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moose65

(3,166 posts)
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 10:53 PM Nov 2020

What happened in New Hampshire?

Disclosure: I’ve been to NH on vacation in the fall numerous times, but I really don’t know much about politics there, except they have one of the early primaries and they kinda pride themselves on being politically active.

It seems so crazy to me that Biden won NH by almost 60,000 votes, and Jean Shaheen won her reelection by 125,000. They also re-elected their 2 Dem house representatives. So far, so good. How then did NH vote to flip both their massive state House and their small state Senate from Dem to Republican control in a census year with state-level redistricting at stake?

Seriously, I am trying to understand that. On the surface it makes no sense.

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What happened in New Hampshire? (Original Post) moose65 Nov 2020 OP
They love their Sheehan in NH SomedayKindaLove Nov 2020 #1
Libertarian state sweetloukillbot Nov 2020 #2
Not really moose65 Nov 2020 #5
Nah, that was a failed experiment in the 80's Dem2 Nov 2020 #6
I am wary of the vermin Sununu or maybe Ayotte against Hassan in 2022 (mid-terms for 1st term POTUS) Celerity Nov 2020 #9
I am too. Dem2 Nov 2020 #11
A blue state with a red state legislature? former9thward Nov 2020 #13
Makes no sense moose65 Nov 2020 #16
It was blue until 2 days ago Dem2 Nov 2020 #17
New England is the only US region that is remotely like anything in the EU. The far NW Celerity Nov 2020 #18
Well, in theory anyway. Reality, not so much. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2020 #7
NH ihas been trending blue for awhile. Lots of people live in NH and work in MA and ME. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2020 #3
I live in New Hampshire PatSeg Nov 2020 #4
Same old thing, huh? moose65 Nov 2020 #8
It is a huge deal here PatSeg Nov 2020 #10
It's a guaranteed loss Dem2 Nov 2020 #12
For the most part PatSeg Nov 2020 #15
Property taxes there are obscene. Marius25 Nov 2020 #14

moose65

(3,166 posts)
5. Not really
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 11:00 PM
Nov 2020

They seem to love sending Democrats to DC, but they have a secret affair with Republicans at home!

Celerity

(43,252 posts)
9. I am wary of the vermin Sununu or maybe Ayotte against Hassan in 2022 (mid-terms for 1st term POTUS)
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 11:08 PM
Nov 2020

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
11. I am too.
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 11:16 PM
Nov 2020

The tradition of a governor term-limiting out and running for Senate is a tradition here.

moose65

(3,166 posts)
16. Makes no sense
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 11:29 PM
Nov 2020

Their state House has like 400 members for a state population of 1.4 million, so it’s subject to wild swings. The senate is tiny by comparison: 24 members.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
17. It was blue until 2 days ago
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 11:30 PM
Nov 2020

It was Republican for like 100 years, so there's still lots of old-school Republicans here. Several blue states have Republican legislatures.

I don't understand local politics that well, and I wasn't raised here.

Celerity

(43,252 posts)
18. New England is the only US region that is remotely like anything in the EU. The far NW
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 11:43 PM
Nov 2020

(only the parts centred on the Pacific coast) of the US would be 2nd. Parts of Southern and Northern California 3rd. SOME parts of NYC 4th. Nothing else is very comparable.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,393 posts)
3. NH ihas been trending blue for awhile. Lots of people live in NH and work in MA and ME.
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 10:58 PM
Nov 2020

The days of rock ribbed Yankee Republicans are a thing of the past.

PatSeg

(47,352 posts)
4. I live in New Hampshire
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 10:59 PM
Nov 2020

and honestly, I don't understand it either. Chris Sununu was reelected as governor as well and he openly bragged about being a Trump guy.

I've only been in New Hampshire for ten years, so I still don't get their politics. Our former governor Maggie Hassan is now our junior senator, so both our senators are Democratic women. I don't understand how Sununu got such a huge win. The best I can guess is the political ads against the Dems had to do with tax threats (sales tax or income tax).

moose65

(3,166 posts)
8. Same old thing, huh?
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 11:02 PM
Nov 2020

Doesn’t matter which state. Republicans always try to scare people with the old “Dems will raise your taxes.”

I know NH has no general sales or income taxes. Property tax there must be massive.

PatSeg

(47,352 posts)
10. It is a huge deal here
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 11:15 PM
Nov 2020

Republicans keep trying to spook people about Democrats trying to make New Hampshire more like Massachusetts, with all their high taxes and eek, socialism. Of the ads I've seen on Facebook, they used these arguments against some Democratic candidates. The problem is that if you're not paying sales tax or income tax, you're being taxed somewhere else in the form of fees and property tax, but so many can't see that.

They would rather "Live free or die, than pay a damn sales tax"!

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
12. It's a guaranteed loss
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 11:18 PM
Nov 2020

Not sure why any Democrat would venture into such a place if they want to win.

PatSeg

(47,352 posts)
15. For the most part
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 11:28 PM
Nov 2020

they seem to like their Democratic governors. Shaheen was elected governor three times and senator twice. Maggie Hassan was elected governor twice and went on to become a senator. John Lynch was governor for four terms.

Democrats can do very well here, but there is an odd mix of republicans, Libertarians, and Democrats.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
14. Property taxes there are obscene.
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 11:26 PM
Nov 2020

My parents are considering retiring there, and in a lot of districts, a $500,000 house is like $13,000 in property taxes.

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