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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:18 AM

Wanderlust988 (475 posts)

It's now clear how we win elections...a moderate face with left policies

And that's how Biden has been able to pull thing off. I don't foresee in the future that our party will nominate anyone that calls themselves a Democratic socialist. They may be able to drum up big support in NYC, LA, Seattle, etc, but that's not going to win 270 EV's.

It's pretty obvious that we have to have a candidate that appeals to the Rust Belt states and that also includes drumming up African American voters in their urban cores. Also we need to do better with Latinos and concentrate more on the Latinos in the southwest. Fuck Florida. That's our path from here on out. But any candidate from here on out, HAS to win surburbia too and revolutionary/socialist language won't cut it. Biden wouldn't have won MI and PA without the suburbs breaking for him.

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Reply It's now clear how we win elections...a moderate face with left policies (Original post)
 Wanderlust988 Nov 2020 OP
LineReply I'm ok with moving rightward on property taxes
 Polybius Nov 2020 #1
LineLineReply Property taxes are a state and local issue, not federal (n/t)
 Spider Jerusalem Nov 2020 #9
LineLineLineNew Reply Yeah but put it in the platform
 Polybius Nov 2020 #15
LineLineNew Reply I voted yes
 reggaehead Nov 2020 #16
LineReply I think you are right.
 madaboutharry Nov 2020 #2
LineLineNew Reply Good point about Bill Clinton and Barack Obama
 Wanderlust988 Nov 2020 #10
LineLineNew Reply I was cringing when Warren and Castro came out for decriminalizing illegal border crossings
 Wanderlust988 Nov 2020 #13
LineReply Yup. Biden carried my County, but my Dem House Representative lost. nt
 SunSeeker Nov 2020 #3
LineReply Harcore progressiveness isn't gonna work here
 vercetti2021 Nov 2020 #4
LineReply We need a better
 BGBD Nov 2020 #5
LineReply Spot on. If we win the presidency and the Senate we can...
 brush Nov 2020 #6
LineReply Yeah, let's not doing anything about reforming the police either
 TheRealNorth Nov 2020 #7
LineLineNew Reply I think a majority are fine with reforming police tactics, not defunding them
 Wanderlust988 Nov 2020 #11
LineLineLineNew Reply Agreed. I'm sure it had something to do the the 17 or so House seats we lost.
 brush Nov 2020 #14
LineLineLineNew Reply I can agree with that
 TheRealNorth Nov 2020 #17
LineLineNew Reply Ahhh...why not wait and see what happens. Don't rain on the parade before it even gets started.
 brush Nov 2020 #12
LineLineNew Reply "Defund the police" might be a losing slogan
 Withywindle Nov 2020 #18
LineReply I knew it
 Sugarcoated Nov 2020 #8
LineNew Reply I kind of disagree. I think part of the reason why Obama won as big as he did
 Withywindle Nov 2020 #19

Response to Wanderlust988 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:23 AM

Star Member Polybius (12,329 posts)

1. I'm ok with moving rightward on property taxes

Pledge a ban on property taxes for those making under $200,000 a year. That will get us tons of conservative votes.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:35 AM

Spider Jerusalem (21,786 posts)

9. Property taxes are a state and local issue, not federal (n/t)

 

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:44 AM

Star Member Polybius (12,329 posts)

15. Yeah but put it in the platform

Make it a Democratic thing to oppose them. It will have us locally. No-Brainer.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:48 AM

reggaehead (269 posts)

16. I voted yes

On Prop 15. And would for the next million years. Here in California we have Koch Industries interests sitting on properties they pay virtually no taxes on. And they refuse to log unless they can clearcut. That has to stop.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:25 AM

Star Member madaboutharry (38,595 posts)

2. I think you are right.

If Sanders or Warren had been the nominee it would have been a wipeout. They have some good ideas, but they won’t convince the voters we need to win.

Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and Joe Biden all have two things in common; they all have the face of a moderate and they won.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:36 AM

Wanderlust988 (475 posts)

10. Good point about Bill Clinton and Barack Obama

I think people are fine with Democratic Party policies, but you need that candidate that makes the policies feel good to the soul. You can't go around telling people you're going to change everything about America...at least not out loud.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:42 AM

Wanderlust988 (475 posts)

13. I was cringing when Warren and Castro came out for decriminalizing illegal border crossings

Warren would've gotten us wiped out. And apparently, even Latinos don't favor such things.

Also, Abolish ICE was another terrible message.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:25 AM

Star Member SunSeeker (49,093 posts)

3. Yup. Biden carried my County, but my Dem House Representative lost. nt

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:29 AM

Star Member vercetti2021 (8,884 posts)

4. Harcore progressiveness isn't gonna work here

Honestly now the field is too tainted because of labeling. It can work in west or new England states. But not rural America.

I hate to say it. But in order to win rural states, you have to run moderate or even conservative Democrats.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:29 AM

BGBD (3,282 posts)

5. We need a better

 

message for rural voters.

Biden is going to become President because black voters in cities, suburban moderates, and by improving margins in rural counties across the country.

Those are the people we should focus our message to. Honestly, there isn't a lot of difference in the things that urban blacks and rural whites would benefit from, so we need to find a way to get that message across.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:30 AM

Star Member brush (46,884 posts)

6. Spot on. If we win the presidency and the Senate we can...

Last edited Fri Nov 6, 2020, 06:15 AM - Edit history (1)

install progressive policies. Of course we also have to keep the House. I've said the same on this board many times. Anyone openly embracing socialism and calling themselves democratic socialists have a depth of political knowledge of this country about as deep as a sidewalk puddle.

A political "mullet" is what's needed—moderate in the front and progressive in the back.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:31 AM

TheRealNorth (8,070 posts)

7. Yeah, let's not doing anything about reforming the police either

we wouldn't want to anger the "Protect the Badge" folks.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:38 AM

Wanderlust988 (475 posts)

11. I think a majority are fine with reforming police tactics, not defunding them

Which was the dumbest messaging I've ever heard. No telling how many votes were lost just cause of that one phrase.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:43 AM

Star Member brush (46,884 posts)

14. Agreed. I'm sure it had something to do the the 17 or so House seats we lost.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:48 AM

TheRealNorth (8,070 posts)

17. I can agree with that

Of the fence sitters that either voted for Trump or stayed home, it was the rioting and defend the police talk that scared them.

They didn't give a shit about raising taxes for those making over 400k.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:40 AM

Star Member brush (46,884 posts)

12. Ahhh...why not wait and see what happens. Don't rain on the parade before it even gets started.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:49 AM

Star Member Withywindle (9,911 posts)

18. "Defund the police" might be a losing slogan

But we absolutely HAVE to get all the white supremacists out of the police force. I don't care how loud the FOP screams, there are LOTS of cops who just have to go.

"A few bad apples" people say, thinking it means there are only a few bad cops. They don't understand what that full saying means. "A few bad apples spoils the barrel." That means, that rot spreads. If you have just a few bad apples in a barrel and you don't do anything about it, before you know it, the whole barrel is infected and has to be thrown out because it's all rotten, and it happens before you notice it.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:33 AM

Star Member Sugarcoated (7,483 posts)

8. I knew it

I said it over and over about Joe. Apparently, crooked Donnie thought so, too because he went to great illegal lengths to take him down.

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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:58 AM

Star Member Withywindle (9,911 posts)

19. I kind of disagree. I think part of the reason why Obama won as big as he did

Was because he put a left face on moderate policies. He campaigned on a platform of dramatic change (needed after the Bush years) and he brought out young voters in a way not seen for years. I know many people who were disappointed when he turned to be, like, to the right of Nixon on some issues like the environment, but they still voted for him a second time because the alternative was always worse.

Regionalism factors in too, Obama went big in the Rust Belt because he was from Chicago. (Hawaii of course originally, but his home base was Chicago)

I agree about fuck Florida though. If we can take most of the Southwest, and the states in the South that are purple (GA and NC) and hold the traditional West Coast, Northeast, and Great Lakes states, we don't need it.

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