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Even if we win by 1 electoral vote (Original Post) Jamesyu Nov 2020 OP
Yep! MaryMagdaline Nov 2020 #1
And everything that goes out the door with him. TwilightZone Nov 2020 #2
That thought makes me smile 😊 hauckeye Nov 2020 #3
Go, Nebraska! PirateRo Nov 2020 #4
AP has called NE-2 for Biden. NT Happy Hoosier Nov 2020 #17
I WANT HIS ASS OUT spanone Nov 2020 #5
AND that win will match the total vote without regard to the stinkin' EC. mnhtnbb Nov 2020 #6
And bill Barr MissB Nov 2020 #7
Exactly right. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #8
IF Biden wins....and that's a big "if" right now... BComplex Nov 2020 #9
Trump's IF is enormous. Biden's isn't. secondwind Nov 2020 #10
Whether it's by a sweep or by 1 Electoral vote, it's a win. I had heard the Cook report guy on onetexan Nov 2020 #11
For me it's The Senate that has me hopping mad. Tommymac Nov 2020 #12
So we have learned something. CTyankee Nov 2020 #13
Pass Real Election reform on the Federal level as soon as we can. Tommymac Nov 2020 #16
Is there ANY Constitutional barriers that we would have to surmount in your scheme? CTyankee Nov 2020 #19
Sorry, I leave the lawyering to the lawyers. I am an experienced IT engineer and... Tommymac Nov 2020 #20
All I am saying (and not knocking you!) is that our constitutional lawyers have to look at it to CTyankee Nov 2020 #21
It needs to be a joint Scientific effort. All sides and disciplines need to participate fully. Tommymac Nov 2020 #23
Isn't a lot of this second guessing? as in: if we do this, then they do ______. CTyankee Nov 2020 #24
Dude, Life consists of second guessing. Tommymac Nov 2020 #25
I'd love to, but I have a dentist appointment that I had forgotten to write in my calendar CTyankee Nov 2020 #27
Texas had 2 faithless electors in 2016 TexasBushwhacker Nov 2020 #14
SCOTUS ruled that faithless electors are unconstitutional nt meow2u3 Nov 2020 #15
K&R, could give a damn about the "margin" I pray Biden makes the best decisions uponit7771 Nov 2020 #18
I will not breathe easily until I hear it called for Biden. llmart Nov 2020 #22
This. Taking back the Presidency is HUGE!!!!! Tommymac Nov 2020 #26
EXACTLY. BigDemVoter Nov 2020 #28

TwilightZone

(25,430 posts)
2. And everything that goes out the door with him.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:40 AM
Nov 2020

Barr, Stephen Miller, Pence, Trump's bratty kids (and I don't mean Barron).

MissB

(15,804 posts)
7. And bill Barr
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:41 AM
Nov 2020

And plenty of other unworthy (of their current job) folks.

Stephen Miller
Ivanka
Jared

Etc

BComplex

(8,019 posts)
9. IF Biden wins....and that's a big "if" right now...
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:44 AM
Nov 2020

I want democrats to do complete and total audits of every state that has a paper ballot to count, and to test against the tabulator tallies.

onetexan

(13,024 posts)
11. Whether it's by a sweep or by 1 Electoral vote, it's a win. I had heard the Cook report guy on
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:47 AM
Nov 2020

msnbc saying he thinks Biden would win 270-300 but anything beyond that he doubted. Everyone must keep in mind Biden camp has always told us to work to GOTV like we're behind, and even Obama told us he thought it would be a close one. Both of them were right. So why people are shocked it wasn't a sweep is beyond me.

Anyhow, i am happy now knowing Biden will pull ahead & come out on top. What happens after that & w/ all the legal shenanigans the Con is pulling, we can only hope & pray the courts do the right thing.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
12. For me it's The Senate that has me hopping mad.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:52 AM
Nov 2020

We wasted $200,000,000 on SC and FL. 2 races Dems took the bait on. Not to mention all the money that went into Kentucky - a lost cause that Dems got sentimental about.

That money could have been put to much better use.

The Presidential campaign game plan was superb...some of the State parties got their asses handed to them.

CTyankee

(63,893 posts)
13. So we have learned something.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:57 AM
Nov 2020

This tells me we didn't see it coming. How do we change the way we do electoral voting so we can better get a grip on what's going on and how to combat it, going forward?

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
16. Pass Real Election reform on the Federal level as soon as we can.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 11:04 AM
Nov 2020

Even if it has to wait until 2022.

Assist the States to pay for Federal Elections and standardize them so the playing field is equal.

Get rid of the ancient Electronic voting machines and tabulators and fund real SECURE Electronic voting.

Banks have done it for ATM's since the 1970's, no reason that Election technology can't be upgrades to 21st Century Standards and made very very secure. Except the lack of will on the Federal level.

There's more but I'll stop there.

CTyankee

(63,893 posts)
19. Is there ANY Constitutional barriers that we would have to surmount in your scheme?
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 11:25 AM
Nov 2020

I don't see any, and I think you are on good grounds here. But I am wary of anything that could hinder us in the Supreme Court and invite a defeat before we even start. Now that the repukes have the Court's majority locked down, I would like to know in advance how our plans could invite a court challenge, specious tho we may think it is.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
20. Sorry, I leave the lawyering to the lawyers. I am an experienced IT engineer and...
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 11:32 AM
Nov 2020

I look at innovative, feasible, practical, and cost effective ways to identify and design fixes to problems.

Why won't we listen to the Information Technology Scientists and Engineers on Election Reform?

We are so adamant about backing the medical and climate sides of science...it really puzzles me.

CTyankee

(63,893 posts)
21. All I am saying (and not knocking you!) is that our constitutional lawyers have to look at it to
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 11:38 AM
Nov 2020

see what engineers might not see. That's what they do.

I am neither a lawyer nor an IT engineer. I am an art historian, which gets me, and my Master's degree, NOTHING when it comes to these matters. So I must ask others.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
23. It needs to be a joint Scientific effort. All sides and disciplines need to participate fully.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 11:59 AM
Nov 2020

Driven by Science, not politics.

I understand what you are saying. No worries. I'm fine.

This project will be as complex as building a bomb or sending men to outer space. Those included folks from a lot of disciplines...including artists and historians.

Point is the ideas need to be seriously discussed rather then just shrugging them off as tinhat or not practical.

I've run many projects, and the key to success is to keep an open mind, get best in field experts, and trust them in whatever their recommendations are, keep collective eyes on the ball and don't get distracted by diversions, and get innovative.

Great questions, btw. You caught me having a no sleep hangover and I get very chatty then.

CTyankee

(63,893 posts)
24. Isn't a lot of this second guessing? as in: if we do this, then they do ______.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 12:57 PM
Nov 2020

Paul Cezanne once said "We live in a rainbow of chaos."

So there, even if it is out of context.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
25. Dude, Life consists of second guessing.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 01:02 PM
Nov 2020

I've advocated for some of these issues since I joined DU in 2003.

We engineer types always look for solutions to problems.

And the quantum nature of reality means that we live in a beautiful chaotic but uncaring universe.

Time for a bowl. I'd share if I could.


CTyankee

(63,893 posts)
27. I'd love to, but I have a dentist appointment that I had forgotten to write in my calendar
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 01:07 PM
Nov 2020

I'm beginning to think that I am being punished.Poor widdle me, first the election, now THIS! Waaah...

llmart

(15,534 posts)
22. I will not breathe easily until I hear it called for Biden.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 11:38 AM
Nov 2020

That may be just me, but I have become very skeptical in my old age and after the elections of 2000 and 2016. If he wins we'll own two of the three branches of government and I'm happy with that.

My biggest mental strain every single day is having to hear about him 24/7 and all the shit he spews from that ugly mouth.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
26. This. Taking back the Presidency is HUGE!!!!!
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 01:05 PM
Nov 2020

The other stuff is gravy at this point.

Get The Oval Office and we can work on getting the Senate in 2 years...not that long.

And we'll have a sane Leader working in that office on a daily basis.

That spells relief!

BigDemVoter

(4,149 posts)
28. EXACTLY.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 01:13 PM
Nov 2020

AND we would also have the MAJORITY of the vote too. They didn't give two shits when they lost the popular vote and yet still rammed through their fascist platform.

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