hardly questionable hlthe2b Oct 2020 #30
Pence was wearing a wig /toupee. He couldn't feel the fly. ecstatic Oct 2020 #21
Yeah, if pence had a toupee on.. then Cha Oct 2020 #26
It looked gross. That fly was big Roc2020 Oct 2020 #24
The author is David Frum - speechwriter for George W. Bush. yardwork Oct 2020 #27
I gotta say, it never crossed my mind that he knew the fly was there. nt LAS14 Oct 2020 #29
If he didn't know, it would have to have been due to wearing a toupe or so much hair product hlthe2b Oct 2020 #40
I just wished another one landed on his lips. flies smell disease he looked sick. nt bonniebgood Oct 2020 #33
Black Flies Matter. . . DinahMoeHum Oct 2020 #34
The dead hooker that is now rotting, the Republican Party and Pence chained themselves to... WyattKansas Oct 2020 #35
A Fly For Our Times. dchill Oct 2020 #37
That's well done greenjar_01 Oct 2020 #38
Dude is like the walking dead anyway IronLionZion Oct 2020 #39
So I'm guessing he didn't even know jimlup Oct 2020 #43
Love it! ZZenith Oct 2020 #44

llmart

(15,533 posts)
3. An excellent piece of writing once again in the Atlantic.
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 06:52 AM
Oct 2020

Pence = the do-nothing VP. Jack of all trades, master of none.

Same thing goes for the criminal Kushner.

Fyrefox

(300 posts)
6. A new winged superhero for our times...
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 07:08 AM
Oct 2020

During the debate, we witnessed the birth of a new superhero, for that was no ordinary fly...that was Audacious Fly! The religious far right probably expected to see the Holy Spirit in the form of a dove descending upon Mike Pence to sanctify him, and instead they got Audacious Fly, calling Pence out for the self-righteous Trump toadie that he is, and making him look foolish...

Audacious Fly...small but mighty! Let those who bear his mark beware...

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
7. A fly is nothing when you've been forced to be submissive to Trump for 4 years
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 07:08 AM
Oct 2020

In SNLs skit of the debate, the fly should be turned into a character. It should have the face of Trump and be whispering answers into Pence's ear.

At some point, the fly as Trump character should say, those expiramental drugs are better than we thought.

And of course there would be plenty of flies landing on shit jokes.

ananda

(28,836 posts)
8. Spot on
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 07:16 AM
Oct 2020

Frum describes Pence to a tee, along with
the entire Trump/WH culture that he was
emulating and representing...

and it didn’t look good. Basically, white men
have to be dominant, and others have to ..erm..
know their place.

But the fly and Pence’s obnoxious behavior put an end
to that. Also, Pence did not look well, and it’s
possible that the attitude of disdain and disrespect
for other people, and most significantly for the
virus, will also bring him down.

We can see it as a kind of personal and cultural
hubris in the kind of tragedy that actually looks
like a really bad telenovela.

It’s just sad that Harris had to sit in the same
room as the sick representative of a whole
culture that puts the their lives and the lives
of others at risk.

keithbvadu2

(36,667 posts)
13. He had the attitude. Pence showed those 'uppity' women that they could wait for him to finish.
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 07:54 AM
Oct 2020

He had the attitude. Pence showed those 'uppity' women that they could wait for him to finish.

Cha

(296,867 posts)
14. pence actually knew the fly was there &
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 07:55 AM
Oct 2020

did nothing?! Instead acted like he was dangerously Unobservant?

That's stupid.. no foresight that he would be the Mockery of the Internet.

Too busy being an Asshole to notice the black fly choosing his white hair to buzz around in..

What a look for a loser.

Cha

(296,867 posts)
31. Looks like everyone pretended not to
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 08:42 AM
Oct 2020

notice & pence didn't have a clue.

Someone posted that pence was wearing a toupee.. said they figured it out before the Fly & the Fly confirmed it. Bizarre!

 

4Q2u2

(1,406 posts)
15. Where else is a Fly supposed to Land?
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 07:58 AM
Oct 2020

When you are a big pile of steaming shit.
Where do you think a Fly is going to land?
I am just surprised there was not a swarm.

magicarpet

(14,121 posts)
36. Did you see any dung beetles exiting Pence's nostrils or ear cavities ?
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 09:21 AM
Oct 2020

That would be excellent confirmation of the steaming pile of shit theorem.



Ponietz

(2,939 posts)
18. Read this again:
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 08:15 AM
Oct 2020

“This White House is notorious for non-transparency and untruthfulness. The president evaded a COVID-19 test before the September 29 debate in Cleveland—a date by which he very probably knew he was infected and infectious.”

Just 24 hours ago that was “scurrilous speculation” and a bridge too far for some people—I know, I tried to broach the subject. All the facts point to the Dump Corp. appearing at the debate with the intent to expose Joe. Guess it’ll be common knowledge and belief by this afternoon.

ecstatic

(32,653 posts)
21. Pence was wearing a wig /toupee. He couldn't feel the fly.
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 08:18 AM
Oct 2020

I figured that out last night, before the fly emerged. The fly just confirmed it.

Cha

(296,867 posts)
26. Yeah, if pence had a toupee on.. then
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 08:26 AM
Oct 2020

no way.. & I guess it was a quiet little super Fly.

How strange.

Roc2020

(1,613 posts)
24. It looked gross. That fly was big
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 08:21 AM
Oct 2020

and nasty. the fly was a sickening summary of Trump administration. The only thing people will remember from this 'debate' is the fly

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
27. The author is David Frum - speechwriter for George W. Bush.
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 08:27 AM
Oct 2020

The Republicans are turning their rhetorical skills against Trump and his re-election campaign.

I'm 60 and I don't think that I've ever seen this happen before, where long-time leaders of one party turn against their sitting president to prevent his re-election. I hope it works.

Frum and the Lincoln project crew and all the rest will be back attacking Democrats as soon as Trump is out of office. I hope we learn from them.

hlthe2b

(102,138 posts)
40. If he didn't know, it would have to have been due to wearing a toupe or so much hair product
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 09:52 AM
Oct 2020

that nothing moved.

WyattKansas

(1,648 posts)
35. The dead hooker that is now rotting, the Republican Party and Pence chained themselves to...
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 09:21 AM
Oct 2020

Has been swarming with flies, but the smell is even getting to some of the flies that need to get away for a breather and moved to Mike Pence when he went to a clean environment.

Republicans have been attempting to revive the dead hooker by injecting it with steroids and Vitamoxin, but that only caused a spewing of toxic gas that erupted like Mount St. Helens. It is reported that the decay and stench is so bad, that the Republican Party has become ground zero for the Super Spreader Dead Hooker tRUMP Virus Outbreak at the Supreme Court nomination announcement.

Republicans have now conceded that they need to find a way to make 'Remember the Dead Hooker' catchy for it's base. Some are trying write songs about the Super Spreader Dead Hooker tRUMP Virus Outbreak, but it isn't playing well to their Evangelical followers.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
39. Dude is like the walking dead anyway
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 09:29 AM
Oct 2020

and he definitely looks sick of something, whether it's COVID or being Trump's VP or both.

But the whole concept of letting Americans make their own choices because of freedom doesn't work when they provide false information and some people are recklessly spreading the virus to others without a second thought.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
43. So I'm guessing he didn't even know
Thu Oct 8, 2020, 11:01 PM
Oct 2020

he's pretty oblivious to reality why would a fly matter even a little? We could obviously see it, he couldn't see or feel it. My guess is he didn't even know until after.

And that symbolizes the current situation exactly. He can't even FUCKIN See it!

ZZenith

(4,115 posts)
44. Love it!
Fri Oct 9, 2020, 02:25 AM
Oct 2020

That’s great writing - powerful and true and precise.

Let’s put that on his headstone:

“Michael Richard Pence

Vice President

A man with the determined, willful refusal to acknowledge the most blaring and glaring negative realities. Through all of the scandals and the crimes and the disasters, Mike Pence was the man who pretended not to notice. And then there was a fly on his head, and he pretended not to notice that too.“

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