If the poorest, least educated states in the Union stopped voting Republican

[DainBramaged]

and voted in their best interests instead of believing the shit that burbles from the mouths of the Right wing, the GOP would be done as a party. But sadly, they continue to believe the safety nets that keep them human are gifts from the GOP and not of 'the enemy the Liburals'. Of the poorest states, Mississippi, Arkansas, Tennessee, West Virginia, Louisiana, South Carolina, Kentucky, Alabama, and North Carolina, ONLY North Carolina voted for President Obama in 2008. The Red color proves it for the rest of the Republican-voting population, Dumbfuckistan,



a country within a country. The now industrialized Southern part of the US. Where the wages are low and so are the IQs. More people graduate from college in the Northeast than in the South by a huge margin.

http://www.higheredinfo.org/dbrowser/?level=nation&mode=graph&state=0&submeasure=27


Or those with the greatest chance for college by age 19

http://www.higheredinfo.org/dbrowser/index.php?measure=31


Republicans have kept their populations basically poor and ignorant for nearly three generations since the beginnings of the civil rights movement. And those populations continue to vote for them in large numbers.


May their gods help them.

[Liberal_in_LA]

1. it doesn't help to insult the people in the red states.

[DainBramaged]

2. Of couse it doesn't, absolutely, if you need insulting take it from my post

[Fawke Em]

3. Especially those of us who only buy union-made cars.

Gee, buddy (the OP), I defend your American car threads and you shit on me.

[DainBramaged]

4. Do you vote Republican? If not hold your head high

and consider yourself better than them, it's simply the best way to look at it.


DU, where being insulted is not an art.

[justice1]

16. How long did it take Bill Clinton to visit constituents in Nebraska?

When you learn the answer, you will have a better understanding of what has been happening across this country for decades. The Democratic party had treated the red states like the 47%. They haven't been seen worth the time, or money.

[Zoeisright]

37. That is one of the dumbest posts I have read in a long time.

The Democratic party is SAVING the red states. Red states are welfare states. They get back more from the federal government than they put in. You're conflating repuke attitudes with democrats. And it's not working.

[justice1]

56. Getting more than they put in, sounds like something that is said about the poor in this country.

That's a blanket statement. I believe my state gets back less than most blue states, despite the fact that Offutt is a large employer, and we have many military retirees, and also have an older than average population.

[synapticwave]

6. It's all good

They can't read anyway

[Zoeisright]

38. Facts are facts.

Red states ARE the poorest and least educated states.

[cordelia]

43. So that makes it acceptable for you to support insulting

and bigoted posts with broad brush slamming of good liberals and Democrats just because you don't like where they live.

Gotcha.

Reveals a LOT about you.

[struggle4progress]

5. North Carolina went for Obama in 2008, but it was close. The state has actually been

pretty evenly split D:R in recent years, though the 2010 R sweep and resultant R-leaning redistricting will hurt for a while. Obama has a real chance here in 2012, I think, though it's a neck-n-neck call. The Triangle region here in NC, BTW, is one of the most educated parts of the US: nobody beats us in PhD per capita

[Lex]

7. A better map to digest is this one (i.e., it's NOT just the South)

[DainBramaged]

10. Of course it is..........it's not you OP or point.....however

[Zoeisright]

39. That still shows the heaviest concentration of red in

the poorest and least educated areas.

[Lex]

45. In the poorest and least educated counties, actually. nt

[marions ghost]

50. THANK YOU!

Much better perspective about this.

And not everybody without a college degree is dumb either...

[sakabatou]

59. Tornado alley is full of red, some purple and a blue patch here and there

[oldhippydude]

8. actually the map is screwed...

it Has New Mexico as red... in 08 we voted for Obama... sent a Democratic Senator to Washingrton (Udall), and sent elected all 3 reps democratic.. can't get any bluer.. don't know any other states but know this one...

[Lex]

9. It's screwed for several reasons.

[jsr]

18. I've always liked this map better.

[reformist2]

11. In many southern states (SC, LA, MS, AL), all Dems need is about 25% of the white vote.

And that would flip them from red to blue. Amazing, but true.

[Tx4obama]

12. Your map in the OP is wrong. Below is the 2008 electoral map

[loli phabay]

15. i dont think the map actually matters its more a chance to bad mouth people in the south

i just dont get it. there are dumb people everywhere in the country, both rural and urban.

[Scootaloo]

53. sure, there are dumb people everywhere

It's just that some places embrace stupidity as a point of cultural value. And if you want to whine about that, go right ahead. Though I don't live there anymore, I was born and raised in Alabama and spent a good deal of time in North Carolina and Georgia.

There are smart southerners, no doubt. But the overall culture embraces ignorance as a virtue. Tell me, do you see more pro-slavery window decals in Mississippi, or equally-red Idaho? I think there's a notable aspect of cultural difference there.

[DainBramaged]

19. It's not about the map, how hard is this?

do you need stick figures? Puppets?

[XemaSab]

13. Dumbfuckistan knows no borders

'War on women' is liberal distraction

I'm confused! How is there a war on women?

Comments about this so-called war on women are petty and stupid. Something else the Democratic Party can dream up to take away from this president's poor record. Shift the focus to those who are young, apparently stupid and easy to influence. I have no problem with birth-control choices or sex changes as long as those wanting them pay for them. If George wants to become Georgiana, so be it! Let his parents help with the cost, not the taxpayer.

In this country, women can pursue any vocation they choose. They drive, vote, and can even carry concealed weapons with permits. Where is the war on women? Birth control does not cost $3,000 a year and the taxpayer should not have to pay for it. Period!

Politicians should stay out of our personal lives. We own these bodies. Don't tell us what we can do with them or what we should do with them. Let the men have the babies, nurse them, take them to day care, pick them up, go home, make dinner for the family, etc. On and on! When we have children, our family owns our lives if we take the responsibility for them. No going out after work for a beer, no, no. Got to pick kids up, and start the second half of our job. I've done this. It's over for me and I can honestly look back and wonder how I did it. Day by day! That's how. I have no regrets.

War on women? A bunch of bull! It's actually the death of our liberties we have had for all these years. From a free-spirited bunch of liberals, thinking they know it all. If they want to make these changes, do it for yourselves. If they don't want God on our money, well, most of us do, deal with it. Get a life. Quit trying to change what is right and free. If they want socialism, move! We don't.

http://www.redding.com/news/2012/sep/29/bernice-cressy-war-on-women-is-liberal/

This kind of crazy is California grown.

[hrmjustin]

14. we can always dream and hope americans wake up

[bluestate10]

17. North Carolina is an interesting state.

It has pretty much evolved from a farming culture to a banking, hi-tech economy. I have done business in North Carolina, believe me, traffic jams there are huge and the roads are modern and big. I have seldom seen farmer types in those traffic jams, most of the people are in business casual or business dress. The change in the composition of the North Carolina economy explains why that state is trending toward blue, just like Virginia started several years back. My argument is that North Carolina will continue to trend toward blue and ultimately be followed by Kentucky, Texas and Georgia. The worst thing that can happen for republicans is for people to become better educated and wealthier.

[marions ghost]

51. traffic jams

not a plus. Largely because of Repig efforts to thwart mass transit options for 25 years.

[guardian]

20. "The now industrialized Southern part of the US. Where the wages are low and so are the IQs."

Have you always been a bigot?

Your blanket assessment of everyone living in the "Southern part of the US" as having a low IQ is stunning. Would that also include Jimmy Carter or Al Gore? Or do you have a racial component to your bigotry?

[DainBramaged]

21. Thanks for the ringing endorsement

The facts speak for themselves, have a nice day.

[Are_grits_groceries]

22. Where are these industrialized regions pray tell?

There are areas, usually around cities, that are industrialized. However, you can drive through these states and go though area after area with no industry or a reliance on one industry.

The textile mills have been decimated because the jobs went overseas. Bain did a number on a steel mill in SC. The farming sector is being diminished in many areas.

To even to companies to consider the South, states have to offer massive tax breaks and other incentives.

Check the median family income. It mirrors the graph you posted. The money here for great change is nil. The Republicans effectively scare people about the jobs they have. Even when the Dems were in charge, there was no great uptick. People saw little sign of help, and they still don't.

Even with that, a lot of these states have sizable minorities and the tipping point gets closer. There are whites who join with them to try to change things.

Your generalizations show a great lack of understanding of the entire region. You pick certain features and make broad pronouncements based on that. In addition, there were quite a few western states below the mean. What about them?

So you are the President of your own version of 'Dumbfuckistan' as you so elegantly put it. Your ignorance of and bigotry towards an entire region is appalling. There are people working here for change, but every pronouncement like yours makes it harder. That just builds resentment and more of a tendency to tune all outside voices out.

[DainBramaged]

24. THANKS!

You're right, it isn't just the South....

I guess you forgot about the Foreign auto transplants that flocked to the low wage South........



Have a nice day.

[Are_grits_groceries]

36. No, I didn't.

The auto industry has been one of the few flocking anywhere. They only reach a small portion of the populace.

If you know history, you know that before WWII that textile workers across the South walked out and then tried to unionize. The authorities responded by declaring martial law and took other harsh measures. In Honea Path SC, strikers were shot dead. There was violence all across the region.

The workers got little national help. There were talks and recommendations made which the owners ignored. Most of the workers were not rehired. This was in the Great Depression. Most people know who Joe Hill is but have no clue about 'John Mill.'

That left a lot of bitterness across the South, and it was not aimed at just the owners. The workers realized that they were on their on in that part of the country. That is one reason it is hard to unionize. Memories are long.

[HiPointDem]

23. "low...and so are the iqs" --is bigoted crap. don't confuse social conditions with inherited ones.

[DainBramaged]

32. Did you per chance even look at the charts I propvided, or did you just think a peresonal attack was

more appropriate?


Have a nice day.

[HiPointDem]

33. Blanket statements about entire regions having low IQs = bigoted crap. Not a personal attack,

just a fact.

[Gormy Cuss]

47. HiPointDem is right. You can not infer IQ from those linked charts.

Poverty and lack of higher education go hand in hand for certain, but the lack of a higher education is not a marker of intelligence. IOW, there are a lot of intelligent, undereducated people out there.

[Edweird]

48. There are also a lot of unjustifiably arrogant overeducated shit-heads out there as well.

Just sayin'.

[DainBramaged]

49. Don't bother, they are being defended admirably in this thread

It's the Stockholm syndrome convoluted, they think they can "persuade" the Reich-wingers to come to their senses.


They think defending them is admirable. They also think it's OK to take shots at me when it seems most of them live in nice Blue states like me....and don' have Dumfuckstain neighbors shooting birds as they fly by, or the traffic signs, or the squirrels, or anything because it's fun ( real life story from one of my oldest friends who lives in the Florida panhandle). Yet they can't divide 500 shells by 20 boxes.

[meow2u3]

25. Uneducated people are more prone to falling for propaganda

That's how come so many working-class white voters in the South vote repuke. They've been bombarded by the relentless, endless barrage of right-wing hate radio and television being shoved down their throats.

People in general have been conditioned from early childhood to believe that what they see on TV, hear on the radio, and/or read in the newspapers has to be true or else they wouldn't be allowed to publish or broadcast it. Because of the relatively low level of education (compared to college grads), they're more likely to fall for the big lies of right-wing media--which occurs in listening areas which do not offer alternatives to the bile spewing from their surroundings. Question is, how do we counteract such a climate of hatred and ignorance when the public is being kept ignorant?

[rrneck]

26. The citizens of your bigoted term "Dumbfuckistan" are suffering

from the effects of the culture wars. The three R's - racism, religion, and regressive economics - were designed and inflicted on them by the 1% and the Republicans to divert their attention from how badly they are being fleeced. That's why the culture wars exist, to have us fighting among ourselves about anything except the transfer of wealth to the wealthiest among us.

This shitty flamebait OP deserves an alert, but there's no point. You posted this crap knowing partisan fervor is in your favor. You are perfectly happy to score brownie points at the expense of your fellow citizens. You seem to delight in shaking your partisan pom poms to attract attention to yourself and secure your position as an "important voice" on an internet message board. You are perfectly happy to profit from the mechanizations of our ideological opponents for little more than anonymous street cred. You've got two feet in the trough just like all the rest of them.

[cordelia]

27. "Dumbfuckistan"? So, your very ignorant, very bigoted post is

calling millions of Democrats and liberals "dumb fucks" because you object to where they live?

You're not worth having a post hidden or getting banned over. Never were.

Your posts have always revealed a level of bigotry and ignorance I always found distasteful. This is just icing on the cake.

[DainBramaged]

28. Hey thanks for the compliments, and Merry Christmas to you too

You have a nice life with your assumptions mmmmk?

[cordelia]

34. Thanks for the PM.

One more reason to laugh AT you.

[Lex]

46. There's a history

of that poster sending nasty PM's. Believe me, I know.

[marions ghost]

52. Agree --

Dumb fucks are everywhere.

[pecwae]

58. Thank you cordelia!

Thank you

[n2doc]

29. Maybe. But I remind you that Ryan, Bachmann, Santorum, Christie...

are from "BLUE" states. Perhaps if those voters in those states stopped voting against their interests the whole country would be better off, right?

[Throd]

30. "You inbred, racist dumbfucks should vote for the Democratic Party" is a poor message.

[DainBramaged]

31. Do you think they read DU?

Have a nice day and thakns for twisting the shit out of my one word........nicely done......Merry Chritmas to u 2

And thanks for jumping on the bandwagon, it suits you well.

[OldDem2012]

35. Lots of folks in the Deep South have become...

...very reliant on Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, unemployment benefits, and other Government programs. They are beginning to become quite concerned about the threatening crap falling out of the mouths of the Romney/Ryan team. The 47% remark was very damaging to Romney. I know this because these people are my neighbors...thoughtful, caring human beings who are beginning to see the light.

While I don't believe the Deep South will end up supporting Obama on this Election Day, I do believe serious inroads are being developed which will pay dividends down the road.

[TBF]

40. All we need is Texas - we can let the others go

but your attitude is not going to help us win votes and influence people. There are many folks down here working very hard to make it happen - including our new chairman Gilbert Hinojosa and San Antonio mayor Julian Castro.

http://collindemsnews.blogspot.com/2012/06/judge-gilberto-hinojosa-elected-texas.html
http://www.mayorcastro.com/

[coldwaterintheface]

42. They need to be taught a lesson

Change the law so that no state can receive federal funds in excess of what its residents pay in.

In other words give the red states exactly what they are voting for.

[4th law of robotics]

44. The states you reference also have the highest percentage of black citizens

I'm not saying your low IQ comment is racist in that context.

But it could certainly be thought that labeled the states with the most black people as having the lowest IQs is a racist notion.



/those citizens would be disproportionately poor and unlikely to go to college. BTW.

[Scootaloo]

54. You'll notice that the "black belt" is the only streak of blue on the map provided by Lex

Don't try this shitheaded "strategy" of "some people live there so you're racist against them if you think it's a dumb place!"

[4th law of robotics]

57. Certainly not!

How could anyone think singling out the "blackest" states and labeling them low IQ states is a racist notion?

No one here!

/If a republican had said it though . . .

[limpyhobbler]

55. This post is a good example of shitting on the poor.

They would vote for a party that presented a strong economic populist message.

Too bad we don't have one of those.

When elections are about cultural identity, some southern whites might not see any reason to vote for the liberals. George Bush looks better in a cowboy hat.

It's the Democrats' fault for not providing a real choice on the economic issues.

We need more class warfare to make inroads with working class voters who are on the other side of the cultural divide. Calling them inbreds and that stuff is hugely insulting and bigoted.