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In 1975 the GOP was down and out. One year later, Reagan was within an ace of winning the nomination.
The day after President Biden is inaugurated, the campaign for 2022 begins.
Goodheart
(5,321 posts)My Pet Orangutan
(9,238 posts)you can never leave
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)My Pet Orangutan
(9,238 posts)Warm smell of colitas, rising up through the air
No. I disagree.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)This is one of those things we can agree to disagree about!
My Pet Orangutan
(9,238 posts)And I want to see MAGA crushed beyond recognition
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Shermann
(7,412 posts)greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)themaguffin
(3,826 posts)"Life in the fast lane"
Their response "we do"
That made me laugh, even though they can be asses at times, I do like the Eagles a lot.
Cirque du So-What
(25,929 posts)exboyfil
(17,862 posts)"Strike hard. Strike fast. No mercy."
Court expansion should be immediately on the menu along with Covid relief.
Of course it all depends on control of the Senate.
My Pet Orangutan
(9,238 posts)ProudMNDemocrat
(16,783 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)exboyfil
(17,862 posts)As a priority. Maybe the GOP will be frightened into doing the right thing in the lame duck session.
You are right about Court expansion. It guarantees reasonable decisions for at least four years. The earlier the better especially given the ultrapartisan calls by Trump to work the referees. The GOP has already surrendered the high ground. In some ways an unsuccessful but unreasonable challenge that peels off four of the worst would be a good thing.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)They have to be overpowered.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,783 posts)That is very possible. Thomas, Alito, and Kavanaugh will complain about that. Tough shit.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)...and is the correct number to match the Court's majority to the public's majority.
Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)Some of them are geographically kind of unmanageable.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Have to supervise all the unqualified and criminal judges jammed in by Moscow Mitch.
getagrip_already
(14,708 posts)The gop is assuming biden will be a one term president and they are all lining up to challenge whoever is our nominee (presumably joe, but stranger things have happened).
Everyone from cruz to junior to princess to the ass tucker are jockeying. Given the grip trump has on the party, it will probably be junior if it isn't trump himself.
The gop, especially McConnel, have laid as many traps as they can to make sure the economy will stay down and the virus stays a threat.
As for expanding the court, the trolls are already floating the cunnard that it would be unconstitutional and scotus would block it. To be sure, scotus "could" block it because they are the ultimate arbiter of what is constitutional - regardless of what the constitution actually says.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)President Biden, Speaker Pelosi, and Majority Leader Schumer will have to ignore them if they try.
getagrip_already
(14,708 posts)They interpret the constitution. Any law they find to be unconstitutional would be over ridden and disabled.
Could trump send 5 more names to the senate and the senate just confirm them? Nope. Scotus wouldn't seat them.
They can replace a fallen or resigned justice because a law lets them do that up to a cap of 9 justices.
If we change the law, and it is contested and reaches scotus, scotus could find it unconstitutional and simply not recognize any new justices appointed.
It's how the system works. Like the case where the senate merely refuses to hold potus accountable, the scotus is the place where final decisions on what is constitutional get made. Period. The system never imagined they would not vote in the countries best interests.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)SCROTUS does not have a standing army, nor any means to enforce its judgments, other than its reputation. That reputation has now been demolished.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/10/26/the-surprising-reason-were-fighting-over-the-supreme-court-and-how-to-fix-it-432448
"Of all the statements Amy Coney Barrett made during her confirmation hearings, her uncontroversial characterization of Marbury v. Madison may offer the sharpest insight into the political wars over the Supreme Court. Responding to a question about precedents, Barrett described the Supreme Courts 1803 decision in Marbury as one of seven super precedents decisions so well established that no one questions [it] anymore.
But maybe we should.
Every American history student learns that Marbury v. Madison established the Supreme Courts authority to invalidate a law it deems incompatible with the Constitution, a power referred to as judicial review. The textbooks tend to present Marbury as a morality play where Chief Justice John Marshall is the hero, Congress is the villain, and the judiciary emerges as the avatar of the Founding Fathers, fiercely defending the Constitution against incursions by legislative barbarians attempting to dismantle the architecture of American democracy.
This depiction of Marbury lionizes a power grab that has enabled the Supreme Court to function as the oracle of the Constitution for over 200 years. In recent decades the Supreme Court has wielded its authority as the ultimate decider of constitutionality with troubling frequency, dictating the federal governments approach to a wide array of social policy issues like abortion and gay marriage that fuel the countrys partisan divides.
The only thing more extraordinary than Marburys durability over more than two centuries is its status as holy writ. Nothing in the Constitution gives the Supreme Court the power of judicial review or implies that the Court should be the ultimate decider of which laws are constitutional."
getagrip_already
(14,708 posts)In a functioning democracy, the judiciary does not rely on a standing army, nor does the executive branch.
If two branches of gov't ignore process and seize power from a third, that is a coup. Changing it's makeup doesn't constitute a coup, but ignoring it's role does.
I'm just saying this may not be a slam dunk. It won't be clean no matter what happens, and if the court decides to make a stand it gets really dicey.
I'm not sure we want to go there. Maybe in '22 we will have more senators and can try impeachment, but I doubt we could ever get to 67 voting to remove irascible justices.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)The GOP minority has been implementing a slow-motion coup to steal the power from the majority of voters. Time to restore our democracy.
And you are definitely correct, this will not be a clean slam-dunk. Biggest worry is whether our Dem politicians will have the vision and courage to act without the approval of the GOP warlords.
We can't wait until '22 to begin repairing SCROTUS. SCROTUS would then spend two more years consolidating their totalitarian power.
getagrip_already
(14,708 posts)The last time the dems threatened to expand the court they backed down and started delivering fair decisions based on law rather than activism.
The expansion never happened as a result.
Maybe they will mute their decisions again. But with these wankers, I doubt it.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)My Pet Orangutan
(9,238 posts)2020, 22, 24, bgone all. no exceptions.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)But Id rather do it without the worst excesses of mediocre Boomer country-rock.
My Pet Orangutan
(9,238 posts)away
rzemanfl
(29,556 posts)What does that mean?
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,996 posts)Democratic Party, Trumpers under Republicon banner, and decent conservatives under some new banner.
And don't get me any shit about "there are no decent conservatives". I don't want to hear a mirror image of language I read on hard right sites, because neither extreme is true.
We have to quarantine the deplorables in the Trumpisser Party so that we can start getting back to the United States of America that has a working political system with real debate and an insistence on facts and reality.
Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)A Lord of The Flies reference
getagrip_already
(14,708 posts)A mental institution. Really a good song. But I'm more into lyrics than melody myself.
RelativelyJones
(898 posts)My Pet Orangutan
(9,238 posts)'69. The end/
getagrip_already
(14,708 posts)But he never actually denied it was in part about a mental hospital he had once been admitted to.
He was also an addict. So who knows what madness lurks in the minds of songwriters......
Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)When I lived there we used to joke about people who left, but were back in less than a year. Usually the winters drive them home.
My Pet Orangutan
(9,238 posts)Happy talk LA LA land, where everything is possible, and nothing is affordable.
It looks all the same, but the price of entry is long lost.
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