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found on facebook -- FREAKING PERFECT! (Original Post) madamesilverspurs Sep 2012 OP
I don't get it. Brickbat Sep 2012 #1
Looks like a Titanic (movie) photoshop. BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #2
So the joke is Titanic, not the implied homosexuality? Brickbat Sep 2012 #4
oferkiiyiii... madamesilverspurs Sep 2012 #5
Got it. Brickbat Sep 2012 #7
Plus there is the implication that Romney will sacrifice himself Lucinda Sep 2012 #13
Along with the whole "I'm King of the world!!" Indpndnt Sep 2012 #15
Look, we are steeped in a society that is racist, sexist, and heterosexist. antigone382 Oct 2012 #108
Most men who wear dresses, other than drag performers at gay clubs xfundy Oct 2012 #81
The Titanic........ djean111 Sep 2012 #3
The original: pinboy3niner Sep 2012 #11
Oh, I do know. I just can't figure out if the joke is the ship or the implied gay romance. Brickbat Sep 2012 #12
SINKING SHIP SINKING SHIP SINKING SHIP madamesilverspurs Sep 2012 #14
Those XZ90P1R64ZZL882.7 workouts are certainly building up ol' Pauls Pectorals. Buns_of_Fire Sep 2012 #6
LOL! lunatica Sep 2012 #10
Doomed bro-mance aboard the HMS Mittanic. nt SunSeeker Sep 2012 #8
"You are the wind beneath my wings." nt DCKit Sep 2012 #9
That picture just creeps me out. skydive forever Sep 2012 #16
Perhaps it's.... Oilwellian Sep 2012 #18
Yeah, transgender people are a laugh riot too. UnrepentantLiberal Oct 2012 #75
God, some of the replies in this thread... obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #94
For a second there........ left on green only Sep 2012 #19
Getting up off the floor malaise Sep 2012 #17
I don't get it---it's mocking a homosexual couple? post_rinse_repeat. Sep 2012 #20
It's funny when you take into account the right wing reaction to the homosexual reference... rfranklin Sep 2012 #23
Yeah, as a gay person I'm not seeing that. At all. yardwork Oct 2012 #55
I'm straight and I don't see it either mythology Oct 2012 #106
As a gay man I'm sick of seeing this crap here FreeState Sep 2012 #24
i don't know why people think this crap is funny fizzgig Sep 2012 #27
Because they get away with it here FreeState Sep 2012 #29
I didn't think it referred to homosexuality when I first saw it. Th1onein Oct 2012 #54
communicating they're doomed and too stupid to know it can be accomplished fizzgig Oct 2012 #61
Why would depicting someone as gay automatically mean that it's supposed to be funny? Th1onein Oct 2012 #68
i went back and reread what you wrote and i owe you an apology fizzgig Oct 2012 #72
You're a nice person, fizzgig. Th1onein Oct 2012 #73
i'm just a passionate ally to the lgbt community fizzgig Oct 2012 #74
Please see my response to 26 madamesilverspurs Sep 2012 #32
The image is homophobic and insulting FreeState Sep 2012 #36
I disagree with your second-to-last sentence. yardwork Oct 2012 #64
Please see my response to 26 madamesilverspurs Sep 2012 #34
This lesbian is right there with you, FreeState. yardwork Oct 2012 #53
Actually I don't get you... MrMickeysMom Oct 2012 #114
Funny stuff. Too bad humorless people have to overanalyze it... nt Comrade_McKenzie Sep 2012 #21
LOL! Well, we sure do know which of these two survived... at least in the movie... calimary Sep 2012 #22
Seems more than a bit odd, and I'm not sure it serves any purpose. Kennah Sep 2012 #25
Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #26
So I am "shameful, ignorant, idiotic" madamesilverspurs Sep 2012 #30
You didn't see one of the most famous romantic cinema couples of our time? Iggo Oct 2012 #44
FWIW I believe that you are sincere. Puglover Oct 2012 #46
You envy the photoshop skills on display in that image? Seriously? yardwork Oct 2012 #58
you're just perpetuating the gay=bad nonsense fizzgig Sep 2012 #28
Please see my response to 26 madamesilverspurs Sep 2012 #31
still doesn't mean it's not homophobic fizzgig Sep 2012 #33
Unrec for homophobia. Iggo Sep 2012 #35
What the heck? MineralMan Sep 2012 #37
Dammit, I am FUCKING DONE!!! madamesilverspurs Sep 2012 #38
No, it's not the "fucking Titanic." MineralMan Sep 2012 #39
I don't think I've ever sharp_stick Sep 2012 #40
Check out the OP. She's offended that people are offended by her OP. yardwork Oct 2012 #57
Your doubling down is ufnbelievalble. boston bean Oct 2012 #45
For what it's worth, I saw it the same way you did DesertRat Oct 2012 #67
I did too. pipi_k Oct 2012 #88
It's not how one saw it at first, it's how one is seeing it now. idwiyo Oct 2012 #90
I understand what you're saying DesertRat Oct 2012 #98
Yes, another DUer alerted on it before I did. Please see inside for the link. idwiyo Oct 2012 #99
Thanks nt DesertRat Oct 2012 #100
Oh poor you. UnrepentantLiberal Oct 2012 #76
Might I suggest a self-delete so... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #41
"the offended" aren't the problem. Gormy Cuss Oct 2012 #47
I hate it when that happens on a Democratic discussion forum. UnrepentantLiberal Oct 2012 #77
Iceberg dead ahead! Blue Owl Oct 2012 #42
LMAOOO outsideworld Oct 2012 #43
Oh come on, people. Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #48
What would gay people do without straight people to tell us what to be offended about. yardwork Oct 2012 #59
Obviously it doesn't matter a shit what GLTB members of this website think. Puglover Oct 2012 #62
Perfect... DURHAM D Oct 2012 #65
The two main people in the movie "Titanic" were Jack & whats-her-name, Kate's character. Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #63
But photoshopping them as the two main players in the love story Gormy Cuss Oct 2012 #66
I'm a gay man and don't find it offensive. Hosnon Oct 2012 #49
No, sorry, this doesn't work. kiva Oct 2012 #50
I am trans and I do find this highly offensive.... Evasporque Oct 2012 #51
I will welcome your pizza Paulie Oct 2012 #52
+1 idwiyo Oct 2012 #70
Iceburg dead ahead Captain! MiniMe Oct 2012 #56
Last word I will have on this post.... Evasporque Oct 2012 #60
We DO care, Evasporque. Th1onein Oct 2012 #69
I stand with you. That picture is offensive and shit like this shouldn't allowed on DU. idwiyo Oct 2012 #71
I stand with you as well and find this thread UnrepentantLiberal Oct 2012 #78
Spam deleted by Behind the Aegis (MIR Team) lighting4 Oct 2012 #79
I saw this graphic many times yesterday Summer Hathaway Oct 2012 #80
Bigotry, like everything else, is often in the eye of the beholder... idwiyo Oct 2012 #82
What I saw Summer Hathaway Oct 2012 #83
It's not what you saw, it's what you are refusing to see - bigotry. idwiyo Oct 2012 #86
It's amazing! Iggo Oct 2012 #92
This obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #95
That would be like letting the other team win, you know. Or control them. Or something. idwiyo Oct 2012 #96
I saw what I saw. Summer Hathaway Oct 2012 #97
Once more, this is not what you saw, it's what you are refusing to see. idwiyo Oct 2012 #102
It will remain 'bigoted' against Summer Hathaway Oct 2012 #103
There are several members of DU GLBTQ community in this thread who found this image to idwiyo Oct 2012 #104
If every thread Summer Hathaway Oct 2012 #109
These are members of DU GLBTQ community. Not "one group or another". idwiyo Oct 2012 #111
By 'one group or another' Summer Hathaway Oct 2012 #112
And this were a joke that you thought was in someway directed towards Puglover Oct 2012 #113
I've seen/heard many jokes Summer Hathaway Oct 2012 #115
Oh wow. Puglover Oct 2012 #116
If you think anything I have said here Summer Hathaway Oct 2012 #117
How can this get 59 recs? Prometheus Bound Oct 2012 #84
See post #80 and #83 Behind the Aegis Oct 2012 #85
Just tell me you see it now. Iggo Oct 2012 #87
Doubt it. Very much so. By now they could have deleted the picture and posted an apology. idwiyo Oct 2012 #89
To hell with apologies. Iggo Oct 2012 #101
Maybe we are both wrong and that image is not bigoted? I'll go have a look at it again. idwiyo Oct 2012 #105
Please delete this. You are offending a bunch of people and unless you are LaurenG Oct 2012 #91
Subtle and not so subtle homophobia abounds. The Link Oct 2012 #93
Best to self-delete the thread pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #107
Jayzus, lame gay reference, "Titanic," and fucking Facebook. WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2012 #110

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
108. Look, we are steeped in a society that is racist, sexist, and heterosexist.
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 12:35 AM
Oct 2012

Failure to be white, male, and straight is grounds for ridicule, and a justification of cruel and dehumanizing stereotypes. These elements of our culture are so deeply imbedded in each of us that it is almost impossible to be fully aware of it. Perhaps you did not see the way that this image uses homosexuality and transgenderism for the purposes of mockery--you would not be the first person with good intentions to discover the racism, sexism, and homophobia that are so deeply driven into our psyches in this culture. If you can put yourselves in the shoes of gays, lesbians, and transgender people who have been dehumanized, stereotyped, and assaulted or even murdered, then perhaps you will see how an image of a man's head photoshopped on a woman's body would cause such a visceral reaction.

There is no shame in learning from the experience, and taking this opportunity to delete the thread and admit the unintended hurt that was caused. Life is about learning to be a better and more aware person, and you have been given an opportunity to do just that. Please take it.

xfundy

(5,105 posts)
81. Most men who wear dresses, other than drag performers at gay clubs
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 03:48 AM
Oct 2012

are heterosexual.

I have to admit that just seeing the faces was enough to get the joke (for me; your mileage obviously varied) and I didn't even notice the dress at first, though I remembered the scene from the movie.

Not hatin', just find it interesting how everyone looks at everything with their own brain and all its' accumulated shtuff. Meanwhile, I've been known to have a nearly violent reaction to typefaces that would probably go by most without even a gasp.

left on green only

(1,484 posts)
19. For a second there........
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 04:20 PM
Sep 2012

.....I thought Romney was doing Ryan from behind. You know, advance preparation for what he will do to the country if he is elected.

 
20. I don't get it---it's mocking a homosexual couple?
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 04:24 PM
Sep 2012

I guess it's funny if you consider calling two men lovers to be an insult...

 

rfranklin

(13,200 posts)
23. It's funny when you take into account the right wing reaction to the homosexual reference...
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 04:52 PM
Sep 2012

It's the type of humor as done by Stephen Colbert. It's actually mocking their intolerance. It's mocking the faux loving embraces that these two are giving each other at campaign rallies.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
106. I'm straight and I don't see it either
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 12:02 AM
Oct 2012

There are plenty of hypocritical things to mock Republicans about. For example Paul Ryan talking about how bad the stimulus was but at the same time advocating for the spending in his district.

FreeState

(10,547 posts)
24. As a gay man I'm sick of seeing this crap here
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 05:11 PM
Sep 2012

People will try and say its something else like they always do, but it's homophobic imagery at its finest. It's highly offensive to me and many people in the LGBT community. Post like this quite frankly make me wonder why I even post on DU anymore.

fizzgig

(24,146 posts)
27. i don't know why people think this crap is funny
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 06:33 PM
Sep 2012

and then tell anyone who gets offended that they're been too sensitive and to get over it

FreeState

(10,547 posts)
29. Because they get away with it here
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 06:40 PM
Sep 2012

At Sun Sep 30, 2012, 05:31 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

found on facebook -- FREAKING PERFECT!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021441890

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

YOUR COMMENTS:

Homophobic imagery used to discredit or make fun of the GOP. The defense that this is about a sinking ship doesn't work, neither of the characters were in charge of the ship. This is no different than Blackface - it's offensive, homophobic and makes me as a gay man feel unwelcome on DU.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sun Sep 30, 2012, 05:40 PM, and voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: The only way to stop this crap is to hide it when it appears. There is so much to mock about republicans that we don't need to imply they're gay lovers as if that was a bad thing. Stop it.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: I didn't think it was a homophobic but just silly, but based on the alerter's explanation, I would say to hide it.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I don't see how the post is homophobic. I would like to hear more from the alerter as to why he thinks that it is.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: It's a bit odd.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: Nothing funny about hating on gay Americans.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Thank you.

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
54. I didn't think it referred to homosexuality when I first saw it.
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 12:21 PM
Oct 2012

I just thought it was funny, initially, because of the idiotic look on Ryan's face. I did get the Titanic reference, ie., sinking ship, though. What I thought of, after laughing at Ryan's face, was that this duo was doomed and too blissfully stupid to know it.

I'm not saying you're too sensitive, just giving my opinion on the post, and my initial reaction.

fizzgig

(24,146 posts)
61. communicating they're doomed and too stupid to know it can be accomplished
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 02:15 PM
Oct 2012

without the omg they're gay har har har. it's offensive to the lgbt community and their allies, we don't imply people are gay just to laugh at them. we should be supporting lgbts, not alienating them.

and i've found that anytime says 'i'm not saying you're....', they're usually saying you are.

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
68. Why would depicting someone as gay automatically mean that it's supposed to be funny?
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 07:25 PM
Oct 2012

Sorry, I don't get that. That's like laughing at gay people getting married. Why is that somehow inherently funny? Sorry, it's not, unless you're some kind of sick ass homophobe.

The reason I said that I'm NOT saying that you're overly sensitive is because YOU or someone else said that that's what people here are saying when you object to the post. And, you know, it's the kind of thing that you say when someone HAS been told previously that they've been accused of being oversensitive, and you are trying to make sure that they know that YOUR judgement is not the same of them.

I guess it's okay, though, for you to imply that I'm a liar. WOW. Just wow.

fizzgig

(24,146 posts)
72. i went back and reread what you wrote and i owe you an apology
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 09:22 PM
Oct 2012

knee-jerk reaction on my part.

their faces have been photoshopped onto a pair of lovers enjoying a moment together, that is what i see, not imminent disaster.

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
73. You're a nice person, fizzgig.
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 09:52 PM
Oct 2012

You don't owe me an apology. Not everyone thinks the same way I do, and I can understand, when they've been abused by society the way that LGBT people have, why they don't. Sometimes, I can be pretty dense.

FreeState

(10,547 posts)
36. The image is homophobic and insulting
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 08:25 PM
Sep 2012

The two in the movie had nothing to do with the ship going down.

Please don't tell minorities what they can find offensive. While not every gay person in the world would agree with me, there is a reason photos such as this one were banned on DU2. I wish they were on DU3.

yardwork

(61,331 posts)
64. I disagree with your second-to-last sentence.
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 03:00 PM
Oct 2012

In my experience this photo would probably not have been deleted on old DU. Instead, this thread would have been locked as a "flame war" and the whole thing would be down the memory hole. At least this way we can all talk openly about this.

yardwork

(61,331 posts)
53. This lesbian is right there with you, FreeState.
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 12:20 PM
Oct 2012

If one removes the "Romney and Ryan are gay!!! = rotfl" aspect then there is simply no joke here at all.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
114. Actually I don't get you...
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:15 PM
Oct 2012

I don't think that would draw a roar of laughter, do you? Oh, I guess you do...

[url=http://www.cosgan.de/smilie.php][img][/img][/url]

Response to madamesilverspurs (Original post)

madamesilverspurs

(15,774 posts)
30. So I am "shameful, ignorant, idiotic"
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 08:13 PM
Sep 2012

for sharing a pic that shows two humans headed for a shipwreck? And that is ALL I saw. Well, not all, actually -- I saw photoshop skills that I envy. Please don't accuse me of something I did not do.

-

Iggo

(47,470 posts)
44. You didn't see one of the most famous romantic cinema couples of our time?
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 08:19 AM
Oct 2012

In fact, the most famous picture of the most famous romantic movie couple in recent cinematic history? You see that picture and all you see is a shipwreck?

Come on!

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
46. FWIW I believe that you are sincere.
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 11:06 AM
Oct 2012

But speaking as a gay man, trust me, that pic wasn't meant on as you see it. Perhaps one of the implications was that they are headed towards a ship wreck. But it's also projecting them as gay and is being used as a pejorative. I'm not attacking but asking you to see it from my angle.

Thanks.

yardwork

(61,331 posts)
58. You envy the photoshop skills on display in that image? Seriously?
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 12:25 PM
Oct 2012

That's one of the most poorly executed photoshops I've ever seen.

fizzgig

(24,146 posts)
28. you're just perpetuating the gay=bad nonsense
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 06:36 PM
Sep 2012

there are plenty of things to slam those two assholes on, why imply that they are gay as though it's a bad thing?

MineralMan

(146,116 posts)
37. What the heck?
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:04 PM
Sep 2012

Ugly stuff, and unfit for DU. Making gay allegations against Ryan sucks. Why not attack his politics? Why imply that he is gay, as if that was somehow a terrible thing?

And all the recs? Ugh!

madamesilverspurs

(15,774 posts)
38. Dammit, I am FUCKING DONE!!!
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:08 PM
Sep 2012

Abosolutely no offense was intended. I saw nothing but SHIP GOING DOWN. Same thing that lots of other people saw.

So lay the fuck off, willya? It's the fucking TITANIC!

Shit.


-

MineralMan

(146,116 posts)
39. No, it's not the "fucking Titanic."
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:21 PM
Sep 2012

That was a man and a woman in that movie. Someone has shopped two men into the image, and the implication that they're gay and that's somehow bad is implicit in the connection to the Titanic, which was about a relationship between a man and a woman.

I saw that the instant I saw the photo. I saw the Titanic, which was a sticky sweet, contrived love story with a tearjerker ending.

And who are the men? Well, that's what's wrong, isn't it? Yes, they're "going down," aren't they.

The whole thing was explicitly done to imply a homosexual relationship between the men who were pictured. And it's politically loaded, besides.

What did you think people were going to think? It's a disgusting image and one that should never have been posted here, in my opinion.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
67. For what it's worth, I saw it the same way you did
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 06:09 PM
Oct 2012

I thought that the Titanic reference was clever. But, I didn't recognize was the other guy with Ryan. I guess it's supposed to be Romney.

I wouldn't have thought about the gay reference until I read the replies here. And having been lectured here on DU as well, I understand and feel for you. Peace.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
88. I did too.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 09:39 AM
Oct 2012

I suppose the creator of the image could have put Ryan and Romney's heads on the bodies of a couple of men who were merely passengers on the Titanic, but Jack and Rose were the absolute stars on that sinking ship, and it wouldn't have been the same.

What's disturbing to me isn't that people see something a whole different way...it's that they're insisting that others see it the same way they do, and if they don't, those people are stupid, evil, blind, homophobe apologists, or just plain homophobic themselves.

"What??? You don't see it the same way I do??? Shame on you! You are dead to me! Welcome to my ignore list!!!" etc., etc.

So I think it's always a good thing when people on both sides can try to see it from the other side. At least one person who sees the picture as "homophobic" has asked someone else to try to see it from his/her POV. Fair enough, as long as that person is also willing to try and see it from a POV other than his/her own....if only to be assured that the person who doesn't see it as homophobic isn't stupid, blind, amoral, or evil.


idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
90. It's not how one saw it at first, it's how one is seeing it now.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:48 AM
Oct 2012

It was explained again and again why this pic is offensive. OP could have deleted the pic, apologised, and it would be the end of it.
People defending the OP's innocence (or their own) could have accepted by now that this image is bigoted against gay and transgender people and moved on instead of insisting there is nothing wrong with it and posting shit like this:


... Bigotry, like everything else, is often in the eye of the beholder.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
98. I understand what you're saying
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 07:30 PM
Oct 2012

If the OP is alerted on, then a DU jury can decide to hide it. Do you know if anyone has tried that? I apologize if this has already been discussed, but I haven't read through every reply.

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
99. Yes, another DUer alerted on it before I did. Please see inside for the link.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:32 PM
Oct 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1240&pid=149246


AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

At Sun Sep 30, 2012, 05:31 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

found on facebook -- FREAKING PERFECT! http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021441890

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/? com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Homophobic imagery used to discredit or make fun of the GOP. The defense that this is about a sinking ship doesn't work, neither of the characters were in charge of the ship. This is no different than Blackface - it's offensive, homophobic and makes me as a gay man feel unwelcome on DU.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Sep 30, 2012, 05:40 PM, and the Jury voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: The only way to stop this crap is to hide it when it appears. There is so much to mock about republicans that we don't need to imply they're gay lovers as if that was a bad thing. Stop it.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: I didn't think it was a homophobic but just silly, but based on the alerter's explanation, I would say to hide it.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I don't see how the post is homophobic. I would like to hear more from the alerter as to why he thinks that it is.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: It's a bit odd.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: Nothing funny about hating on gay Americans.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
41. Might I suggest a self-delete so...
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 11:43 PM
Sep 2012

discussion will end and the offended might find something else to be offended about.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
48. Oh come on, people.
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 11:47 AM
Oct 2012

The metaphor is the Titanic. Jeez, it's about as obvious as an iceberg in front of your face.

Why are people trying to be offended about nothing?

yardwork

(61,331 posts)
59. What would gay people do without straight people to tell us what to be offended about.
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 12:39 PM
Oct 2012

Gosh, it's so compassionate of straight people to try to help us gay folk in this way. Without your wise counsel we would stumble around trying to be offended by things that you have decided, in your wisdom and superiority, are unimportant.

After all, who are gay people to determine whether or not we are offended by something homophobic.

Do you help out other minorities in this way too?

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
62. Obviously it doesn't matter a shit what GLTB members of this website think.
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 02:18 PM
Oct 2012

As long as we get our yuck yucks. It is so disheartening and disgusting.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
63. The two main people in the movie "Titanic" were Jack & whats-her-name, Kate's character.
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 02:59 PM
Oct 2012

The two main people running for the presidency as Republicans are Romney & Ryan. The Titanic went down, as the campaign is. I really think it's as simple as that.

But, I guess others are reading a lot more into it than I am.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
66. But photoshopping them as the two main players in the love story
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 06:04 PM
Oct 2012

especially with Ryan in obvious drag, is not sitting well with a number of the LGBT members here and they've explained why.

A better way to present the Titanic metaphor would be to use the two of them standing on the deck without embracing and without Ryan in drag. Sure, it might take a little more work to find a 'shoppable image but it also would far less ambiguous in intent.

Hosnon

(7,800 posts)
49. I'm a gay man and don't find it offensive.
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 11:58 AM
Oct 2012

I may be missing something though - certainly not claiming it isn't offensive..

Evasporque

(2,133 posts)
51. I am trans and I do find this highly offensive....
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 12:07 PM
Oct 2012

Using transsexualism as a method of ridicule really pisses me off....

And don't say that was not the intent...you only have to look at the responses.

I have alerted this post.

Evasporque

(2,133 posts)
60. Last word I will have on this post....
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 12:41 PM
Oct 2012

I have put about 12 people on my full iggie list thanks to this post, and before I delete the post I will add the OPer to it...I highly recommend anyone offended by using LGBT implied imagery for ridicule to do the same. I can laugh at myself and with my LGBT friends who understand sometimes things within context of time and place are funny. This board I feel has determined time and place for this type of crude humor and it was found not to be here.

Finding humor in this picture says a lot about the type of person you are and how you conduct yourself....in a time when trans people in particular struggle for acceptance by people who are allegedly LGBT allies I find this type of humor not humorous at all...

When you go through each day listening to people laugh at you and look at you in disgust and some occasionally out right feel they are entitled to ridicule me and make me personally feel less than human...I have learned to fight back...for the OPer if you fail to see how this image is offensive I suggest you do some soul searching....the same goes for the rest of you who laughed knowing it was wrong but didn't care and felt entitled to keep the humor and throwing away any feeling that maybe this is wrong. People who can't see what they do is wrong are the ones that end up on my list because more often than not a large percentage are RW trolls and simple a disruptor.

Yes I take this kind of shit personally because it adds to to the overall bullshit LGBT people have to put up with each day...and some shit we can control I will exercise that control... this one of the few places I can do that.

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
69. We DO care, Evasporque.
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 07:32 PM
Oct 2012

Maybe we should just say that if it offends anyone, we should take it down. I, personally, don't understand why it should be offensive, but I don't walk in your shoes, either, my friend. Maybe I WOULD find it offensive, if I had to put up with what you have to put up with every day. I am so sorry. Truly.

Maybe, someday, we will live in a world where LGBT persons will not have to worry about all the shit that the world gives them just because of their gender; then maybe it will not hurt so much. But that day is not here yet, and we should be more careful until it does, I guess.

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
80. I saw this graphic many times yesterday
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 03:09 AM
Oct 2012

posted on FB by friends there, many of whom are gay. They saw it - as I did - as merely a comment on how the Romney/Ryan campaign is destined to go down like the Titanic.

The OP often shares humorous graphics she's found on FB and other sites here on DU. There is nothing in her previous postings thereof to date to suggest any gay-bashing agenda. And yet those of you who chose to see it that way are relentless in your unfounded supposition that he/she intended something demeaning.

You say that you don't want to be told what to find offensive or not.

By the same token, don't tell others of us that we MUST see obvious gay-bashing when all we really saw was a photoshop depicting two totally oblivious people about to go down with their sinking ship.

Bigotry, like everything else, is often in the eye of the beholder.

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
82. Bigotry, like everything else, is often in the eye of the beholder...
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:07 AM
Oct 2012

One man embracing another man from behind... The man in front is depicted as having breasts and wearing a bra... The non-favourable comparison to romantically involved couple of heterosexual adults one of whom is about to die for no fault of his own...

Please, do tell me which part is that hilariously funny, non-bigoted one that am I missing here?

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
83. What I saw
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:22 AM
Oct 2012

was a well-recognized movie 'still' depicting two people who thought they were on top of the world, and were about to plunged into the ocean.

Jack and Rose - Romney and Ryan.

Am I supposed to apologize for not seeing something beyond that - or for not looking for something more sinister?

If you read something 'more' into it, that's on you. The rest of us are not obligated to read it the same way you did.

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
86. It's not what you saw, it's what you are refusing to see - bigotry.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:48 AM
Oct 2012

Not even subtle bigotry but one right in your face. This is a homophobic image, and no amount of spin is going to make it OK.

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
97. I saw what I saw.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 07:09 PM
Oct 2012

A play on a famous scene from 'The Titanic', Romney and Ryan portrayed as dolts, too self-absorbed and stupid to realize their impending doom.

Whatever you saw is your take; not mine - and certainly not that of the thousands of people who have posted this pic and 'got' the intended joke, many of whom (from my own experience on FB) are my gay/lesbian friends.

Your perception of things is your own. You are not in a position to dictate what others 'should see', any more than you would accept others telling YOU what you should see.

If this is, as you say, definitely a homophobic image, why is it that so many gays/lesbians didn't get that? Are they somehow less gay than the next person? Should they be drummed out of the community because they don't see what YOU see?

Some people look at classic paintings of naked men/women and see an artist's glorification of the human form. Others see a bunch of wanton hedonists flaunting their sexuality. Eye of the beholder.

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
102. Once more, this is not what you saw, it's what you are refusing to see.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 09:37 PM
Oct 2012

You don't have to agree with me on anything. You see what you want to see and how you want to see it.

Just because many of your gay/lesbian friends on FB "got" the joke does not change the reality of what is actually portrayed in this image: one man embracing another man from behind, man in the front portrayed having breasts and wearing a bra.

You can spin that all you like. You can even compare that image to the "classic paintings of naked men/women".

The image will remain bigoted against gay and transgender people. Nothing is going to change that.

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
103. It will remain 'bigoted' against
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:48 PM
Oct 2012

gay and transgendered people who find it to be so.

The fact is that many gay/lesbian/transgendered people do not perceive it as bigoted in the way you perceive it.

And nothing is going to change that either.

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
104. There are several members of DU GLBTQ community in this thread who found this image to
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 11:19 PM
Oct 2012

be offensive and bigoted, and asked for it to be deleted.

Their opinion is all that really matters here. Not yours, not mine but theirs.

Good enough for me to stand by them. Is it good enough for you?

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
109. If every thread
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 12:44 AM
Oct 2012

that one group or another found to be offensive and bigoted on this site was deleted, DU would be one large, empty screen.

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
111. These are members of DU GLBTQ community. Not "one group or another".
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 05:16 AM
Oct 2012

They did not ask for OP to be banned or shamed. They asked for the image they find offensive to be deleted. M

Would you react the same way if the image in question had even a possibility of racist undertones in it? I doubt it very much so.

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
112. By 'one group or another'
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 07:52 PM
Oct 2012

I meant the various factions here who are constantly finding things they think offensive - from certain words, certain language, certain photos, certain topics, etc. If they all had their way in each instance, there wouldn't be much left on DU to read.

I believe that many people saw this particular graphic in the same way I did: You look at it, get the joke that it's two people about to go down a la The Titanic. And that's it. I moved on. I saw the image many times on different websites and FB, but never took a closer look than I did the first time. Joke understood - no point in looking at it a second time, or scrutinizing it in search of some other meaning.

I understand that some people are offended by certain things that others may not be. What one finds offensive varies from person to person; that's human nature.

What I have a problem with, however, is being told that if I don't see that offensive 'something' that others are seeing, I am insensitive, or dismissive of their feelings, or just plain stupid. When I am told that I am deliberately ignoring the bigotry because it's so blatant and in-your-face -- well, if it was so blatant, why didn't I see it? Why have thousands of other people not seen it?

Maybe it's not as blatant as it appears to someone else. Maybe it's that people 'got the joke' of Romney/Ryan about to go down with their ship, and simply moved on.

To label anyone who doesn't see things in exactly the same way as others might see it as bigoted or insensitive is - well, bigoted and insensitive.







Puglover

(16,380 posts)
113. And this were a joke that you thought was in someway directed towards
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:12 PM
Oct 2012

President Obama you would the first one to be screaming to the rafters if other DUer's just didn't "see it" And waded in with comments like

"To label anyone who doesn't see things in exactly the same way as others might see it as bigoted or insensitive is - well, bigoted and insensitive."

I can just hear it.

Give me a break.




Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
115. I've seen/heard many jokes
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:32 PM
Oct 2012

at Obama's expense. And found them clever and/or funny - despite not always agreeing with their premise.

"I can just hear it."

Only in your own mind.

Funny how so many who decry being the victims of being pre-judged based on their sexual orientation, their color, their ethnicity, their religion, etc., are so quick to judge others based on absolutely nothing, other than their own prejudices.



Puglover

(16,380 posts)
116. Oh wow.
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 08:50 PM
Oct 2012

I am so happy you find it funny that I have learned to recognize homophobic bullshit at 58 years of age and the sum of that is "based oh absolutely nothing other than my own prejudices" Why it simply could not have a thing to do with my experiences as a gay man.

"Only in your own mind"

Hardly, your posts on this site speak loudly and clearly.

And I'm not the "victim" of anything. I simply call it like I see it.

Oh and PS I don't recall reading any jokes on this site that were used as a pejorative against President Obama that weren't called out for the bullshit that they were. Funny that you thought they were "clever and funny".

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
117. If you think anything I have said here
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:44 PM
Oct 2012

can be characterized as meaning a perception of homophobia by gays/lesbians is "based on absolutely nothing other than (their) own prejudices", you're 58 years obviously should have included a few hours devoted to honing your reading comprehension skills.

"Oh and PS I don't recall reading any jokes on this site that were used as a pejorative against President Obama that weren't called out for the bullshit that they were. Funny that you thought they were "clever and funny"."

I have a newsflash for you. DU does not constitute the world at large - it is, in fact, a very small portion of what is available in the real world via the internet, the media, TV and radio, newspapers, magazines, interaction among actual people, etc.

You didn't see any jokes on DU used as a "pejorative against President Obama". Well, I guess that settles it then. If it wasn't on DU, it must not actually exist.


Behind the Aegis

(53,792 posts)
85. See post #80 and #83
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 04:54 AM
Oct 2012

There are a few others as well, but that really explains how this type of bigoted shit gets a pass here.

Iggo

(47,470 posts)
87. Just tell me you see it now.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 09:23 AM
Oct 2012

I'm willing to believe that you didn't see the homophobia before you posted it. But since it's been pointed out to you numerous times, you do see it now. Don't you?

Iggo

(47,470 posts)
101. To hell with apologies.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:49 PM
Oct 2012

I just wanted the OP to give me a "Yeah, I see it now." That's it. Couldn't even meet me in the middle. DU used to be better than this.

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
105. Maybe we are both wrong and that image is not bigoted? I'll go have a look at it again.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 11:53 PM
Oct 2012

...several minutes later...

Nah, it is what it is - pure and unadulterated homophobic crap. It should have been deleted by OP long time ago.

LaurenG

(24,841 posts)
91. Please delete this. You are offending a bunch of people and unless you are
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 11:25 AM
Oct 2012

trying to offend us on purpose take it down. When a normal loving person is told please stop that hurts, they stop. A bully enjoys the pain they inflict.


Choose, which one are you?

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
107. Best to self-delete the thread
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 12:09 AM
Oct 2012

I don't doubt the good intentions of the OP poster, but the homophobic nuances of the image are inescapable.

When in doubt, it pays to listen to the views of our LGBT community here and to respect their feelings.

Again, I have absolutely no doubt that the post was well-intentioned. But the responses should leave no doubt that this is just wrong.

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