AARP sending out two emails today please...please forward...shocking...no Medicare and SS

[cr8tvlde]

questions in the debate. WTF? Jim Lehrer is from Public Broadcasting Corp, not Fox News. This is shocking. Please click on the link and VOTE. I just did it again. Thank you.

Thank you for calling on Jim Lehrer and the Commission for Presidential Debates to include questions about Medicare and Social Security in the first presidential debate on October 3rd.
But we don't have much time to make our voices heard, and we need to make a lot of noise if we want Jim Lehrer and the Commission to pay attention. Will you help us up the pressure by asking your friends and family to take action too? It's easy – just forward the message below.
Thanks for making your voice heard,
Fred
________________________________________
I almost can't believe it. The topics for the first presidential debate have been announced – and Medicare and Social Security are not included!
Whoever wins in November will be making big decisions about the future of these programs, and we deserve to know where they stand.
I just sent a letter to moderator Jim Lehrer and the Commission for Presidential Debates, telling them to make sure questions about Medicare and Social Security are part of the debate on October 3rd. Will you speak out too? Here's the link:
http://action.aarp.org/site/Advocacy?pagename=homepage&id=2482&autologin=true

[Skittles]

1. maybe there is no debating them

maybe it's a done deal they are on the hit list

[dogman]

28. You could be right.

Rmoney would just tell more lies and President Obama has hinted at concessions. Rmoney's lies would be nothing new and the President might not want to make a clear pledge if he still believes in the grand bargain.

[Egalitarian Thug]

38. I hadn't read your reply when I wrote #35. kick. n/t

[pacalo]

2. I'm happy to sign. This is unbelievable.

[bigdarryl]

3. Presidential debates have become a JOKE

Not only should they bring up those issues but also voter suppression and I'm willing to bet this issue won't be discussed in any of the debates

[cr8tvlde]

6. I'll be OK with Medicare and Social Security for now.

With all due respect, what else do we do ... smile, sit back, and hope?

For many people, like elections and such, they are not a joke. Like the conventions, this is sometimes the only first hand, so to speak, exposure many have to the candidates and their likely actions as President.

[Permanut]

4. Done.. K & R

Thanks for the alert, Cr8.

[riderinthestorm]

5. K&R nt

[Kablooie]

7. Might the be scheduled for one of the other debates?

[Honeycombe8]

8. What are the topics? nt

[gkhouston]

11. ...

From http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/19/jim-lehrer-first-presidential-debate-topics_n_1897882.html

Lehrer said the first three segments will focus on the economy. The last three segments will focus on "health care, the role of government, and governing."

[Honeycombe8]

16. Well, SS & Medicare would come under the heading of "economy" for sure. Medicare would also

come under the health care category.

[gkhouston]

18. Yes, they might, but since they aren't specifically mentioned, I'm expecting

at most one question for each program. We could have an entire debate solely on the future of Medicare and Social Security, and if it were a true debate and not a beauty contest, the candidate's answers would illuminate their approach to the economy, health care, the role of government, etc. Not mentioning Medicare by name when it's been such a hot issue makes me this will be a joint press conference and not a debate.

[cr8tvlde]

20. That was my take exactly...you put it into better words.

[Selatius]

21. I think once the League of Women Voters got out of moderating debates, the debates lost quality.

Now the debate mechanism is a bipartisan thing, as opposed to one moderated and controlled by a neutral third party.

[freshwest]

23. +1,000.

[gkhouston]

25. I agree completely. n/t

[gkhouston]

9. Done. n/t

[lonestarnot]

10. K & R!

[Zalatix]

12. SIGNED!!!

[ohheckyeah]

13. Done. n/t

[rhett o rick]

14. I wish it would make a difference. These "debates" are not debates. They are dog and pony shows

put on by the oligarchy owned media.

[cr8tvlde]

19. So it seems, but at least maybe we can sponsor either the dog or the pony?

Some people will watch, I must believe, and make a decision to vote for sanity. I know the DNC was a great uplifting time and hope that continues through the debates to the voting booth.

[fadedrose]

15. I like universal health care & steps towards full employment...

[golfguru]

31. Universal healthcare makes sense but not full employment

The Soviets tried that and it was a dismal failure. How do you propose to create full employment? By gov't decree? Gov't can't hire more people than what taxpayers pay in. So the solution lies in creating more tax payers.

[robinlynne]

17. k&r and done.

[sabrina 1]

22. Ssshhh, it's election season. We are not supposed to talk about ISSUES right now!

And here is a perfect example of this tactic. Silence the people, but give free reign to Big Corporate Lobbyists. And I'm sure the privatizers are busy in DC right now, trying to get support for privatizing SS and Medicare. But we are told to just 'stfu and vote'.

Good for AARP for not allowing this to happen. People want an affirmation from these politicians that they will not touch SS, other than maybe raise the cap and create jobs which will take care of any problems with SS for the next 75 years.

I hope they get their questions addressed. This is an issue of primary importance to almost every American.

[Aeroette]

24. Done K&R

Thanks for getting this out!

[Cha]

26. And, hopefully when the Debate is in The Town Hall Meeting

Forum..some enterprising people will raise that question to mitt romney.

[Jack Sprat]

27. Thanks.

I'm a member but I wasn't aware of this. I guess I should have signed up for email alerts.

[glinda]

29. Global warming is the biggest issue and it is not listed as usual.

[snappyturtle]

30. Done and Thank YOU! nt

[Th1onein]

32. Done and kicked. nt

[Riverman]

33. Obama can answer any question by talking about what he wants to address including Medicare and SS.

[demgrrrll]

34. done

[Egalitarian Thug]

35. OK, for those of you that are still clinging to the forlorn hope that the Democrats are going to

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preserve Social Security and save Medicare;

Now hear this. It is a done deal.
The people that decide have decided that they are going to take that money from you, period.
There is no debate, this is the way it is going to be.
You will be allowed you to scream and cry, argue and debate, and endlessly scheme over how much and how fast, but they are going to take it.
Get used to it, or decide that this is the issue you are willing to die for, because they are more than happy to kill for it.

[dkf]

39. Any system where you receive $100,000-$300,000 more than you contributed is not sustainable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fig._169_-_Net_lifetime_Medicare_benefits.JPG

[WinkyDink]

41. You mean like the US military?

[Egalitarian Thug]

43. Unless it's a 401(k), IRA, etc. Right? n/t

[dkf]

45. That is invested. Contributions that are spent are not going to grow.

The numbers quoted are adjusted to constant dollars too.

[Egalitarian Thug]

46. Uh-huh.

Same old - same old.

[Doctor_J]

44. Except in every other developed nation in the world

American Exceptionalism

[WinkyDink]

40. O, FGS. Get a reality grip.

[Egalitarian Thug]

42. That is reality. Has been for quite some time. Sorry you can't see it. I'm sure you will be shocked

when it's done.

I'm pretty sure god doesn't have anything to do with it, though. If you believe the stories, She usually comes down on the side of the little people.

[bvar22]

47. That is how I see it too.

The Grand Bargain will go into effect after the election.
The dismantling of SS has already begun with the Trojan Horse attack on its funding called the "Temporary Payroll Tax Holiday".
The next step is a reduction in benefits called the CPI.

The current batch of "New Democrats" are not your father's Democrats.

---bvar22
a mainstream, center FDR/LBJ Working Class Democrat of 46 years
NOW a "Fringe Leftist" in today's New Democrat Centrist Party.
I haven't changed.

[CrispyQ]

49. Agreed.

Austerity is coming to America no matter who wins.

[just1voice]

36. You mean this AARP, the one with Bush on the cover of it's magazine?

I don't think the AARP deserves any kind of respect or consideration when they publish a magazine like this:

http://www.laprogressive.com/aarp-bush-cover/

[cr8tvlde]

48. Well, I'm good with my voice on Medicare and SS going on a huge email list to the candidates

makes my voice louder. Especially after the seniors booed Ryan, every single click is a vote, in a way, for Obama. Many of them voted for Bush, but it is allowed to change one's political leaning. Thanks to R&R it's happening to a lot. AARP just notified them that their benefits are in danger...that's bipartisan and reaches a whole lot who might not have voted.

[lamp_shade]

37. DONE...

[cr8tvlde]

50. They are now saying Paul Ryan is a drag on the ticket..we must keep his greedy hands off Medicare/SS

Like every government program, it needs tweaking at the very least. But starting with cutting off the extra payments, essentially to the insurance brokers, is a start. Seems both sides agree on that. But what to do with the savings is the matter under debate. I'll trust Obama...not Ryan...to do the best for our seniors and seniors-to-be.