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crimycarny

(1,351 posts)
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:19 AM Nov 2020

Ohio---did it happen again?

Interesting read on how GOP tried to cheat in Ohio in 2012 like they did in 2004. This article speculates a lawsuit filed which could have set up a precedent for a manual audit is what prevented Rove form activating the software that would flip votes. But I remember Anonymous claiming they were onto Rove’s “man in the middle” planned attack and claimed they shut it down.

How is Rove not in jail?

https://washingtonspectator.org/did-an-election-day-lawsuit-stop-karl-roves-vote-rigging-scheme-in-ohio/

“According to SourceWatch, Spoonamore, a Republican, is a “recognized expert in the field of data security and digital network architecture” who has worked as a consultant for MasterCard, American Express, Chubb Insurance, Bloomberg, and others.

Spoonamore attested that he found evidence that Rove, in collaboration with IT company owner Mike Connell, had used computer fraud to steal the 2004 election for George W. Bush.

The tabulation system Connell designed allowed for the introduction of a third computer “between computer A and computer B,” Spoonamore had written.

“This centralized collection of all incoming tabulations would make it easy for a single operator, or preprogrammed ‘force balancing computer’ to change the results in any way desired by the team controlling Computer C.” “

Ohio was never considered a Joe win, but I wonder if this “man in the middle” still exists in Ohio’s electronic voting infrastructure. Don’t see why not since no one seems to care enough to give any oversight.

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Ohio---did it happen again? (Original Post) crimycarny Nov 2020 OP
Ohio doesn't smell right exact vote difference as 16 Tribetime Nov 2020 #1
How in the h*ll are these issues not even investigated? crimycarny Nov 2020 #3
I know the State polling was 8% off in Ohio Tribetime Nov 2020 #6
My purple county voted for Biden THIS time... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #2
You think evangelicals don't cheat? BComplex Nov 2020 #8
They do, but they're also very unified and motivated. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #10
It's possible but kurtcagle Nov 2020 #4
Yes, I wasn't counting on Ohio crimycarny Nov 2020 #5
Republicans brought Rove back in for this election. BComplex Nov 2020 #7
One very odd thing in my Ohio county ok_cpu Nov 2020 #9

crimycarny

(1,351 posts)
3. How in the h*ll are these issues not even investigated?
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:25 AM
Nov 2020

You’ve got a whistleblower basically saying the election was fraudulent yet nothing comes of it. How do we know something similar isn’t happening in other GOP strongholds where they control the election process?

Tribetime

(4,684 posts)
6. I know the State polling was 8% off in Ohio
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:41 AM
Nov 2020

Seems like it was around 8% off in Wisconsin and Michigan and Pennsylvania also I call b*******

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
2. My purple county voted for Biden THIS time...
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:25 AM
Nov 2020

... like I figured from various clues around here, but rural counties keep getting worse. Ugh.

I don't buy the cheating ideas for this state. We have too many evangelicals in the rural areas like the rest of this country.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
10. They do, but they're also very unified and motivated.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:48 AM
Nov 2020

They were about 42% of all white voters per CNN exit polls, a significantly higher percentage than their demographics, and they overwhelmingly supported the orange anti-Christ again.

kurtcagle

(1,602 posts)
4. It's possible but
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:27 AM
Nov 2020

Ohio has always been a long shot, and it has become redder over time, not bluer.

My feeling though is that we'll find there is systematic bias that can't be easily explained away in other places. The Republicans were very afraid of paper ballots, partially because they have an audit trail attached to them. I'd personally like to do away with anything but optical scan, verifiable receipt machines. I'm convinced they've been depressing Democratic turnout for a couple of decades now.

crimycarny

(1,351 posts)
5. Yes, I wasn't counting on Ohio
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:32 AM
Nov 2020

But I hate that my discounting of Ohio has to do with my resignation that votes are rigged and no one will bother looking into it. It’s just a given that the GOP has a lock on Ohio because they control the voting tabulation..and that’s depressing as hell. If nothing is done then from here on out we assume Ohio will be red despite the actual vote. Will FL follow the same?

BComplex

(8,029 posts)
7. Republicans brought Rove back in for this election.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:41 AM
Nov 2020

I think that's why moscow Mitch was laughing about democrats taking the senate.

ok_cpu

(2,049 posts)
9. One very odd thing in my Ohio county
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:46 AM
Nov 2020

It was a rough night for county-wide Dems against tRump voters. Lots of long-time incumbents lost to GOP candidates.

But, all of the levies passed, except like one school district. Not calling shenanigans, but typically GOP turnout equals a bad night for tax issues.

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