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demmiblue

(36,823 posts)
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:23 AM Nov 2020

Whitmer kidnap suspect wants out of jail. He's diabetic, and fears COVID-19

After three weeks in jail, one of the suspects charged with plotting to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer is asking the judge to reconsider her decision to keep him locked up: He's worried about getting the COVID-19 virus.

Kaleb Franks of Waterford, a recovering heroin addict who says he has turned his life around after doing time for cocaine and home invasion, has diabetes and high cholesterol, takes insulin daily and fears contracting COVID-19 in jail, his lawyer argued in court documents filed this week.

The filing shed more light on the life of the 26-year-old defendant known as 'Red Hot,' who maintains that he can be trusted not to flee and that he is not a threat to society, despite the judge concluding on Oct. 13 that "he remains a danger to the community."

According to testimony and court records, Franks was part of the surveillance operation outside Whitmer's cottage and was one of five suspects who drove to a meeting hoping to buy explosives and tactical gear, only to get arrested in what turned out to be a setup by the FBI.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/10/30/suspect-whitmer-kidnap-plot-jail-kaleb-franks/6085247002/
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Whitmer kidnap suspect wants out of jail. He's diabetic, and fears COVID-19 (Original Post) demmiblue Nov 2020 OP
Hope he gets it malaise Nov 2020 #1
Darwin. Lochloosa Nov 2020 #2
Yup, poor baby.. mitch96 Nov 2020 #19
lol...Tots and Pears Lochloosa Nov 2020 #33
Tots & pears....awesome! chwaliszewski Nov 2020 #45
I an so stealing this! denbot Nov 2020 #111
Be my guest..... I stole it from someone else. When I saw it I cracked up. mitch96 Nov 2020 #115
This is how one "turns their life around"? n/t DonaldsRump Nov 2020 #3
You would think they would be... reACTIONary Nov 2020 #62
OMG, that was the first thing I thought of reading this! n/t phylny Nov 2020 #93
fuck him, welcome to the adult world of accountablity asswipe beachbumbob Nov 2020 #4
Sucks In It to Win It Nov 2020 #5
Wasn't he kidnapping her partly because Covid is a hoax? soothsayer Nov 2020 #6
Dammit! There's that thing called logic again! TheBlackAdder Nov 2020 #9
+ 1. nt iluvtennis Nov 2020 #97
Bwahahahahaha! DonaldsRump Nov 2020 #23
Yup! Botany Nov 2020 #29
Exactly PatSeg Nov 2020 #30
Yup...can't hurt anyone,no mask mandate,all business should be open Bengus81 Nov 2020 #35
Yep for sure Joedog Nov 2020 #43
Yep. Covid is a hoax and is an excuse for the government to snatch our freedumbs from us catbyte Nov 2020 #76
Whoa! Franks is a CONVERT! Now he believes that COVID is real! Eyeball_Kid Nov 2020 #81
If you do crimes in the time of COVID-19, that excuse can't be used. TheBlackAdder Nov 2020 #7
thoughts and prayers. mopinko Nov 2020 #8
Tough shit. GoCubsGo Nov 2020 #10
Well, He's Off The Smack! ProfessorGAC Nov 2020 #96
So he was so enraged by public health efforts to protect people like him... nycbos Nov 2020 #11
It's a hoax, so shut the fuck up hatrack Nov 2020 #12
Maybe he should ask for a pardon from the governor mucifer Nov 2020 #13
+1000 Bengus81 Nov 2020 #36
So, he's already done time for home invasion, which proves he's capable MerryBlooms Nov 2020 #14
Tough shit, Kaleb. SMC22307 Nov 2020 #15
That's Kaleb 1/2 down the page with assualt rifle "turning his life around." Botany Nov 2020 #34
on the left Celerity Nov 2020 #109
I'm not sure how MyOwnPeace Nov 2020 #16
" "turned your life around........" Yup, to the dark side of the force there storm trooper... nt mitch96 Nov 2020 #22
By his own decisions Cartaphelius Nov 2020 #17
Freedumbs Newest Reality Nov 2020 #18
So he "turned his life around" and decided he would kidnap and possibly murder the secondwind Nov 2020 #20
Funny how these BADASSES become pussies so quickly.... Bengus81 Nov 2020 #21
not so tough without a gun and instagram eh? getagrip_already Nov 2020 #46
Covid, Do your thing! OrlandoDem2 Nov 2020 #24
Well, damn, ya shoulda thought of that earlier, ya stupid cuck. eppur_se_muova Nov 2020 #25
Is this the guy snowybirdie Nov 2020 #26
Lots of people in prison have kacekwl Nov 2020 #27
I wonder if Trump will pardon DonaldsRump Nov 2020 #28
state charges...... getagrip_already Nov 2020 #47
I have a pen pal doing over 20 years for stealing $130 Thunderbeast Nov 2020 #31
+1 dalton99a Nov 2020 #55
Maybe, just maybe, he should have thought of that before getting involved Blue_true Nov 2020 #32
Exactly what I was thinking n/t Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2020 #50
Too bad. It's nothing more than the flu. onecaliberal Nov 2020 #37
Mama's basement keeps looking better and better, doesn't it, Kaleb? Mr. Ected Nov 2020 #38
If I was him I'd think BUBBA would be a much "larger" fear............... Bengus81 Nov 2020 #39
Whoa PatSeg Nov 2020 #40
Aren't these the same assholes that were screaming in the Police's faces in the Capitol? Fuck 'em. dem4decades Nov 2020 #41
These Keyboard Warriors don't do so well once they step outside into Mike 03 Nov 2020 #42
So he's not one of those "out of my cold dead hands" kind of extremists. What's he got to fear, ... marble falls Nov 2020 #44
No fear dude, gab13by13 Nov 2020 #48
Suck it up, buttercup. Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #49
Can't do the time? Don't do the crime! muntrv Nov 2020 #51
Hear Hear, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2020 #53
Let me think about that.... paleotn Nov 2020 #52
So his 'turnaround story' includes plans for kidnapping and murder dalton99a Nov 2020 #54
An anti mask wearing afraid of covid? blueinredohio Nov 2020 #56
Well Golly gee....don't do the crime. Historic NY Nov 2020 #57
Not a great resume for someone deciding to commit felonies Zambero Nov 2020 #58
He risked his precious life and liberty Harker Nov 2020 #59
Tough luck. Ahoulda thought of that before u plotted to commit a crime, knucklehead onetexan Nov 2020 #60
Should've thought of that before getting involved in a kidnapping plot. Nt raccoon Nov 2020 #61
Gee, the very thing he stupidly disbelieved she was trying to do for him. ancianita Nov 2020 #63
Poor little snowflake. MineralMan Nov 2020 #64
No. roamer65 Nov 2020 #65
Wahwahwah matt819 Nov 2020 #66
The Governor would REALLY like to pardon you, but..... DFW Nov 2020 #67
I'll bet you are scared, but you should have thought ahead. We've had COVID longer than your plans Frustratedlady Nov 2020 #68
As my mother would say: You should of thought of that BEFORE you did what you did. appleannie1 Nov 2020 #69
Boo effing hoo. Cry me a river, terrorist. catbyte Nov 2020 #70
He's "turned his life around?" I don't think so. Vinca Nov 2020 #71
Poor babies don't like the accommodations at the "gray bar hotel"? FailureToCommunicate Nov 2020 #72
Ugh! Terrorists that are trying to overthrown our government...& they want special treatment? Illumination Nov 2020 #83
Kaleb, you poor little baby. I picked your pic immediately NCjack Nov 2020 #84
Red hot pamdb Nov 2020 #73
And now he has turned his life around to terrorism. keithbvadu2 Nov 2020 #74
Red hot pamdb Nov 2020 #75
Should have thought of that before the life of crime Marthe48 Nov 2020 #77
Let him out of jail. safeinOhio Nov 2020 #78
I hate to seem harsh here, but he really should have thought about PatrickforO Nov 2020 #79
Whoa! Franks is something SPECIAL. Eyeball_Kid Nov 2020 #80
What is he afraid of? Under the Trump administration rules, even if he gets Covid and Baitball Blogger Nov 2020 #82
He wasn't worried about Covid when he was playing soldiers yellowcanine Nov 2020 #85
K & R warmfeet Nov 2020 #86
That whole "turning your life around" thing needs work, Kabob. flibbitygiblets Nov 2020 #87
Oh Kaleb. MontanaMama Nov 2020 #88
gee whiz, I guess that's just too damn bad, huh?... bringthePaine Nov 2020 #89
Bless His Heart OldManTarHeel Nov 2020 #90
Fuck him. Mickju Nov 2020 #91
That's really cute. Lucky Luciano Nov 2020 #92
The jails provide medicine on tax-payer dime. AllyCat Nov 2020 #94
Leave him in jail. He needs to learn that their are consequences for his actions. nt iluvtennis Nov 2020 #95
What a fucking crybaby. Aristus Nov 2020 #98
The I don't care Bear Fla Dem Nov 2020 #99
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. RockRaven Nov 2020 #100
Can't die from a hoax. kairos12 Nov 2020 #101
OK, another Snowflake whine ordinaire. Whoda thought. n/t sarge43 Nov 2020 #102
"it's unfair to put me in such dangerous conditions! I was only planning to kidnap struggle4progress Nov 2020 #103
He turned his life around...from heroin addict to stone cold killer Tribetime Nov 2020 #104
I have a poker with Red Hot's name on it. SaintLouisBlues Nov 2020 #105
I question just exactly how much he has "turned his life around." BobTheSubgenius Nov 2020 #106
Shut up and start doing the time you earned Blue Owl Nov 2020 #107
Whomp whomp. nt tblue37 Nov 2020 #108
Sucks to be him Hekate Nov 2020 #110
TFB asshole dweller Nov 2020 #112
Huh... but covid is scam Meowmee Nov 2020 #113
Just bdamomma Nov 2020 #114
womp womp AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #116
Bwah!1 UTUSN Nov 2020 #117
Time for some "Baretta": area51 Nov 2020 #118

mitch96

(13,871 posts)
115. Be my guest..... I stole it from someone else. When I saw it I cracked up.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:22 PM
Nov 2020

It sorta takes the emotional gravity of "thoughts and prayers" and smacks it in the face with
m

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
6. Wasn't he kidnapping her partly because Covid is a hoax?
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:26 AM
Nov 2020

I mean, isn’t that part of their narrative somewhere?

Bengus81

(6,928 posts)
35. Yup...can't hurt anyone,no mask mandate,all business should be open
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:45 AM
Nov 2020

So yeah...by participating in this kidnapping plot has said that covid is bullshit.

Joedog

(718 posts)
43. Yep for sure
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:59 AM
Nov 2020

Their beef was that Covid was a hoax according to the dumbass in chief and should not require special circumstances.

catbyte

(34,338 posts)
76. Yep. Covid is a hoax and is an excuse for the government to snatch our freedumbs from us
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:57 AM
Nov 2020

and do something nefarious.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
81. Whoa! Franks is a CONVERT! Now he believes that COVID is real!
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 11:16 AM
Nov 2020

And he can contemplate his vulnerability and what he did to increase it. I'm sobbing in my bourbon.

GoCubsGo

(32,075 posts)
10. Tough shit.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:28 AM
Nov 2020

And, what's with this "He turned his life around" bullshit? No he didn't. He's part of a plot to kidnap and execute the Governor of Michi8gan. In what universe is that "turned his life around"???? What bullshit. Let him rot.

ProfessorGAC

(64,861 posts)
96. Well, He's Off The Smack!
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 11:49 AM
Nov 2020

It's just the meth now!
And, he doesn't know where to get meth in jail!
Give the guy a break, can't ya!

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
11. So he was so enraged by public health efforts to protect people like him...
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:28 AM
Nov 2020

... he hooks up with terrorists and NOW says he is afraid of COVID?


MerryBlooms

(11,757 posts)
14. So, he's already done time for home invasion, which proves he's capable
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:29 AM
Nov 2020

of carrying out what these terrorists were planning. Nope, do not pass go, and do not get out of jail.

MyOwnPeace

(16,919 posts)
16. I'm not sure how
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:30 AM
Nov 2020

being part of a surveillance operation to kidnap a government official and planning to buy explosives and tactical gear is showing evidence that you have "turned your life around........"

 

Cartaphelius

(868 posts)
17. By his own decisions
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:31 AM
Nov 2020

he forfeited ANY such rights by actively PLANNING to deny
Governor Whitmer of her rights.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
18. Freedumbs
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:32 AM
Nov 2020

Freedumbs make you immune from hoaxes, so don't use the virus as an excuse.

Turned his life around? 360-degrees, huh?

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
20. So he "turned his life around" and decided he would kidnap and possibly murder the
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:33 AM
Nov 2020

Governor of Michigan?

I have no words..... his folks must be proud..

Bengus81

(6,928 posts)
21. Funny how these BADASSES become pussies so quickly....
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:34 AM
Nov 2020

Usually shows up first in their mug shot where they look like they've been crying.

getagrip_already

(14,642 posts)
46. not so tough without a gun and instagram eh?
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:09 AM
Nov 2020

How about posting a selfie of you acting tough in jail? Waiting on that one.

eppur_se_muova

(36,247 posts)
25. Well, damn, ya shoulda thought of that earlier, ya stupid cuck.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:37 AM
Nov 2020

Remember, this bunch wanted to kidnap her because of her efforts to protect people from COVID!!

I've heard of voting against your own best interests, but criminal conspiracy against your own best interests ?? That's some kind of a new record.

snowybirdie

(5,219 posts)
26. Is this the guy
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:37 AM
Nov 2020

So against the Governor for trying to prevent Covid spread? Wait, it's a hoax, isn't it? Bless his heart.

kacekwl

(7,014 posts)
27. Lots of people in prison have
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:37 AM
Nov 2020

diabetes and fear covid. What makes you special snowflake ? Cry to your law and order president tough guy.

Thunderbeast

(3,400 posts)
31. I have a pen pal doing over 20 years for stealing $130
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:41 AM
Nov 2020

He's also afraid. Prisons are dangerous Covid hotspots. If you are a black man convicted of a felony, you are going to wait in fear.

This whole militia thing isn't the Boy Scouts.

Maybe sitting in his cell will be a deterant to others thinking of strapping on an assault rifle and kidnapping a governor.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
32. Maybe, just maybe, he should have thought of that before getting involved
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:41 AM
Nov 2020

in a plan to kidnap, try, and likely execute a sitting Governor for “crimes” those idiots determined.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
38. Mama's basement keeps looking better and better, doesn't it, Kaleb?
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:48 AM
Nov 2020

All you tough guys hiding behind your paramilitary clothing and toting weaponry that no citizen needs to own are really pathetic cowards stricken with ignorance and hate.

Sounds like the perfect candidate for 20-30 years behind bars.

marble falls

(57,013 posts)
44. So he's not one of those "out of my cold dead hands" kind of extremists. What's he got to fear, ...
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:05 AM
Nov 2020

he'll wear a mask there, I bet.

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
56. An anti mask wearing afraid of covid?
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:32 AM
Nov 2020

A guy who wanted to kidnap and torture someone afraid he won't get his medicine? Fuck these people. Put them in jail and never let them out.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
57. Well Golly gee....don't do the crime.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:33 AM
Nov 2020

I guess the final sentencing should be dismissed too . Put him in an isolation cell and give him his meds. He can pretend he is like millions of Americans shut into their homes.

Zambero

(8,962 posts)
58. Not a great resume for someone deciding to commit felonies
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:36 AM
Nov 2020

Someone needs to get this jerk-off a dictionary so he can look up the definition of "consequence". Sincere apologies to those jerk-offs who might consider this remark as being offensive!

ancianita

(35,938 posts)
63. Gee, the very thing he stupidly disbelieved she was trying to do for him.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:41 AM
Nov 2020

Dumbfucks always fight for their rights at the expense of others; so no, he IS a threat to society.

Where he is is where he can do the least harm to others. He brought his jail time on his own unempathic, armed grasshopper self.

DFW

(54,302 posts)
67. The Governor would REALLY like to pardon you, but.....
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:46 AM
Nov 2020

She fears getting kidnapped or murdered. She hopes you understand.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
68. I'll bet you are scared, but you should have thought ahead. We've had COVID longer than your plans
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:47 AM
Nov 2020

to kidnap Gov. Whitmer. Weren't you one of those who refused to wear masks and hated her because she was trying to save your life? Karma's a bitch, not Whitmer.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,007 posts)
72. Poor babies don't like the accommodations at the "gray bar hotel"?
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:54 AM
Nov 2020

Tough.

Baby Kaleb is pictured in the bottom row

 

Illumination

(2,458 posts)
83. Ugh! Terrorists that are trying to overthrown our government...& they want special treatment?
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 11:25 AM
Nov 2020
Disgusting dangers to society! Colorado might take them here. We've got the Super Max Prison in Canon City...

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
84. Kaleb, you poor little baby. I picked your pic immediately
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 11:32 AM
Nov 2020

as the weakest one who would cry. You just have realize that Covid-19 is a hoax, and then man-up. Don't let it own you, you own it. Power through it.

If you can't man-up, then ask Gov. Gretchen for a deal. The jailers will deliver you to a Governor's peace "regulator", who will convene a judge and jury. If they convict you, then the peace "regulator" beheads you. Same deal as you were wanting to give the Governor.

pamdb

(1,332 posts)
73. Red hot
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:54 AM
Nov 2020


Tough shit. She’s my governor. As long as you get your insulin, you play the game, you take your chances.

keithbvadu2

(36,667 posts)
74. And now he has turned his life around to terrorism.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:54 AM
Nov 2020

No!

It's a hoax.
We've got it under control.
Almost nothing says Donnie Jr.
We're turning the corner.

And the jail has complete medical coverage, paid by the taxpayers.

Ingrate!

pamdb

(1,332 posts)
75. Red hot
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:54 AM
Nov 2020


Tough shit. She’s my governor. As long as you get your insulin, you play the game, you take your chances.

Marthe48

(16,904 posts)
77. Should have thought of that before the life of crime
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 11:00 AM
Nov 2020

I have no sympathy for any of the bully boy thugs creeping out from under the rocks. With or without political parties, there are things decent people do not do. Kidnapping plots, threatening people with guns, running buses of the road are not acceptable.

I grew up in the 60's and there was a lot in the news about organized crime and protection rackets, and criminals threatening citizens with property damage, physical harm or harm against their families. Whatever steps were taken to make those crimes stop needs to be put in place to stop the modern thugs. Every single white supremacist arrested needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and if found guilty of charges, get the maximun fines and time.

safeinOhio

(32,641 posts)
78. Let him out of jail.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 11:03 AM
Nov 2020

One plan they had was to tie her up, put her in a small boat and leave her adrift in Lake Michigan. Great terms for his release.

PatrickforO

(14,559 posts)
79. I hate to seem harsh here, but he really should have thought about
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 11:08 AM
Nov 2020

the consequences before he entered into a right-wing extremist plot to KIDNAP THE GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN. Seriously.

I'm all for fair and humane treatment, and a fair trial, but this guy conspired to commit an act of domestic terror.

He did. He should not be let out.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
80. Whoa! Franks is something SPECIAL.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 11:14 AM
Nov 2020

He's a domestic terrorist who wants a free pass because he's a diabetic. Oh. Well, Kaleb, you have a thinking deficit, I see. You could have assessed your health risks BEFORE YOU GOT INVOLVED IN THE KIDNAPPING PLOT. Now you're panicking. Cry me a river, Kaleb. You fucked up. Now you want special treatment, but not nearly the special kind of treatment you were willing to bestow upon the Michigan Governor. Take heart, Kaleb. You have a lawyer.

Baitball Blogger

(46,684 posts)
82. What is he afraid of? Under the Trump administration rules, even if he gets Covid and
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 11:20 AM
Nov 2020

dies from his diabetic pre-condition, the death certificate will still say Diabetes. So what if his life is shorten by the Covid. Trump doesn't see that as a factor to be concerned with.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
86. K & R
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 11:38 AM
Nov 2020

They all deserve to rot in prison. I hope every last one of them gets Covid-19 and suffer the consequences of their traitorous actions.

AllyCat

(16,152 posts)
94. The jails provide medicine on tax-payer dime.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 11:47 AM
Nov 2020

You’d think that would appeal to him. If he was worried about COVID-19, maybe he shouldn’t have been at the Capitol for an armed insurrection while wearing no mask.

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
98. What a fucking crybaby.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 11:52 AM
Nov 2020

He has access to medical care. Prison medicine isn’t the best in the world, but if you’ve got a medical license and anything between the ears, you can manage insulin treatment for diabetes and statin therapy for high cholesterol.

struggle4progress

(118,236 posts)
103. "it's unfair to put me in such dangerous conditions! I was only planning to kidnap
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 12:14 PM
Nov 2020

a public official! It's not like I would hurt anybody else!"

BobTheSubgenius

(11,560 posts)
106. I question just exactly how much he has "turned his life around."
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 12:45 PM
Nov 2020

Great that he's no longer using heroin. Radical right-wing views, up to and including REAL domestic terrorism, though? I find it a tad troubling. Just a smidge. Anyone else?

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