It should be stated... if this were a popular vote election it WOULD NOT BE CLOSE.

[aaaaaa5a]

The only reason we are watching nervously tonight is because of the electoral college. There is no dispute the majority of our nation wake up this morning wanting the Democratic Party and Joe Biden to be our leader.

Since 1992, (28 Years) the GOP Presidential candidate has won the popular vote only once. Yet because of this undemocratic system of selecting a President, they won the Presidency twice during this span thanks to the electoral college. Everyone says Hillary ran a bad campaign. But since when does a bad campaign get you 3 MILLION more votes than your opponent?

As we watch the returns today keep these facts in mind. The real enemy here is the electoral college. We are being governed by the minority thanks to an antiquated, arguably racist system that needs to change.

Imagine Donald Trump winning the Presidency twice while losing the popular vote decisively both times?

This is a rigged game that needs to change.

[beachbumbob]

1. A bad campaign can cost you 85,000 votes and 3 states EV which mde ump tinner

butt why t fuck are we talking about Hillary or 2016?


NEITHER HAVE any hing to do with today

[aaaaaa5a]

2. The electoral college has plenty to do with today.

It's the only thing keeping Donald Trump in the game. The electoral college is not the will of the people.

[Chainfire]

3. My opinion is that the EC is simply obsolete

It made sense when the individual states were more independent and Washington D.C. was a month or more away from Washington state. That all changed with the Civil War when states rights were neutered and the Federal government became all powerful. I also think that there is a big problem with Montana having the same Representation in the Senate as California for the same reasons. The effect is that a Montana voter has 40 times the power of a California voter.

[Fyrefox]

4. The EC is arcane and antiquated...

I've had to explain the electoral college system to friends abroad who scratch their heads over it. Direct election of a president by popular vote is the fairest and most reasonable system in this day and age, but the Repugs would never agree to abolish the EC as it's delivered the presidency to them twice in twenty years, and look at the results and negative impact upon the nation!

[Yeehah]

5. The electoral college must be eliminated

It would improve democracy in the USA. How many more George W Bushes and Donald Trumps can this nation survive?

[Pacifist Patriot]

6. Amen!

[VA_Jill]

10. And Amen!

[gab13by13]

7. I must say, the electoral college needs abolished,

with that said, with a fair election using the electoral college, Biden wins easily. He still wins with all of the rat fucking.

[Kaleva]

8. Only a small minority really want to get rid of the EC

Lack of interest is shown by the fact that it's never a top issue for the voters in a general or even primary election. Our elected representatives are not getting swamped with calsl,faxes or emails demanding the EC be abolished. I'm unaware of any public protest against the EC. The most one sees is an occasional post in social media.

[JI7]

9. It may happen if Republicans lose Texas and the Republican Party is destroyed

[VA_Jill]

11. Really?

Do you REALLY believe that?

[Kaleva]

12. How often was getting rid of the EC brought up in the numerous primary debates?

Do you know where Biden stands on the issue? Does he talk about it often in his ads?

Where were all the locations of the protests against the EC held and were they well attended?

[VA_Jill]

14. There were

a whole lot more important things going on during the primary, including Covid and getting RID of tRump, So there's that. Maybe when some of that shit settles down we can deal with the EC. Just because it wasn't mentioned doesn't mean it isn't important to people.

[Kaleva]

17. Unless people & our party leaders start talking about it, there's no proof it's an important issue

[Yeehah]

15. Did you take a survey?

Or are you just making stuff up?

[Kaleva]

18. Where and when was the last protest against the EC you attended?

[Yeehah]

19. You claimed a minority support elimination of the EC

You have yet to support that claim with any valid evidence.

In other words, you're making shit up.

[Kaleva]

20. Your lack of action suggests you don't care if we have the EC or not.

It is verifiable that getting rid of the EC was not a issue during the primary. Voters at tow nhalls did not ask about it. It is also verifiable that there is no support from Dems in Congress to pass a bill eliminating it. During the general election campaign, I'm unaware of anyone, voter or reporter, asking Biden where he stands on the issue.

[Yeehah]

21. Still waiting for evidence of your claim that a minority is in favor of eliminating the EC

You have simply made more assertions without evidence, including a ridiculous one that no Democrats would support a bill to eliminate the EC. Of course, a constitutional amendment would be needed to eliminate the EC, which is a very difficult process. That does not mean the idea has no support or minority support. Your claim remains spurious.

A Feb. 2020 poll showed that 75% of US citizens support the Equal Rights Amendment. However, it was not a campaign issue in 2019. So, your logic about campaign issues versus popular support fails.

[Kaleva]

22. The lack of evidence showing that people are very active in working to eliminate it is the proof

It's human nature to take vigorous action in dealing with an issue or situation that one deems important.

It's also human nature to do little or nothing in dealing with a situation or issue one doesn't think is important.

That's how you tell if something is important or not. By how people deal with it.

Here's a link to the Democratic Party platform. You'll see no mention of eliminating or modifying the EC.

https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/

[Yeehah]

23. LOL

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/517926-gallup-61-percent-support-abolishing-the-electoral-college

[Kaleva]

24. Where in that poll does it say it's an important issue? No where that I see.

Here's what I wrote back in post #8:

"Only a small minority really want to get rid of the EC

Lack of interest is shown by the fact that it's never a top issue for the voters in a general or even primary election. Our elected representatives are not getting swamped with calsl,faxes or emails demanding the EC be abolished. I'm unaware of any public protest against the EC. The most one sees is an occasional post in social media."

https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14422392

You yourself don't really give a shit about the EC and that's ok. You may want it gone but don't think it's worth any of your time and effort in trying to eliminate it.

[Yeehah]

25. You claimed a minority support eliminating the electoral college.

Show some moral courage and admit you were wrong.

And please stop telling me what I care about. That's a really stupid thing to do and decreases your credibility even lower than it already was.

[BSdetect]

13. No other actual democracy has such a stoopid system

[Polybius]

16. It's really since 1988 the GOP Presidential candidate has won the popular vote only once

1992 Bush got whopped.

[JI7]

26. I think they mean 2004 but even then democrats could easily have won

the popular vote if the system was based on winning the popular vote.