Do we know for certain that Trump had the Covid-19?

[kentuck]

Yes, we saw him get on his helicopter and fly to the hospital. We saw him leave the hospital early and take his mask off, on the balcony of the White House. He hear him brag about how he got it and he was able to beat it.

But, we saw no X-rays or evaluations of his medical condition? We saw Doctors that refused to comment on his condition. With his penchant for lying and manipulation, we do not know for sure if he had the virus? And if he did have it, was it just a mild case?

We were told that he demanded the drugs that the Doctors gave him during his "treatment". They were not necessarily given to him because he was in critical condition.

The one thing we do know for certain is that he cannot be trusted.

Would he try to pull such a stunt to manipulate the public because he wanted to minimize the "pandemic"? Would that number of Doctors cover for him? Why do we still not know all the facts about his hospitalization? Was he really that sick?

[still_one]

1. So you are saying that the physicians involved would risk losing their licenses?

[Mariana]

8. Would they actually risk their licenses by lying to the public? nt.

[MFM008]

41. Yes

I believe they would.
Look at that Ronnie Jackson or whoever, the " i say he weighs 239 pounds" guy.
There are the 'Omen' style enablers in this deal.....

[Baltimike]

54. Yes. All the live long day. Also, lying to the public may not

necessarily cause a doctor to lose his license.

[brooklynite]

56. Trashing...

I'm exhausted with all the conspiracy theory threads.

[Baltimike]

58. Ok

I have no idea why you needed to tell me that, but good for you.

[PufPuf23]

68. Don't think Dr. Josef Mengele worried about losing his medical license.

That said, Trump probably did have the virus.

On the other hand, Trump deciding that the nation is going to accept we are beaten by the virus as a strategy is essentially a form of genocide in that the aged, ill, disabled, poor, and minorites of color are more likely to die or have lingering effects.

Attendant to the most effected by the virus, there will be less to pay out in SS, SSI, Medicare, retirement in general, etc. and at the same time economic opportunity from what Klein correctly named disaster capitalism.

Trump and enablers are essentially Murderers.

[hamsterjill]

2. I am suspicious.

On CNN last night, Kaitlin Collins was reporting as to the ACB event that the only people being tested for that event were those who would come in contact with the President.

I thought he was “immune”?????

[Faux pas]

3. I

wouldn't put anything past herr hump.

[StarfishSaver]

4. I think he did have it

But unlike pretty much anyone else in the world, he received the absolute best possible treatment available anywhere on earth.

While I don't trust his White House physician, I don't believe that the numerous other doctors and medical professionals involved in his care would all have participated in a lie.

[kentuck]

11. Or maybe all the Doctors did not have access to his medical information?

Or were there mostly for the photo-op?

It is difficult to believe that they would have all participated in a lie, that is true.

[Polybius]

25. They constantly tested him in the hospital and recommended he stay

He certainly had something.

[MFM008]

42. Ive been

Put in hospital for "observation" for stuff thats turned out fine and rurned out to he nothing

[Baltimike]

55. There is no proof whatsoever that he was tested constantly

I heard that he was refusing to take the test.

[StarfishSaver]

49. All of those doctors were involved in his care.

They would have known whether or not he had COVID.

[Totally Tunsie]

61. "All of those doctors were involved in his care."

mmmmm, we don't know that for sure. Photo ops easily infer that which is not true, with no explanation necessary. None of those docs who were trotted out to the hospital steps were introduced, and no claim was made as to their involvement in Chump's care. Window dressing.

[634-5789]

5. Doubtful, at best. Nobody bounces back in 3 days.

[Bonx]

9. Trump lies about everything. No way he had Covid.

[chomper]

15. I bet that he had a very mild case of covid

They play it like he was very sick when he was not.

[notinkansas]

44. I suspect recocvery time is more than 3 days

even for mild cases. My youngest daughter contracted the disease - a young, healthy girl. Her case was mild in that her only symptoms were significant fatigue and body aches. 3 weeks later, she is still dealing with those symptoms. I would have to say that I am skeptical about his diagnosis.

[Codeine]

53. You have no idea

how fast anyone does or doesn’t “bounce back.” He received experimental treatments and top-grade care around the clock, as well as medication to mask symptoms and keep him on his feet.

Drives me nuts when DU starts acting like the Freeptards.

[634-5789]

63. Show me ANY OTHER PERSON ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, who is 'cured' in 3 days. I'll wait here.

[Codeine]

64. He wasn't "cured".

He was able to function for short periods in public.

[634-5789]

65. Funny! He said he was cured, and immune. In 3 days. Yeah. You betcha

[Codeine]

66. He says all sorts of things.

I’m not going to be so silly as to assume a conspiracy of physicians claiming a fake illness for the man. His word means nothing, but theirs carries some weight.

[monmouth4]

6. Are we even sure his "doctors" are actually MDs. I'm with you kentuck, I don't think he had it.

What I do think that this took some planning, he lined up his liars/actors with generous pay checks and took a gamble.

[GreenEyedLefty]

7. I think he did have it.

Very mild, but they threw cutting edge, bespoke (aka extremely expensive) therapies at it. There is no way those treatments would have been in reach for an average American.

[Mariana]

13. Those treatments aren't available to anyone.

Literally no American can receive the same course of treatment, at the same stage of the disease, as he did - not for any price.

[marlakay]

33. All of us are told to stay home with mild case

But I will say he is president and they know his real medical condition so put him in hospital to be safe. But I bet all the doctors hate him flaunting how great he is like a hero. They are the heroes for keeping him healthy. (Don't get me wrong I wouldn't be upset if he croaked just know they would do the same for any president even one most of us hate)

[Mariana]

36. Yes, we all know a mild case can go bad very quickly

and he's old and fat and who knows what his blood glucose and lipids and so on look like. The hospitalization and even the treatment isn't really an issue. It's him downplaying the risks from the virus after he supposedly received a course of treatment that literally no one else has access to.

[kentuck]

38. It was reported that he was told....

...that it could go bad real quickly and he might have to be rolled out in a wheel chair or carried on a stretcher, and that it would be better to go to the hospital before that happened, because of the optics.

[Squinch]

10. 5 days between first positive test and "cure?" It's absurd.

Don't know if that means he didn't have it, but he's lying big about some aspect of it. Either he never had it or he had it much earlier - i.e. during the debate.

[pandr32]

12. When it comes to Trump we never know anything for certain

He is as dishonest as any person could possibly be.
Having said that, though, he has enormous privilege. He has the best health care this country offers. It is likely that his quick treatment and care has kept him from a more serious case. I am quite sure he was given steroids quickly to mitigate the more serious complications that have caused suffering and/or death to others--crucial considering his obvious risk factors. This does not mean he hasn't been contagious. He simply would not care if he was.

[Initech]

14. I wouldn't put it past him to fake it.

He's the kind of asshole would never admit to getting sick even when displaying all of the classic common cold signs.

[Grasswire2]

16. I don't think he had it.

Aside from Dr. Doolittle Conley (whatever his name is) -- none of those doctors were ever introduced.

And they deployed and stood as if they were from central casting. Didn't look like a random bunch of doctors to me.

I think he faked it.

To re-set the campaign.

[kentuck]

18. Like reality TV.

It is not impossible.

[Grasswire2]

34. everything he does is staged for TV. nt

[StarfishSaver]

50. I'd be amazed if he DIDN'T have it

He was exposed to it so consistently, I'm surprised it took him so long to catch it.

[Totally Tunsie]

59. None of those doctors who were trotted out were ever introduced,

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and there was never even an indication that any of them were involved in Chump's care. They were "window dressing" to set the scene.

The doc in charge couldn't even fake it well. His evasiveness went beyond doctor/patient privilege...he didn't have enough input from his boss tRump to carry off the information stream, and knew he was between the proverbial rock (tRump) and a hard place (the Press). If one works for tRump in any capacity, the first requirement is that they be a good liar. (For reference, see everyone else in tRump's administration.)

While I first believed the 'rona had found its mark with Chump, as time goes on, I'm more and more skeptical.

[scipan]

72. Dr conley said the names of everyone who talked here

From wiki:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Dr._Sean_Conley%2C_Physician_to_the_President%2C_Provides_an_Update_on_President_Trump.webm

Also they said he had been given a monoclonal antibody cocktail, remdesevier, and dexamethasone, which would have to be out and out lies if he never had it. It wasn't just Dr Conley that described his treatment.

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

17. Heart attack...

Then placement of stents. Timing would be good, I had an aortic stent put in from kidneys to groin...admitted one day...placement next morning....dinner, bed...breakfast....out right after lunch.
And that’s a biggie...couple in the heart..no sweat.

On edit...dinner that evening was jello and hot decaf tea. Not the lobster bisque they promised!

[Mariana]

37. How likely is it that he would have walked to the helicopter

while he was having a heart attack?

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

70. Very likely...

As I say this it is not meant to be assumed that myself or any of the people I mention are more able to endure any pain or discomfort than anyone else, probably less informed or totally unaware that what was happening was an attack.

Being a heart patient I have the opportunity to meet other heart patients. The amount of guys I talk to, yes mostly men, worked, drove, sat through heart attacks never knowing what was exactly happening to them.

Personally all I had was a nagging pain like a pinched nerve in the BACK of my RIGHT shoulder.
I thought it was something residual from an old injury that popped up because I aggravated it somehow. I did not think it was enough to go to the doctor, I had work to do.
Over the years...all this was around 11 years ago, I met and talked to many heart patients that had similar experiences.

The tv version of heart attacks isn’t always the case.

[Mariana]

71. I know some people CAN walk during a heart attack.

I just can't imagine the President of the United States doing so.

My grandfather died of a "silent" heart attack. He had no pain or usual heart attack symptoms, the only indication anything was wrong with him was that he was disoriented. If my cousin hadn't dropped by to see him that afternoon and called 911, he probably would have just died in his chair, never knowing anything was wrong with him..

[Buckeye_Democrat]

19. He probably had it.

Might have got infected during the Barrett indoor WH reception like so many others.

Did they test Barrett's kids who were also there unmasked? Doubt it.

[Grasswire2]

35. GAH! Keep that predator away from those young girls. nt

[brush]

20. If it was a stunt it was an idiotic one as it certainly hasn't advantaged him.

His White House is not known for brilliant thinking so it could've been a poorly thought out stunt to show him as a he-man who defeated covid.

Of course it didn't work as covid is worst than ever and no one can afford the drug cocktail that he was allegedly treated with—for free. And he'll be soon trying to strike down healthcare for millions of Americans in the middle of a pandemic.

[still_one]

45. The Rose Garden Super Spreader Event implies it probably wasn't a stunt

[brush]

46. I don't think it was either.

His dumb ass thought he couldn't get it because everyone was supposed to be getting tested daily. Something went wrong.

Duh! Like no one wearing masks and social distancing.

[kentuck]

47. Was he the first person to get the virus from the Rose Garden event?

My first thought was that the new Supreme Court Justice was the carrier?

[mindfulNJ]

21. I said he was faking it when it happened

and I believe it more now. That wheezing when he had his WH photo op was just an overweight 74 year old after going up a flight of stairs.

[jcgoldie]

22. I think the fact that most people would answer they don't have a clue...

...tells you all you need to know about the lying and lack of transparency in this administration.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

23. He lies so much it's impossible to tell what is or is not a lie

He *probably* had it, at least a mild case because so many other people whom attended that superspreader event came down with it as well. However, him trying to act like it ain't so bad afterwards showed that he learned absolutely nothing and really does believe that "it's no big deal" because he was given immediate and prompt top-notch care that most Americans with COVID won't get or have access to.

[kentuck]

26. They said his oxygen level was at 94%.

I have asthma and that is what my rate is at normal times.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

27. All those reports from his "doctor" didn't make a lot of sense either

and obfuscated the issue further.

[exboyfil]

24. Occam's Razor says he had it

The symptoms can be all over the board, and he is getting the best care the US taxpayer can provide.

[frazzled]

28. Who knows

Probably had it, maybe not. The man lies so often and so boldly, it's like the boy who cried wolf. After a while, you don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth. I have never been a conspiracist, and fight against succumbing to crazy theories, but the quick "recovery," the staging, the pumping of a drug that happens to belong to a donor ... it does make one suspicious.

And remember, all the doctors involved are military personnel. So if the commander in chief issues an order, they're compelled (well, more or less; they also have the Hippocratic oath, but when they conflict, then what? Aside from Dr. Doolittle, and even him, they were pretty noncommittal. )

[Frustratedlady]

29. You get jumped on if you mention it, but it is certainly in the back of my (and many others') mind.

Those other doctors (beyond the WH physician) rarely, if ever, spoke. I think I remember someone saying they had to sign an NDA, as well, even though he had the protection of the Hippa oath.

I would agree to the common flu, but I find it hard to believe he had Covid and recovered so fast. What breathlessness he had afterwards, he had before. I think he was trying to give the impression he was more "fit" than Biden. If that didn't succeed, he'd use the virus as an excuse. I DO believe he received powerful steroids, though.

Considering all his lies, I'm surprised so many people bought this. I hope I'm wrong, but he has called "Wolf" one too many times for me to buy it. But, then, I question everything he says and does. That will never change.

[blueinredohio]

30. I think it was a hoax. Trying to get people to believe its not that bad.

[fescuerescue]

31. I asked the very same several weeks ago and took alot of flak for it

FWIW, I think he did have it.

For the simple reason that it would be extremely difficult to keep probably dozens, if not hundreds of people quiet about it.

[The_Casual_Observer]

32. I think it was a stunt

Like every other goddamn thing he's done since this shit show started in 2016.

[still_one]

43. Does that mean that the Rose Garden Super Spreader Event was a "stunt" also?

[The_Casual_Observer]

52. No

[Progressive dog]

39. I think we do know beyond a reasonable doubt

that at some point covid Donny tested positive for covi.
Covid Donny does refuse to tell us when he last tested negative before he tested positive. It's likely that he was spreading the virus for a while before he got too sick to continue to hide his illness. Probably he and his family were hoping to infect Biden at the first debate. None got tested at the debate and all refused to wear masks.

[ScratchCat]

40. No, and Rick Scott gave it away

Scott got the wrong memo and thought he was supposed to be one of the GOPers to pretend they had it, and then "retracted" it when they told him he wasn't supposed to have it. I told people then "Just wait, when nobody who claims they have it dies, they are going to pivot to 'the numbers are cooked' nonsense". What happened? Nobody died and Trump has started in with "the numbers are cooked" bit just like clockwork.

The fact that they wont tell when he tested negative last tells you he never had it. I used to think that meant he had it for three to five days before admitting it, but I think its all a bunch of bunk now. They had to come up with something to get past his handling of this. Now, all my GOP friends are saying things like "I wish I had gotten it already to get past it....". No shit.

[moondust]

48. "Superman" stunt?

To deceive people into believing it hardly affected him because he's SUPER STRONG thanks to having those "GOOD GENES"? SUPERMAN!!! Plus now he knows the China virus is not that serious so it's okay to go ahead burn the masks and open everything up to make money money money make money money money. Everything is normal and wonderful!!!! Twenty more years! Twenty more years! Twenty more years!

Possible, though I tend to think he had a mild case of it given his recurring maskless exposures over a period of months.

[Autumn]

51. I don't think he did. Neither did Christie. They had a false positive and both probably had a nasty

cold, both fat unhealthy fucks panicked and ran for treatment. Chicken shits got to chickenshit.

[spanone]

57. We don't know ANYTHING about his physical condition...Zero. Zip. Nada.

He does not work for the people. He works for don trump.

[LanternWaste]

60. As it made him look weak to his base, and as there was no political upside to it*

I see no valid reason to believe he pretended otherwise.





*would require objective data indicating there was in fact, a political benefit to the pretense, else it's an empty allegation.

[kentuck]

62. He may have tested positive for the virus and was persuaded by the argument ... ?

...that it would look much worse if he left the White House in a wheelchair or on a stretcher?

And he did not experience a heavy dose of the virus, as some people have experienced. He was one of the 8 million or so that caught a lighter dose, maybe?

[StarfishSaver]

69. It would have been bizarre if he DIDN'T catch it

I don't know why it's so hard for people to believe he caught a virus he constantly exposed himself to and did nothing to protect himself from.

[Sewa]

67. I 60% believe he had covid, 40% think

he had a mental health break.