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zackymilly

(2,375 posts)
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:15 PM Nov 2020

Michael Moore

2 months ago
Michael Moore sounds alarm on Biden's campaign in Michigan: 'It’s actually worse than Hillary's'

6 days ago
Michael Moore doesn't believe the polls showing Biden ahead of Trump

9 hours ago
Michael Moore predicts Biden victory in post-election night analysis

Oh, Michael!

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Michael Moore (Original Post) zackymilly Nov 2020 OP
But truth is, Moore was a lot closer than the pollsters and he was right in 2016. Hoyt Nov 2020 #1
True. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #21
But he was still wrong. Just like he was wrong in 2018 and 2012. StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #26
First Moore thread I can appreciate. LizBeth Nov 2020 #2
As long as he's getting paid ... relayerbob Nov 2020 #3
Moore said the same shit in 2012. tman Nov 2020 #4
six days ago, he was saying exactly what the Biden campaign was saying fishwax Nov 2020 #5
It is amazing how many people can't process truth... PTWB Nov 2020 #15
Moore's pics with Kushner and Assange say it all, IMO n/t melody Nov 2020 #6
Moore gets a lot of shit because we don't like what he's saying localroger Nov 2020 #7
I agree. Laffy Kat Nov 2020 #8
Indeed.nt CatLady78 Nov 2020 #9
He's not savvy. He was saying the same thing the Biden campaign, political pros, many pundits StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #27
That's correct sir. miyazaki Nov 2020 #10
Exactly. nt Raine Nov 2020 #11
I disagree Gothmog Nov 2020 #14
He knows his shit a lot more than most folks. PTWB Nov 2020 #16
I strongly disagree Gothmog Nov 2020 #18
He's almost always wrong. StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #28
Yes Moore is almost always wrong Gothmog Nov 2020 #38
"person" in quotes? Really? nt localroger Nov 2020 #32
I have very strong feelings about this "person" Gothmog Nov 2020 #37
I don't give a shit how strong your feelings are localroger Nov 2020 #40
Moore is not a credible "person" and I really do not care if you find this "person" credible Gothmog Nov 2020 #41
Michael Moore predicts Red Sox will break curse of the bambino in 2004 world series! Takket Nov 2020 #12
Why would anyone pay attention to this person? Gothmog Nov 2020 #13
MM needs to check into an assisted living facility AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #17
I loved his movies years ago, but he's just become irrelevant these days. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2020 #19
His last movie really bombed at the box office Gothmog Nov 2020 #39
The guy who said: "We have to take over the Democratic Party!" betsuni Nov 2020 #20
It's people like Michael Moore anamnua Nov 2020 #22
That really bothers the trump supporters. nt RandiFan1290 Nov 2020 #23
I didn't need Michael Moore to warn me or anyone I know not to be complacent StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #29
Why didn't he do the same in the Primary ? JI7 Nov 2020 #31
Moore keeps picking one of two possible outcome, and the occasional time his pick happens StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #24
He's the Sylvia Browne of fringe punditry. NurseJackie Nov 2020 #42
Michael Moore is an asset not a liability n/t malaise Nov 2020 #25
Thank you. marmar Nov 2020 #30
Yes, and we need every asset available to us mtnsnake Nov 2020 #33
THIS malaise Nov 2020 #34
His negativity is divisive and has LONG TERM negative effects. He does NOTHING to promote unity or... NurseJackie Nov 2020 #43
I don't listen to him. I switch stations when he is on or mute him. LiberalFighter Nov 2020 #35
I appreciate his warning in 2016, but overall, he's NOT helpful or productive. themaguffin Nov 2020 #36
 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
26. But he was still wrong. Just like he was wrong in 2018 and 2012.
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 09:06 AM
Nov 2020

He's usually wrong. He's not a soothsayer. There are only two outcomes. Every year, he picks the same one - the Democrats are going to lose. Sometimes he's right. Usually, he's wrong.

In other words, he's just about as reliable a prognosticator as a coin toss. I don't know why anyone pays attention to him.

tman

(983 posts)
4. Moore said the same shit in 2012.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:20 PM
Nov 2020

Biden & Obama rally a few days before election shows Biden's team didn't take it for granted.

fishwax

(29,148 posts)
5. six days ago, he was saying exactly what the Biden campaign was saying
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:25 PM
Nov 2020

that it was closer than the polls were showing and closer than the media discussion would have you believe. That's what Michael Moore said on Brian Williams and that's what the texts and social media posts from Biden and Harris kept telling me.

People here were quick to pooh-pooh the idea, but it was clearly true.

Moore's message and the Biden/Harris message shared another point of overlap: get to the polls and get your friends to the polls and we'll be able to pull this out.

And that was true too.

localroger

(3,622 posts)
7. Moore gets a lot of shit because we don't like what he's saying
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:27 PM
Nov 2020

...but he's usually either right or trying to get us to do something we badly need to do.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
27. He's not savvy. He was saying the same thing the Biden campaign, political pros, many pundits
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 09:08 AM
Nov 2020

and a whole lot of people on the ground were saying.

I don't know why people think Moore is an oracle.

miyazaki

(2,239 posts)
10. That's correct sir.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 11:11 PM
Nov 2020

There's a virtual stoning of him and Bill Mahr here about once a week.
Nothing new.

Gothmog

(144,920 posts)
14. I disagree
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 01:08 AM
Nov 2020

Moore is not credible. This “person” supported Nader. His last couple of movies have been complete flops

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
16. He knows his shit a lot more than most folks.
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 01:11 AM
Nov 2020

I don’t always agree with his choices but he’s got his finger on the pulse of what’s really happening with voters and turnout and what messages are resonating (and which ones aren’t).

Gothmog

(144,920 posts)
18. I strongly disagree
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 08:27 AM
Nov 2020

I find this person to be very weak and wrong on almost every thing. This “person” supported Nader. That disqualifies this “person” as a source. Again I cannot stand this person and change the channel when this “person” is on.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
28. He's almost always wrong.
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 09:09 AM
Nov 2020

But the fact that he was right once makes people treat him like he had some special insights.

Gothmog

(144,920 posts)
37. I have very strong feelings about this "person"
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 11:47 AM
Nov 2020

Again, I do not understand why anyone thinks that this "person" is credible. I have not found this "person" to be right about anything including his clami that it was a good move to support Nader.

localroger

(3,622 posts)
40. I don't give a shit how strong your feelings are
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 11:58 AM
Nov 2020

Referring to another human being as if they are not human, or as an animal or inanimate object, is the rhetoric of violence and totalitarianism. It is what our enemies do. Cut it the fuck out.

As for Moore being wrong about everything, the fact that he is about the only person who predicted that Trump might actually win in 2016 kind of knocks that over, even if it's the only thing he was ever right about in his entire life. That kind of shreds someone's credibility here, but it's not Moore's.

Gothmog

(144,920 posts)
41. Moore is not a credible "person" and I really do not care if you find this "person" credible
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 12:17 PM
Nov 2020

I turn off MSNBC when this person is on and will continue to do so.

Takket

(21,528 posts)
12. Michael Moore predicts Red Sox will break curse of the bambino in 2004 world series!
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 11:44 PM
Nov 2020

you heard it here last!!!!!!!!!!!

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,153 posts)
19. I loved his movies years ago, but he's just become irrelevant these days.
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 08:29 AM
Nov 2020

Oh well.

We’ll always have Canadian Bacon, I suppose.

betsuni

(25,380 posts)
20. The guy who said: "We have to take over the Democratic Party!"
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 08:43 AM
Nov 2020

"I've come to the conclusion that the old guard of the Democratic Party is a greater roadblock to social progress than Trump is."

Oh, Michael. That's show business!

anamnua

(1,103 posts)
22. It's people like Michael Moore
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 08:46 AM
Nov 2020

who warned against complacency and flattering polls in the final weeks who saved our bacon here.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
29. I didn't need Michael Moore to warn me or anyone I know not to be complacent
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 09:12 AM
Nov 2020

I don't know anyone who was complacent. We were too busy working our asses off and trying to tune out the noise being ginned up by self-appointed "experts" like Moore giving us unneeded advice and instructions from the sidelines.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
24. Moore keeps picking one of two possible outcome, and the occasional time his pick happens
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 08:59 AM
Nov 2020

he's treated as some kind of a soothsayer - never mind that he's wrong more often than he's right.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
33. Yes, and we need every asset available to us
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 09:57 AM
Nov 2020

MM is way more of a positive for Democrats than a negative. There is no doubt about that. I think some people get upset with him the second one of his opinions doesn't live up to their own ideals, even if they agree with him about everything else.

malaise

(268,698 posts)
34. THIS
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 10:04 AM
Nov 2020

although I think it's simply when he disagrees with them on anything.

I think some people get upset with him the second one of his opinions doesn't live up to their own ideals

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
43. His negativity is divisive and has LONG TERM negative effects. He does NOTHING to promote unity or...
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 09:31 AM
Nov 2020

His negativity is divisive and has LONG TERM negative effects. He does NOTHING to promote unity or cohesiveness. He does nothing to promote trust and cooperation. He does, however, PROMOTE HIMSELF.

I think some people get upset with him the second one of his opinions doesn't live up to their own ideals,
No, it's that he's a liar and a grifter. He's a Ralph Nader supporter who never misses an opportunity to shit on the party, or to ridicule stalwart Democrats like Obama, Pelosi... and now Biden.

He has NOTHING positive to offer, only ridicule and that typical "I know better than you" attitude and talking-down to our respected and experienced party leaders. He's as bad as some politicians. Truly divisive with no redeeming value.

What useful purpose does it serve? It's just another example of how people are oddly willing to do and say things that create an atmosphere of fear and hopelessness and negativity. Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

MM is way more of a positive for Democrats than a negative.
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