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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere are vast swaths of the country just unreachable to Democrats
they are beyond being reasoned with, unable to listen to policy, they are brainwashed herd animals, I hate to say. All those fucking rural areas have been completely taken over by the right, I don't see anyway out. Maddening, frustrating, depressing as hell.
Sure, Repubs suppress the vote and rig the system, but THEY HAVE THEIR RURAL BASE that we cannot touch.
Blue_playwright
(1,568 posts)... because the Pukes screw the rural and farming communities over and over.
LymphocyteLover
(5,639 posts)PatSeg
(47,351 posts)In a different era, these people would have been proud FDR Democrats. Over the years, republicans have thoroughly brainwashed them to the point where they will vote against their own interests almost every time.
David__77
(23,364 posts)And 3141 county approach is needed.
The people on the losing end of historic changes to the economy should not be left for dead. They need practical solutions.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)They want blacks to be hurt and flags to be waved. Thats literally all they give a shit about.
Celerity
(43,240 posts)Mariana
(14,854 posts)I suspect that Trump got the majority of the Christians' votes again this time, just like he did in 2016. If the right wing brainwashing machine media all vanished tomorrow, many of the Christian churches in these areas would still be preaching loyalty to Trump.
BusyBeingBest
(8,052 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)LymphocyteLover
(5,639 posts)maybe they need to?
Cosmocat
(14,560 posts)Is SOCIALISM!
TexasBushwhacker
(20,159 posts)but keep those farm subsidies coming.
MADDENING!
LymphocyteLover
(5,639 posts)I'm so sick of it
DumpTrump20202020
(109 posts)California will never go red, so maybe some Californians should move to the purple states? And a few from NY, MA
Hestia
(3,818 posts)anyway. There is still ties from the Great Depression in the red states when the economy and Dust Bowl pushed people off of their land migrated to West Coast. We need new blood to wash out the old.
Just keep your HOA's to yourself.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,159 posts)Californians in the tech industry have moved to Texas by the thousands, generally settling in the Austin area.
Texas's Latinx population, currently 32%, will eventually eclipse the non-Hispanic white population, currently 41%.
Of course, older, more conservative people will die and be replaced by younger, more liberal people, but the young people in conservative areas are often conservative.
dubyadiprecession
(5,702 posts)...3 million more people at this point, want Biden!
spicysista
(1,663 posts)The electoral college must end or be reformed. Are we the United States or what? What does my citizenship have to do with which state I reside?
Why aren't more people pushing for these changes to our system?
Well, I know why one party and all of its voters (a little under half of all voters) aren't pushing to change it. This will be the 7th out of the last 8 elections that Dems have won the popular vote. Except for w in 2004 (supposedly), Dems would've won every election (but one) over the past 28 years.
You're never going to convince repubs to change it. They can't win if it's changed. They certainly aren't going to win on their ideas.
spicysista
(1,663 posts)We still should raise the issue. Like gay marriage being about equality, this too is a matter of equality. One person's vote should not outweigh another simply because of one's geographic location.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,159 posts)in big blue states like California and New York that they aren't getting credit for because of the EC. As we see in the popular vote, things are really a lot closer than folks think.
spicysista
(1,663 posts)dubyadiprecession
(5,702 posts)spicysista
(1,663 posts)I think we should reform how the EC votes are allocated. For example, states could award them proportionally based on each state's popular vote. If Joe wins 45% in TX, he would receive that portion of EC votes for the state.
There are all sorts of decorative ideas out there. Some have a bit of steam behind them, too.
Some interesting articles on the matter:
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/how-reform-electoral-college
http://archive.fairvote.org/e_college/reform.htm
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/01/12/electoral-college-reform-conservatives-223965
Freethinker65
(10,008 posts)Blues Heron
(5,931 posts)Almost anybody is reachable.
pfitz59
(10,344 posts)jerk on their heart-strings. End govt subsidies that make rural areas livable. Or remind them of the past. FDR gave them Rural Electrification and The US Soil Service.
LymphocyteLover
(5,639 posts)take away time courting other voters.
LiberalFighter
(50,825 posts)Celerity
(43,240 posts)Bigredhunk
(1,349 posts)I've lived in Iowa almost all my life (save for 5 years or so). I'm middle-aged now. If you drive between cities here (say Dubuque to Iowa City), ALL of the houses in the country are republicans. You're lucky if 1 in 50 isn't. It's just always been the way it is. Rural/farmers are all republicans. The cities are predominantly Democrats. EVERY DAMN political sign in the country is republican.
Remember the interviews with farmers who were really hurting b/c of drumpf's policies? They would all be like, "I might go out of business or even lose my farm. But I still support the president and what he's trying to do." They can't be reasoned with I tell ya'.
LymphocyteLover
(5,639 posts)Bigredhunk
(1,349 posts)I agree with you. I should've replied to one of the other posts ("nobody can be written off" instead of just responding to the thread.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Trump motivated them in a bigger way than most Republicans have. We haven't had a Democrat candidate who really motivated Democrats since Obama. We need motivational candidates.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)chimed in , in the comments. An Oregon teacher said that how they teach social studies in KY is subpar and completely different than blue states. There's also the white evangelical faction. In John Dean's book Authoritarian Nightmare, professor Altemeyer said that authoritarian followers, al ot of whom are evangelicals memorize their principles and beliefs from their "leaders" (pastors, parents, politicians) rather than adopting them through thought, education and experience.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)Turin_C3PO
(13,941 posts)what if we cant? What if bigotry is their sole motive? How do we adapt to that? Obviously Dems cant abandon minorities. So its a tough problem.
onetexan
(13,032 posts)Demovictory9
(32,443 posts)Dont forget that. Red states arent 100% red
TexasBushwhacker
(20,159 posts)Think of all the disenfranchised Republicans in California and New York. We should get rid of the EC and focus on GOTV in EVERY state.
Demovictory9
(32,443 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)We just need to take control of the washing machines: RW radio, Falsebook, and Twit.
We have some billionaire allies and many brilliant media and data people.
We can do this.
LymphocyteLover
(5,639 posts)crickets
(25,959 posts)and over again. This country is being held hostage by propaganda from without and within, and we will never have a healthy republic again until we deal with it.