My prediction: the evidence of election fraud will be sweeping and breath-taking

[IDemo]

In case the daily poll dance has everyone convinced we can call this election in the bag, I think the Pandora's Box has been opened on the election fraud + voter suppression tactics of the Republican Party. They have made it abundantly clear that they don't consider cheating to be cheating if it is done to advance their candidates and interests. I expect there to be a veritable truckload of reports post-election of the long lines in predominantly Democratic polling places due to too few voting stations or machines or reduced hours, e-vote machine "irregularities", voter suppression and intimidation, and false reports of Democratic "voter fraud". And they will scream loud and long about that last one as a last resort if, despite using every trick in the book, they still lose.

[nc4bo]

1. ?

Seems we've been going through this after each election since 2000, perhaps before. Always the same Party doing the most to interfere with democracy.

We haven't addressed the problem yet.

It never seems to be a priority.

Why is this, I wonder?

[IDemo]

2. The corporate media, a hands-off Justice Department, and a disinterested population

We simply aren't all that interested in addressing problems like this, much less solving them.

[nc4bo]

15. Perhaps our election process should be remained American Idol?

Seriously.

[robinlynne]

16. more than that, the Democratic Party blocks investigations. repeatedly.

[OnyxCollie]

35. When non-systematic errors become predictable,

look for another explanatory variable.

[philly_bob]

57. There certainly have been no major investigation of voting machine hacking fraud. n/t

[tblue37]

64. I am convinced that certain powerful Democrats--especially Blue Dogs/DINOs--

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have secret deals whereby they are protected from primary challengers (especially more liberal ones) by those machines, and in return they join with Republicans in blocking attempts to investigate and correct these issues.

[2pooped2pop]

78. something along those lines

must be happening. I agree.

[nc4bo]

43. But the media and public awareness go hand in hand. We know this all too well.

Control the media, control the world.

The public can't begin to process this information or become outraged about it if the right-wing M$M doesn't cover it with even moderate amount of attention it deserves.

They've got it covered from bottom to top.

[CoffeeCat]

50. The Republican vote stealers slightly alter their tactics each election...

This year--they have a two-pronged approach.

--Voter ID--which will cause many voters---mainly Democrats--to be unable to vote.

--Purging the rolls

Here's the deal. Voter ID is going down in many states. However, purging the rolls prior to the election is flying under the radar as a tactic. They've been doing this since January of 2012.

This is not a joke, and people need to understand this: Truethevote.org is a tea-party based effort. You go to their website and sign up to "volunteer." One of the volunteer efforts IS TO GO THROUGH THE F'N VOTING ROLLS AND CALL INTO QUESTION ANYONE YOU WANT!!!!!

Yes, I'm screaming!!! Tea partiers are questioning people on the rolls. Today, an article was released in my state of Iowa--a swing state. The article reported that there are 86,000 voters that have been purged in the past six months!!!!
Article about this: Read more: http://www.kcci.com/news/central-iowa/Dems-voting-early-but-GOP-has-registration-edge/-/9357080/16793982/-/6bw383/-/index.html#ixzz27yPCKRyR

This is how they're going to do it, people!! They've slightly altered their tactics, but this time--people will show up to vote as they always have, and they won't be on the rolls. And it will be too late to do anything about it. They won't be able to vote.

BANK ON IT. I'm so mad right now I can't see straight.

[saidsimplesimon]

59. Arizona is doing a last minute purge

There is nothing on the AZ SOS website on this. The media is oddly quiet. I heard only one news outlet comment that those who recently moved to the state and those who reported less than 60% of their income are being purged. With all the seniors living here, part time, or full time, it's amazing they aren't demanding answers.

These scumbag tactics are flying under any radar. It makes me angry as well.

[outsideworld]

73. this post

Just nearly gave me a panic attack

[CoffeeCat]

79. I know...

...and I'm sorry.

I don't mean to spread panic, but this really does need to be taken seriously.

I found out yesterday that 86,000 Iowans have been purged from the voter rolls. If you look at the article (from Iowa) that I posted, the article says that Republican registrations have surpassed Democrat registrations in Iowa. The purging of the rolls is cited, by the article, as one of the reasons why Republicans surged ahead of Democrats in the number of voters registered.

I don't know WHY those 86,000 voters were purged. I don't know where those people live. But isn't it interesting that the article claims that this "purge" was responsible for Republican registrations surpassing Democratic registrations. CLEARLY, the purge happened to many, many more Dems than it did Republicans. WTF? WHY??

People need to vote and take friends and family. Volunteer. We need to behave as if we are behind ten percent, because it looks like we are--if the Republicans are purging Dem voters!

I know how you feel and it's uncomfortable. However, we can respond and volunteer and VOTE and drag everyone you can to the polls with you.

[randome]

4. Because the amount of voter fraud and suppression has been low.

It was enough to push Bush over the edge -thanks to the Supreme Court- but Gore should have had an insurmountable lead if he had run a better campaign.

Fraud and suppression need to be addressed but Republicans have not 'stolen' an election. They have bent the rules and created new ones to benefit themselves. They may have 'stolen' votes but it's always on the margins where there is little light shining on them.

[knitter4democracy]

12. The hell they didn't!

Why should someone have to have an entirely insurmountable lead in order to win? Why should any citizen's vote be nullified or erased or flipped, and why should that be okay!?

Ohio's in the margins? They freakin' stole Ohio from Kerry and blatantly, too, and yet that is in the margins? I don't think so. Read up on what really happened with those computers in Ohio and how votes were flipped, erased, and completely falsified. Ohio was stolen, and Kerry would have won if the election had been free and fair, not manipulated and stolen.

The OP is right--we need to document it all and go after the SOBs who are undermining our very democracy.

[secondwind]

20. OH machines were manipulated from TN.... fact

[mattvermont]

77. yes, and the perp.

died flying an airplane.

[randome]

28. I'm not saying that any of this is okay.

My point concerns the 'sweeping' and 'breath-taking' characterizations of fraud and suppression.

Such machinations still occur in the dark where it's unlikely to be noticed or amount to much. 'Sweeping' and 'breath-taking' sound like more civil war talk.

And we're nowhere near that point.

[knitter4democracy]

31. I believe that we are.

Talk with poll workers in heavily Dem districts about the rolls being scrubbed of people who have lived there for years and voted consistently. Talk with people who live in PA and FL. Read more on this, and you'll find it's a story the MSM just isn't reporting but is definitely there.

Gore was elected. Kerry was elected. Obama had to have such a huge margin in order to win that it was ridiculous--a margin so large even the vote tampering and election fraud couldn't overcome it. If he loses this time, it'll be the election fraud and another stolen election.

[randome]

33. I would agree with you that if Obama loses this time, it points to a stolen election.

But his margin right now (I know, don't count chickens before they hatch) is so great, it would actually take 'sweeping' and 'breath-taking' measures to make him lose.

IMO, Republicans don't have the nerve to start a civil war despite all their rhetoric. They still want to stay hidden from the light.

And they are losing. After Palin and now Romney, it's clear they have no clue what they're doing.

No one is steering the clown car.

[knitter4democracy]

46. Two stolen elections aren't enough?

That's just presidential races, mind you. How many down-ticket elections have been stolen?

They are in a civil war, and they're doing pretty well despite not having a clue. Just watch the exit polls not match the actual numbers again. We use exit polling in all other countries to determine accuracy of the voting, just not ours.

[randome]

54. If it's a civil war, they lost the last battle.

And it's painfully obvious they are losing this one.

We need to be vigilant but we need to recognize when we are winning, too.

[knitter4democracy]

65. We haven't won yet.

Some wars are won by a thousand little battles. Hitler was elected. Mussolini was elected. Britain's empire building was sanctioned by Parliament, as were all the smaller wars they waged.

Don't think this is won. They are merely perfecting their methods until even a sizable majority can't win, just like in the Senate.

[CoffeeCat]

53. Look what is happening in my state of Iowa...

Iowa is a swing state this year.

I just posted about an article released today. 86,000 voters have been purged in our state since January of 2012, in the past nine months.

We are only a state of three million people.

Half of the electorate votes. That's 1.5 million voters in Iowa.

Let's say half of those voters are Dems. That's 750,000 Democratic voters in Iowa. If you've just purged 86,000 voters in Iowa, and most of them are Dem voters--you've just frickin eliminated more than 10 percent of the Democratic vote.

This is how they will win. This is how these bastards are going to steal it.

And there will be no recourse. None at all. People will show up to vote and they simply won't be on the rolls. We'll all sit here and ruminate and wring our hands---posting furiously! And none of it will matter.

[Bainbridge Bear]

42. You are correct

I also heard on another website a few weeks ago that the Rethugs currently have "operatives" to attend to this fraud/suppression working in 30 states. Ohio was definitely stolen in 2004. The exit polls proved that. Kerry caved the very next day despite the evidence that he had been cheated of the presidency.

[nc4bo]

14. With each subsequent election, efforts have become bolder & more numerous. Perfectly understandable

when the enemies of democracy have no respect for our election process; when there is no fear of guilty parties getting caught, no fear of prosecution or conviction, no fear of severe punishment by Federal, State or local governments.

They don't even try to hide it anymore.

Our entire election system remains corrupt and corruptible until we address some fundamentals.

[global1]

27. Time To Bring In Vote Monitors From The UN To Police This Election.......

We send these people in to police elections in other countries and it seems to me that there is more blatant manipulation of elections in this country where we're supposed to set the example. It is just downright despicable.

[nc4bo]

47. Oh-oh can't have that. Imagine what people outside our borders would think about our

democracy.

That in reality, it's just another load of BS we're trying to sell.

[global1]

61. Well If The Shoe Fits......nt

[randome]

48. They DO still try to hide it. That's my point.

Voter suppression is wrapped in the cloak of 'verifying legitimate voters'. That's not 'sweeping' and 'breath-taking', that's using the rules to your advantage.

And they are getting called on that by the courts.

The consulting firm in Florida that was just fired for turning in fraudulent registrations -another example of how, when the light is shone on them, Republicans back down.

Any organization that is still afraid of their evil deeds being exposed is not 'in the mood', so to speak, for 'sweeping' and 'breath-taking' actions against the electorate.

They still want to hide from the light. That's their weakness.

[brush]

21. Stolen v Stolen

What? Repugs have not stolen an election, but may have stolen votes? Are you serious? That makes no sense. If they stole votes that led to a win by their candidate they stole an election. Don't let 'em off easy. The evidence is there that they stole the election for Bush in 2000 in Florida and in 2004 in Ohio.

[marions ghost]

67. Republicons have "NOT STOLEN AN ELECTION"....OMG

Where have you been?

[bkkyosemite]

3. While we're standing in line (well I'm in OR so by mail) and

we don't get to vote we call the FBI right then and there and state they won't let you vote..

Pelosi did say to call the local FBI if you have any voter problems on TV. Bet that line to that FBI office will be pretty busy.

[jonesgirl]

22. Post it on social medias, call local news, document document document everything! Be prepared before

you head to the polls! If you're not voting, then document your whereabouts for the entire day. This way if it ever comes down to having to prove the votes, then we can present it. It might some day come down to this kind of process. Who knows

[KaryninMiami]

58. Voting machine rigging does not interest the FBI

Or the DOJ who have done nothing to prevent it from happining again- if they had we would not have the same, non- verifiable machines.

[Safetykitten]

5. Oh yes, it will. And virtually nothing will be done about it.

[Doctor_J]

6. and ignored

Until the DoJ starts arresting and incarcerating these traitors, it will stay under the radar. The conspiracy aspect makes this ripe for RICO prosecution and associated penalties in real federal prison. Hopefully as soon as the 2nd term is assured they will lower the boom.

[lonestarnot]

8. I hope you are correct.

[jonesgirl]

23. Instead of privatizing the regular prisons, lets privatize the federal prisons! Woowee, imagine that

[The Doctor.]

63. Just what the PTB would want.

Sure, I'd love to see the prosecutions too, but we know what that would precipitate:

"Obama is going after his political enemies!"

"He's a dictator!"

"This is a political witch hunt!!!!"


Fox 'news' 24/7 reporting would whip their base into a homicidal frenzy. Creating a civil war from there would be child's play. It's for this exact same reason that Obama did not go after the war criminals in the Bush regime.

[Doctor_J]

80. I think the PTB like us doing nothing

You feel that prosecuting these traitors would start a civil war. I feel that letting their serial treason go unpunished just hands the country over to them WITHOUT a fight. To paraphrase, you prefer to live on your knees than die on your feet.

Why don't you explain how you are going to stop this behavior politely?

[The Doctor.]

83. Them's Fightin' Words!

No, of course I don't want their serial treason to go unpunished. What you don't seem to grasp is that the Obama Administration prosecuting the BA for their crimes plays right into the hands of the PTB.

The coporate media controls enough of the message that they could easily plunge us directly and quickly into fascism. The civil war would not last long given who controls the majority of our government and our military.

You've been on DU for how long and you can't see this obvious reality?

WE would be the hunted, the ones put into camps, the underdogs in a fight in which we would be unlikely to see outside intervention from other nations.
They would own this nation lock, stock and barrels, from head to toe and inside-out, and with an iron-clad fist of millions of morons who are barking fascists even today.

We might not 'lose' right away. We might not 'lose' after 10, 20, 50 years of chaos and devastation. We might win... but not until we've suffered massive losses. And that's still a "MIGHT" win.

Don't get me wrong, I'll fight. But that's not the best option while we still have a chance of averting such horrors.



As for 'politely', I'm giving it 4 more years. We'll see what Obama has in mind.


In the meanwhile, how do YOU plan on prosecuting the BA for war crimes?

[CrispyQ]

7. Yes, they've been very busy!

I will never forget the OH switch in '04.

Also, there are just general fuckups. The local paper had an notice that as many as 8,000 people who registered to vote in CO, via a mobile device, may not have actually been registered.

[Takket]

9. yeah it is amazing...

For all the times we have heard about missing boxes of votes and bizarre outcomes on voting machines in districts with red commissioners, if you ask any common man on the street for an example of fraud/abuse i bet they will all say ACORN.

[gopiscrap]

10. I say if there is suspected fraud on the GOP part

that changes the election (ie rmoney win) then we take to the streets and go crazy until something is done about it. There should not be "business as usual" until it's corrected!

[Webster Green]

34. +1

That's where I will be.

[MjolnirTime]

11. Thanks for the deep concern. I'll live in fear now.

[IDemo]

13. So you're ok with such tactics as long as you feel the margin of victory remains safe?

As has been explained by others here numerous times, our lead can shrink to within striking distance of suppression tactics between now and Election Day. Am I suggesting fearfulness? No. Concern and watchfulness, absolutely.

[jonesgirl]

24. You're not living in fear NOW??

[crazylikafox]

17. "Diebold machines can be hacked by remote control".

Is it even worse than we thought? A salon article from last week:

"It could be one of the most disturbing e-voting machine hacks to date.

Voting machines used by as many as a quarter of American voters heading to the polls in 2012 can be hacked with just $10.50 in parts and an 8th grade science education, according to computer science and security experts at the Vulnerability Assessment Team at Argonne National Laboratory in Illinois. The experts say the newly developed hack could change voting results while leaving absolutely no trace of the manipulation behind.

“We believe these man-in-the-middle attacks are potentially possible on a wide variety of electronic voting machines,” said Roger Johnston, leader of the assessment team “We think we can do similar things on pretty much every electronic voting machine.”


http://www.salon.com/2011/09/27/votinghack/singleton/

[jonesgirl]

25. That's probably why the Repubs, and especially Romney, are saying they are so confident.

[Flashmann]

18. evidence of election fraud will be sweeping and breath-taking

I believe so too...Given the RW propensity to accuse the left of schemes,scams and tactics,they themselves are using,or planning,it would be highly irresponsible to not consider,even expect to see massive examples of voter fraud brought to light....Over,above and beyond the obvious tactics we already are seeing....I started noticing,when poop chute Newt was speaker,that the louder the rw shrieked their ludicrous accusations of misconducts,the busier they seemed at committing them,themselves...

I think this might be the instance where their ploys are so blatantly obvious and widespread,the Average Joe Sixpack will finally notice.....

[Thinkingabout]

51. I too hold your view, if repubs are saying it, then they are guilty.

Of all to whine and cry about voter fraud and several elections has proven they do not have a line they will not cross. Could you imagine the wailing if the tables had been turned on them the way they have treated the rest of us.

Newtie is a prime example, seeking to impeach Clinton when he was very guilty of his womanizing at the same time and doing this with a straight face.

Democrats has to get out and vote, encourage others to vote, this is how we can take this country back and put it on the right track, without Democrats in power fraud will continue.

[Coyotl]

19. Worry about voter rolls in particular this cycle. It is abundantly clear there has been a concerted

effort to use/abuse every means possible to purge the left from registration. Until the registration deadlines pass, focus on registration verification and new registrations. What they are doing is easy to overcome by getting new and getting out voters, and registering the people who are purged.

How available are public records of purged voters?

[hrmjustin]

26. it is the only way gop can win

[TomClash]

29. You are freakin' full of it

Truth, that is.

I have saying this for two years. The general reaction has been denial, indifference, diminution or mockery. A few like you get it.

[HopelesslyLiberal]

30. It doesn't matter who votes, it's who counts the votes that matters. n/t

[NoMoreWarNow]

32. it's an easy prediction given the MO of the right-- my fervent hope is that the left

is more fired up this election-- enough to offset the criminal levels of vote suppression.

Also-- I finally feel like the bulk of the left is catching on completely to the GOP's tricks.

[KauaiK]

36. It's who COUNTS the votes - DO NOT become complacent.

It is not in the bag - just look at how Karl Rove acts. If the GOP can not legally and legitimately win they will steal the election. They proved it in 2000 and 2004. The GOP didn't want the disaster they created in 2008 and didn't fight for it.

Fraudulent registration forms are turning up all over. Oh surprise - Fox hasn't mentioned it. We must be diligent to insure (i) we get out the voters; (ii) all votes are counted; and (iii) publish the names, photos of all who try to steal it. IF they scream, we will scream louder!

[WillyT]

37. Have You Seen THIS ???

Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021441435

[IDemo]

60. I have seen it, Willy

and I added a rec to that OP. I also added still another reason in a lengthy list of why I've deleted "unbelievable" from my vocabulary. Nothing anymore fits the term.

[graham4anything]

38. I don't buy it because the fraudsters are not in the race and they don't like Mitt and Ryan

the republicans themselves do NOT at any cost want Romney and Ryan to win

meaning- the people who would benefit from a theft will be running in 2016 and are not running now.

heave a sigh of relief and make sure we all stick together and come back in 2016 united, not divided.

Because the entire mechanism (IF YOU BELIEVE 2000 and 2004 were fixed) is by and for the Bush family inc. (If you don't believe it, then there was no theft in 2000. I don't believe 2004 was stolen, I believe WE the democrats ran the wrong candidate, when the one with the fire in his belly and his modern age way of doing things (Howard Dean ) was tossed overboard and we all picked a Mitt Romney we did not love, did not really want, and didn't have the necessary fire in his belly (being forced to take John Edwards immediately pegged it as a not winner in Nov. candidate.)

IMHO everything was done to promote the Bush's and in 2016, a bush will be their nominee, make no mistake, I stake my reputation on being correct in every election but 2000 since 1960
and 1964. (only a druggie would have thought McGovern was going to get to 270 no matter how much we dreamed it could happen.)

So I don't buy the theft.

HOWEVER- The thread is titled in such a way that I do buy the thought that we will find out there was a mechanism in place to attempt it, but we all know about this and there is alot of time left, and when people are watching, unlike in 2000, a theft does not occur.
And unlike 2000 when the dems were so far behind the times, there are instant texts, tweets, and everything to unveil a Miami Dade County fake riot of Tom DeLay henchmen.

Why were the democrats, especially Al Gore democrats (who while he didn't invent the internet(s) as the lie went, Al was an integral part of the system being plugged in.
Why were the dems so far behind the times in 2000 and 2004?

Why was the official John Kerry board in 2004 hidden from public view most of the time, and then found out that SOME (not all) of the people in charge moderating were NOT DEMOCRATS AT ALL, but libertarians(Ron Paul fans seemed all over) and republicans with secret names and all.
I don't believe 2004 was a theft, I believe the Anybody but Bush was a failure. People want to love someone. Howard Dean was that man in 2004. Kerry was the one ended up, but he never made the case for people to love him, which was needed. Never showed that real fire in his belly.

In 2008, Barack Obama showed the love and was given the love and won a landslide.
(the Puma's were a rightwing distraction creation by Rush the vote Operation Kaos Limbaugh, and it failed miserably.

2016, Jeb will return, the bush family will return and the apparatus will return. It is up to us to publicize it so it don't happen.

And I believe PA will announce in the coming weeks that the ID won't take place in 2012, because there is not time to implement it(and that alone would be highly ironic given the US Court second of two decisions after they voted 7 to 2 to send it back to Florida, they voted
5 to 4 to say fuck it al gore time ran out.

But Gore should have won NH and Nader should have been called for the fraud he was, and with NH, Florida wasn't necessary. He would have won Florida had he picked Bob Graham(who I named myself for on the board), and not Joe the traitor Lieberman. Kerry would have also won Florida had he picked Graham.
But Obama is not Kerry, not Gore, not Jimmy Carter(who should have won reelection and could have if the fracture between Ted and Jimmy didn't divide.

2016 and we stick together, we may never see another republican president should that happen.

Mitt and Ryan need to be repudiated by Jeb neither can be seen as the candidate in 2016 for Jeb to lie his way back as a moderate sane republican. Again, that alone is why the theft won't happen this year. And Obama will win going away anyhow, so they couldn't steal that many votes.
(Remember-the attorney general this time is Eric Holder, not Gonzalez or Ashcroft.

[IDemo]

66. The apparatus seems to be in place this time around, too

As this thread illustrates, the "voter fraud" the pubs have been shrieking about ad-nauseam seems to have come home to roost. The voter registration company that the RNC pressured state parties in seven swing states to use turns out to be exercising fraud. As well, a voting machine company which will enjoy widespread use (not Diebold) has been shown to be run almost entirely by former Bain Capital personnel.

Add to that the ongoing efforts at voter suppression, and to believe they aren't really in the game this time is simply whistling past the graveyard.

[RBInMaine]

39. Don't get paranoid. They have tons of lawyers ready to go.

[ailsagirl]

70. With all due respect, so did Kerry in 2004

And we know what happened then

[heaven05]

40. well

just as long as, if, because of voting irregularity, My President 'loses', he doesn't roll over and say, nothing, because SCOTUS 'rules, no irregularity'. I remember someone doing that somewhere in our history allowing another idiot and his darth vader handler into the oval office. This time it's for everything this country can be, positive or negative. Our choice to not allow no argument. Do I want someone who represents genocidal people like the one in anther democratic underground thread of robme extremist saying kill the parent, put the kids up for adoption. I am really angry at that person. I wouldn't hesitate to give unto others before they can give on to me! America is beginning to piss me off! sorry I went off on a rant

[littlemissmartypants]

41. .

Lawyered Up! And Ready To Go!

[libodem]

44. After 2000 and 2004

They have had plenty of practice. They know they are out numbered, those type of people feel justified in enacting very wrong, immoral, deceitful, corrupt, practices, because they are rich and entitled.
They had this planned since the Hannah Giles and What's-his-pimp went after ACORN for helping to register the disenfranchised citizens of America. That Britebart character was a nasty one.

[ailsagirl]

71. Amen. Election fraud is no longer an unknown concept to most Americans

[CoffeeCat]

45. I am so bummed after reading this article...

...and you are so right.

Seriously, I wanted to post it as an OP, but the article just hit me square in the face with the reality. They've rigged it. They truly have. All these Republican cheaters need to do is somehow thwart the voting behaviors of 4 percent of Democrats in swing states.

Look at this article from Iowa...and weep. Here is the most important line in the article:

"The state (of Iowa) had 89,000 fewer active voters in August (2012) than in January (2012)."


Read more: http://www.kcci.com/news/central-iowa/Dems-voting-early-but-GOP-has-registration-edge/-/9357080/16793982/-/6bw383/-/index.html#ixzz27yPCKRyR

"The election of 2012 is well under way though election day is still more than a month away.

Democrats have the absentee ballot lead, with voters already returning 8,800 ballots to Republicans' 2,600 as of Friday. However, Republicans have a voter registration advantage and say they'll have a strong turnout on Election Day.

Early voting began Thursday.

Republicans took the voter registration lead in April, in part due to the 2010 primary for governor and the January caucuses that drew record GOP participation.

Part of the change also is due to a standard cleanup of voter registration rolls that involved confirming current addresses of voters by mailing notices.

The state had 89,000 fewer active voters in August than in January."


OK---let's ask ourselves something. This article is about Republican registrations and how they outnumber Dem registrations. Why would "a standard cleanup of voter registration rolls that involved confirming current addresses of voters by mailing notices" cause such a Republican RISE in voter registrations and Democratic DECREASE--thus giving the Republicans advantage" The answer--www.truethevote.org is an organization that urges TEA PARTY MEMBERS to help clean up voter rolls and patrol polling places on election day--looking for vote fraud. Tea partiers are f'n going through the voter rolls and purging people--and you can damn well bet that it's Democratic voters!!

By the way, this article states that they're "confirming current addresses of voters by mailing notices." Ok, what if someone sees a letter that looks like junk mail and tosses it in the trash? Does that mean that they did not confirm their address and that they are now purged. Holy mother of... So many people are going to show up at the polls in these swing states--AND NOT BE ABLE TO VOTE!!! THEY WON'T BE ON THE ROLLS!!

I'll avoid further comment, because I'm beside myself. No wonder these bastards are saying that the polls are all wrong. They're not trying to save face. They're jockeying for position when they do win---by cheating!!!

[LynneSin]

49. My prediction is Obama, unlike Gore or Kerry, won't back down should this happened

Gore at least gave it a fight but Kerry seemed to have given up almost immediately.

Obama, on the other hand, won't put up with it should it be obvious and it was VERY obvious in 2000 and 2004

[Doctor_J]

81. Yes he will

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He has backed down on almost everything. We just don't see all of it because the Repukes refused to accept the complete cave-ins.

[NorthCarolina]

52. My prediction, you're right and nothing will be done about it.

Diebold machines are obviously working as designed and intended.

[SCVDem]

55. French Revolution

Only American style. That's my prediction if the Repubs steal this election.

Here's why .

I'm 57 and finally landed a decent job. I also broke my foot Friday night and can't walk or climb ladders. I cannot do my job and will lose it. I also didn't work enough hours to maintain my medical insurance so tonight at midnight, it expires.

I joked with the ER staff about Romey's statement of using the ER for primary care. We all laughed at Romney's stupidity.

I will file for disability which would be done away with and will need help with my broken foot medical bills.

I am the 47 percent and I am afraid Romney and the rich will buy and steal this election!

Fuck you Mitt!

Fuck you cheating Republican/Tea Baggers!

Little wonder Xanax is so popular among the Boomers. We are scared shitless!

We also are so rich we live with the 'kids' and grand daughter in their 2 br apartment.

Fuck you obstructionist congress!

Obama/Biden must win!

[marions ghost]

69. I think they'll try to steal it again...

and if they do manage it...well...

yeah, Obama/Biden must win. This is a critical moment for this country.

[patrice]

56. There were 2 e-voting machine irregularities, people reported vocally, just while I voted in '08 &

my state isn't even contested for national level offices, though there may be some hair-splitting for local offices.

[The Doctor.]

62. And that will be different from past instances how?

There have always been 'veritable truckloads' of reports, evidence, proof, prima-facie fraud, you-name-it after elections here.

[RoccoR5955]

68. All they have to do is flip the votes in the computerized machines

They will be taken as the "official" count. The paper ballots will get "lost" or spoiled in a flood, or fire, or something else that they set up.

[BlueinOhio]

72. Backtrack

Getting caught in a recount trying to make the machine and the paper to match like they did here in Ohio

[graham4anything]

74. the dirty little secret though

is there always has been problems and no year is 100% accurate.

And we don't like to talk much about it, but in 1960, some say Nixon attempted shenanigans in certain states
But that JFK's shenanigans in other states overdid Nixon's so to say

and JFK "won".

The old "a winner does what a loser won't"
and as singer Harry Chapin once said "good artists borrow, great artists steal&quot referring to melodies and words) but Harry was also political and might now be a Senator were he still alive.

As votes are secret and no one knows which vote corresponds to which person, how can any voter know their vote counts?
How does any voter know their absenttee was even looked at?
How does anyone know where those ballots are in every election district anyhow?
Does someone guard it and is it filmed 24/7/365?

Unless we had a system where each voter is FILMED with their choice in hand, and they do not announce results for 30 days so they can verify all 200 million votes, how do we know anything???
No system is safe, no encription is secure and really, nothing can be done, because there is NO answer to having a system 100% secure when the voters votes are confidential and only the voter knows who he voted for (and hopefully did not make a mistake to disgard his vote.)

Why the rush to announce election night?
Why not have a two month voting period and the same system across the USA?(but would you trust it???)

I do think winners don't complain about the system
Losers do whine each and every time
and sorry, but I don't believe Kerry's was stolen. I believe Kerry celebrated his victory on the one yard line.
(2000 was difference, and my sole blame is Ralph Nader. Because he allowed everything that followed to happen, and he then is the one that made it happen, no other reason is needed.)

And I do believe the republicanteapartylibertarians would instantly vote to not allow blacks and minorities and woman the right to vote, and if they could, only angry white republicans would be allowed to.
And i do believe if 100% of the people were MANDITORY TO VOTE, then 100% of the time,
democrats would win from this date forward.

but people whine and whine and then don't vote, and voila, the republicans did not steal it in 2010, the democrats CONCEDED the 2010 races.

Irony is-whomever is governor controls basically the election boards in the state and that starts the shenanigans.
So, Florida and Ohio have a republican governor

Blame ourselves for people in those states voting for someone who sides with the republicans
and not with the democrats.
We could control those.
but in 2010, so many democrats stayed home and the less voters, the less democrats.

(BTW-to me, purging voters is not the same as election night theft and bad counts.

And as the republicans did the purges in broad daylight, all it means is-VOTE A FREAKIN' DEMOCRAT IN and then reverse the freakin' laws and that won't apply next time.
(and never vote another republican in ever.)

(urghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

grant me the serenity to change WHAT I CAN
grant me the serentiy to know WHAT I CANNOT CHANGE
and accept the difference
AND THEN DO #1- which is don't vote for republicans if you don't want them to "steal" elections. It really is that simple all the way down the line(including the ones that make the machines that count the vote.)

[SoCalDem]

75. The selection of 2K proved they will do ANYTHING to win.

Dem leadership has had TWELVE years and FIVE national elections to correct things, but it's only gotten more egregious and in-your-face.

The ONLY way we "take it back" is to ram through a national standard for ID and balloting the very next time we control the house/senate & white house.. NOTHING else will do.

This shit should have been part of HAVA.

[Doctor_J]

82. And that we will LET them do ANYTHING they want

When the SCOTUS building wasn't torched after Bush v. Gore, the floodgates opened and it's gotten worse for 12 years. Still nothing done about it.

[DiverDave]

76. I hope I see somebody

"intimidating" someone, please let me see it.
There will be trouble, I guaranty it.