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Sat Oct 24, 2020, 09:33 AM

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So when Biden gets in January, I have one question that we all want to answer. Should we all stock up on food for two weeks for a TRUE and ENFORCED shutdown of the country?

This is how I believe a true shutdown would work to get the virus stopped:

I feel everything would need to be shutdown, including food stores, post offices, and gas stations. Police and military would be sleeping at their units, medical personnel would stay at their work places for the two weeks. Anyone sick, would only be traveling to the doctor. Anyone else would be violating shutdown orders would fined $1000. AND quarantine at a police or military hold during the shutdown.

Something has to change!

Thoughts to this insane idea?

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Response to Smackdown2019 (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 09:44 AM

1. We should have a national 21 and done campaign

Everyone quarantines for 21 days. Give a 30 day notice and every family gets 2K per person to prepare.

Then we shut down as much of the country as possible for 21 days.

After that we require masks in public. Everyone coming into the country gets tested.

If we do that we might be able to start returning to normal.

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Response to Buckeyeblue (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 10:22 AM

2. Reality is this

Trumpers would use it as a civil war excuse. My area is like 8 trumpers out of 10 in my rural county. People dont know how to cook either.

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Response to Smackdown2019 (Reply #2)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 12:47 PM

7. I know. In some ways Biden's hands are tied because of Trump's mismanagement

And you're right. People don't cook. I'm amazed at the money people spend eating in restaurants where the food is just not that good.

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Response to Smackdown2019 (Reply #2)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 01:12 PM

10. I agree. A true shutdown will just cause problems that Joe doesn't need

to deal with to solve the problem. I believe uniform mask wearing while in public will have a massive positive impact.

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Response to Smackdown2019 (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 11:26 AM

3. NO, by Jan. 4th Congress should have already set the tone

assuming a best case scenario, the course should be well established by the time Joe gets to the oval office to start signing the new legislation. Joe, Kamala, Nancy, and Dick should be seen working closely as a team by Thanksgiving to bring this Genocide to a halt.
The hope must be that actions that can be taken, will be taken to at least flatten the curve long before Joe and Kamala are sworn in.

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Response to Smackdown2019 (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 11:28 AM

4. Probably should have that anyway, but I doubt there will be a national shutdown...

It would probably be enough to have a mask mandate and limited gatherings.

Let the shutdowns be local, city by city or state by state.

Keep restricting travel.

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Response to Smackdown2019 (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 11:28 AM

5. You should already have a well prepared stockpile of food and supplies.

You never know when some sort of natural disaster will strike. Further, there is risk of unrest between now and Biden being sworn in.

The most hardcore MAGA extremists are not going to take kindly to Trump losing and he’s going to tell them that Biden’s victory was a “DEEP STATE COUP. RIGGED ELECTION.”

At a minimum make sure your pantry and freezer is stocked and have the means to purify water.

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Response to Smackdown2019 (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 12:00 PM

6. 4-6 weeks.

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Response to Smackdown2019 (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 01:02 PM

8. He doesn't need to shut down the country for one day.

What Joe can do is work with all businesses to set mask wearing rules inside the businesses, and work with local governments on enforcement of those rules.

For places like existing restaurants, he can have the Small Business Administration provide funds so that they can modernize their air handling systems. For Schools, he can have the Department of Education provide funds to allow them to update their air handling systems and set up temporary classrooms to spread students out.

I had an eye exam yesterday. The place didn’t let any person in who was not wearing a mask properly. Everyone got a temperature check before they were allowed to move to the examination area. All Doctors wore masks and wiped down all patient contact points between patients. The place was busy, but I felt totally safe being in there. There was one apparent Trumper near me who was quietly whining, but he had a choice, wear his mask properly or get his ass kicked out of the Doctor’s office.

So, in summary, Joe doesn’t have to shut down on a national scale, but should be firm about locking down areas that exceed a certain weekly positivity metric, waiting a month to shut such areas down is too long.

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Response to Smackdown2019 (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 01:02 PM

9. He doesn't need to shut down the country for one day.

What Joe can do is work with all businesses to set mask wearing rules inside the businesses, and work with local governments on enforcement of those rules.

For places like existing restaurants, he can have the Small Business Administration provide funds so that they can modernize their air handling systems. For Schools, he can have the Department of Education provide funds to allow them to update their air handling systems and set up temporary classrooms to spread students out.

I had an eye exam yesterday. The place didn’t let any person in who was not wearing a mask properly. Everyone got a temperature check before they were allowed to move to the examination area. All Doctors wore masks and wiped down all patient contact points between patients. The place was busy, but I felt totally safe being in there. There was one apparent Trumper near me who was quietly whining, but he had a choice, wear his mask properly or get his ass kicked out of the Doctor’s office.

So, in summary, Joe doesn’t have to shut down on a national scale, but should be firm about locking down areas that exceed a certain weekly positivity metric, waiting a month to shut such areas down is too long.

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Response to Smackdown2019 (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 06:40 PM

11. No to *TOTAL* shutdown longer than a few days.

Critical parts of the overall infrastructure need to be maintained. Police, fire and EMS aren't going anywhere without fuel. Staffing the 9-1-1 center is critical. Life flight aircraft need regular maintenance and routine prep to be ready to fly. Air traffic controller centers need to be staffed. Prisons need staff and don't have facilities to house corrections officers for weeks. Doctor's offices and hospitals need support staff that are neither doctors nor nurses. Equipment like ventilators needs servicing, cleaning and repairs.

Refineries probably have support staff that are critical such as security. Same goes for electric and gas utilities. Ports and other depots need to staffed with security, warehouse workers, longshoremen and others because food that people need to eat arrives on a daily basis and everything perishable will rot and breed vermin and disease if not handled.

Farms and dairies need regular transport of the raw output handled and brought to market.

I would think having cops, fire and medical staff working, eating, sleeping and recreating in closer proximity than normal to each other while dealing criminals, the sick and injured and people experiencing an emergency would increase the spread of disease.

IMHO the federal role in this should be:
- supporting people when they are laid off or furloughed,
- working with states to prepare better for emergencies like pandemics and terrorism,
- develop backup infrastructures to be available for times when a utility or service had to shut down,
- financing the development of vaccines, treatments, medications and equipment,
- more that I can't think of....

Over the last hundred years homes and factories have shifted their reliance to more and more electricity and other types of infrastructure. We aren't prepared for emergencies like this.

Lots of large families living in smaller homes and apartments may not have the money to buy 2 weeks of food ahead nor anywhere in their homes to put it.

We need a lot of help.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #11)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 06:52 PM

12. I disagree

Yes fuel infrastructure is needed, but those depending on fuel for emergency services usually have their own fuel tanks rather buying for the local 7-11 store. Prison guards will have the toughest endurance to deal with, but liv8ng quarters could be brought in. Campers could work for that. I am not saying this will be easy, but something has to be done. Infrastructure employees that keep lights on and other must jobs, need to be housed.

I nearly flipped last spring when a local flooring producer gave his employees papers HE written they were essential employees. Sorry, but all factories should be shutdown to stop the spread when this, if it does happen.

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Response to Smackdown2019 (Reply #12)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 07:33 PM

13. We can agree to disagree and I'm not sure we're very far apart on...

...which workers are actually essential. A thought I had that might help is to mini-shutdown every Wednesday. Also, for those essential functions have people work 4 10-hour days in rotation with their coworkers. Cut the number density of those onsite by 20% even for the essential folks.

Without question lots can be done. For the violators that keep their widget factories and gyms open, there is a bounty for employees or customers to rat out the business and fines for the operators. The authority for dealing with emergencies (like a pandemic) usually rests with governors of the states. Violators who don't comply can certainly have their day in court whether it's for their argument that they shouldn't be closed or for the adjudication of their criminal charges but those who disregard those orders should have them enforced by the state police or national guard.

Have nice night.

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Response to Smackdown2019 (Original post)

Sat Oct 24, 2020, 07:37 PM

14. What did South Korea do? Do that.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/08/200810141006.htm

The Three Major Keys to South Korea's Success

South Korea conducted rigorous and extensive epidemiologic field investigations for coronavirus cases. This process included interviews with patients and triangulation of multiple sources of information (e.g., medical records, credit card and GPS data). The Institute for Future Government's survey in 2020 found that 84% of South Koreans accept the loss of privacy as a necessary tradeoff for public health security.

South Korea is a democratic unitary political system. The local governments have limited autonomy and its public health governance is centralized, enabling South Korean agencies to act quickly to implement policy decisions at the local level. After the MERS outbreak in 2015, the South Korean government expanded legal and administrative boundaries regarding pandemic responses, enabling public administration to acknowledge the different procedures. For example, the Infectious Disease Control and Prevention Act was amended significantly to prevent infectious disease and secure the public's right to know through surveillance and tracing techniques.

Lastly, the public health budget and flexible fiscal management systems allowed the South Korean government to provide adequate resources. The South Korean government and national health insurance program shouldered the full cost of coronavirus testing, quarantine, and treatment for Korean citizens and noncitizens. Furthermore, on March 17, 2020, the South Korean Legislature passed the supplementary budget of 11.7 trillion KRW ($10.1 billion) in 12 days. The Korean Ministry of Health and Welfare's (KMHW) supplementary budget passed in March 2020 is 3.7 trillion KRW ($3.2 billion), which enabled the KMHW to increase COVID-19 prevention and treatment facilities and to support medical institutions and workers.

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