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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:41 AM

How did Trump gain ground with minorities?

Joe Crapborough was just talking about the fact that Trump got like 20% of black men, some Muslim increases, obviously the Latino increase, etc.

How do all those groups support a proven white supremacist and in the case of Muslims, banned them from the country and wanted a Muslim registry?


While I'm thrilled Biden is winning, the fact that it was so close and Trump gained supporters just makes me so depressed about the future of this country.

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Reply How did Trump gain ground with minorities? (Original post)
Marius25 Nov 2020 OP
NutmegYankee Nov 2020 #1
SammyWinstonJack Nov 2020 #31
NutmegYankee Nov 2020 #48
JI7 Nov 2020 #2
LeftInTX Nov 2020 #9
Solomon Nov 2020 #3
former9thward Nov 2020 #45
Todd79 Nov 2020 #55
former9thward Nov 2020 #72
uponit7771 Nov 2020 #4
gab13by13 Nov 2020 #7
LeftInTX Nov 2020 #16
uponit7771 Nov 2020 #21
LeftInTX Nov 2020 #27
Orangepeel Nov 2020 #47
Boogiemack Nov 2020 #64
Captain Zero Nov 2020 #67
LeftInTX Nov 2020 #69
Bucky Nov 2020 #5
groundloop Nov 2020 #39
qanda Nov 2020 #6
Bucky Nov 2020 #10
AleksS Nov 2020 #17
LuvNewcastle Nov 2020 #8
qanda Nov 2020 #20
LuvNewcastle Nov 2020 #32
Marius25 Nov 2020 #54
yardwork Nov 2020 #25
LuvNewcastle Nov 2020 #35
Sanity Claws Nov 2020 #11
PubliusEnigma Nov 2020 #12
Celerity Nov 2020 #18
PubliusEnigma Nov 2020 #23
Celerity Nov 2020 #28
PubliusEnigma Nov 2020 #30
Celerity Nov 2020 #33
PubliusEnigma Nov 2020 #34
cwydro Nov 2020 #29
Tarc Nov 2020 #13
Spider Jerusalem Nov 2020 #14
yardwork Nov 2020 #26
moondust Nov 2020 #38
bullwinkle428 Nov 2020 #46
orwell Nov 2020 #15
bdamomma Nov 2020 #19
Kahuna Nov 2020 #22
AkFemDem Nov 2020 #24
genxlib Nov 2020 #36
leighbythesea2 Nov 2020 #52
genxlib Nov 2020 #59
peggysue2 Nov 2020 #37
helpisontheway Nov 2020 #41
RelativelyJones Nov 2020 #40
helpisontheway Nov 2020 #42
NutmegYankee Nov 2020 #49
Nexus2 Nov 2020 #43
AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #44
Amishman Nov 2020 #50
Chakaconcarne Nov 2020 #51
mathematic Nov 2020 #53
Todd79 Nov 2020 #56
StarryNite Nov 2020 #57
ecstatic Nov 2020 #58
pinkstarburst Nov 2020 #60
Marius25 Nov 2020 #62
pinkstarburst Nov 2020 #70
Pobeka Nov 2020 #61
qdouble Nov 2020 #63
Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #65
Captain Zero Nov 2020 #66
uponit7771 Nov 2020 #68
Baltimike Nov 2020 #71

Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:42 AM

1. Authoritarianism. It appeals to some people.

It can override anything else. There were even some Jews who supported the nazis in the early days.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:10 AM

31. Funny how they're more fearful of whatever they think socialism is then they of

Authoritarianism and fascism.

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #31)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:48 AM

48. The power of propaganda.

We need to rework our message to fight the appeal of authoritarianism. They seek greater government control (look at the efforts to control what media shows, or right to make your own medical decisions), but manage to make people think they are pro individual freedom and independence. They repeat that lie over and over again.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:43 AM

2. mostly becsuse Democrats didn't run a ground campaign while republicans did

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Response to JI7 (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:48 AM

9. This was probably a big factor

Especially with lower income populations.

It seems like the higher the income in general, the more compliant with social distancing etc. The nicer homes in my precinct were more likely to have a "do not knock" due to Covid 19 and they were generally white. Hispanic voters were less likely to be compliant with social distancing. (I live in a 50% Hispanic area)

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:43 AM

3. How do they know? I think it's bullshit. They trotted out a couple rappers to get you to believe

it.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #45)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 10:40 AM

55. Exit polls were skewed extremely to the right since majority of Biden supporters voted by mail

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Response to Todd79 (Reply #55)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 07:47 PM

72. You may not have followed the news.

They did polling on people who early voted (mail and voting sites) as well as election day.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:44 AM

4. I would like to see the 5 - 10 polls out there saying they did. Not the 1 or 2 repeated by MJ

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:47 AM

7. I agree,

It looks like there could have been some ratfuckery going on in Miami Dade with the Cuban vote. Trump got almost all of the newly registered voters, like 200,000 which seems really odd to me. Someone needs to take a look at Miami Dade.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:50 AM

16. The Rio Grande Valley (95% Mexican-American) lost 300,000 votes to Trump this cycle.

Those votes went to Clinton in 2016

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:56 AM

21. WOW !!! WTF !? We need a deep dive analysis on this. I do believe Trump cheated & polls minimize

... voter suppression so there needs to be a REALLY deep dive into this crap.

That's just ... fuckin wow !!!

After El Paso !?!?

WTF !?

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:03 AM

27. El Paso lost voters to Trump also

This was a real thing...

Someone from El Paso was on John Cornyn's FB saying she voted for him because Cornyn had done best for border issues and that much of the recent Covid surge was coming from Mexico. (She has a point because there is alot of traffic between the two countries daily)

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #27)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:45 AM

47. maybe one ballot drop box in the county had something to do with it

El Paso: Biden = 66.3, Trump= 31.9, with 92% of vote counted
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/results-texas.html?action=click&module=ELEX_results&pgtype=Interactiveģion=HomepageLink

Biden could get close to Hillary's 69% once all the votes are counted

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 11:28 AM

64. They were brainwashed into hating the same people the MAGAs hate. Mexicans here for

 

generations do not want other Mexicans coming here nor do they want central Americans coming here. They believe Trump would (has) kept them out. Same things for Central Americans who have been here for decades, they don't want more Mexicans here or more of their own former countrymen. Same thing for Muslims...hell even some Africans feel that way about other Africans.

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Response to Boogiemack (Reply #64)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 11:39 AM

67. Yep. There was the self-loathing Hispanic guy who ran the Biden Bus off the road

nt

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Response to Captain Zero (Reply #67)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 11:42 AM

69. Lots of those types

I don't know if self-loathing is the word. When white people do this stuff, we don't call them self-loathing.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:46 AM

5. Because people are more than the categories we artificially put them in

Some voters are turned on by alpha male posturing. It's human nature.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:31 AM

39. EXACTLY..... I have a cousin who is a gay union member yet supports tRump

I've never heard her say exactly why she supported tRump, but I'm pretty sure it had something to do with his supposed macho brashness.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:46 AM

6. You say something enough times then people start believing it

Black men will be turning more and more to the Republican party so just be prepared. It's inevitable. The Democrats have taken the Black vote for granted for way too long and if Donald Trump showed us anything, it's that speaking to the issues that affect Black people is not a losing strategy. Credentials: Black woman who has been watching the slow roll of this change.

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Response to qanda (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:48 AM

10. Thank you

Perfectly said. Toxic thinking isn't hemmed in by race. We have to start putting human justice and economic opportunity at the center of our policies.

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Response to qanda (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:51 AM

17. This.

Every time trump claimed he was the ďbest for blacks since Abraham LincolnĒ some people believed him. He knew he didnít have to tell the truth to be believed, he just had to say the same ridiculous thing loud and often enough, and itíll work. Heís trying to peel off the fringes, and it worked.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:47 AM

8. Some people are attracted by homophobia.

That's where a lot of this minority Trump support comes from, I believe.

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:55 AM

20. Not fair. You can pin this on Black men being homophobic if you want

It absolves the Democrats of any responsibility for their lack of a message to reach Black men. But, let's be clear, WHITE PEOPLE are the ones who have us counting votes on the Friday after the election. White folks are the ones who need to be examined. Black people don't automatically owe Democrats their votes. 😡

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Response to qanda (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:11 AM

32. I wasn't talking about black men specifically.

I'm talking about minorities with restrictive religions, like some Muslims and some evangelical Christians. And nobody said black men owe Democrats anything. But I've talked to a lot of co-workers about politics, people of all races, and I've noticed that a lot of minorities, male and female and a variety of minorities, who don't have trouble with Democratic economic policies, have problems with Democratic support of GLBT issues. Some are very frank about their hatred for gay people. The homophobia amidst minorities exists just as much as among whites, and is often more virulent. It's sort of like, in my mind, how the other people in the concentration camps used to hate the homosexuals who were imprisoned there.

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Response to qanda (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 10:38 AM

54. You are correct.

It's just hard to understand how so many minorities could support an authoritarian, white supremacist like Trump. This race for me was more about integrity, decency, and corruption than it was about specific policy issues.

I could not vote for a man like Trump, even if his policies aligned with mine, because he's just such an astronomically disgusting human being.

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:02 AM

25. I'm gay and I saw/heard very little homophobia in this election.

It's definitely been used as a wedge issue in the past (notably 2000 and 2004), but not this time.

Trump used social media to spread lies about Biden and the Democratic Party, and it looks like these social media campaigns were cleverly targeted to various demographic groups. We knew they were doing this. The Democratic Party keeps underestimating the impact of social media in spreading lies and disinformation.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #25)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:18 AM

35. I'm not necessarily talking about the election e.

I'm talking about general support of the Democratic Party at all times. I'd say most minorities who supported Trump didn't just start supporting Republicans all of a sudden. Their grievances with the Democratic Party are long-standing and homophobia is a big reason why many of them don't support Democrats.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:48 AM

11. I have my doubts about the truth of this

I wouldn't be surprised if there was vote flipping on the machines. Rove is supposed to have said they can flip 3% of votes and make it look like the votes within the margin of error. Remember the 2004 election?
Ever since the early 2000s, the polls don't match up with results.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:49 AM

12. Kanye Kardashian, Ice Cube, Fifty Cent, Lil Pimp + post-racial Magical Thinking + a boatload of lies

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Response to PubliusEnigma (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:54 AM

18. Ice Cube never endorsed Trump, he only said that some in the White House looked at his plan

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Response to Celerity (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:59 AM

23. Ice Cube appeared with Trump and supported his election. He can't go back now.

Sorry, Cube. You come talking that trash, we'll pull your card.

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Response to PubliusEnigma (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:06 AM

28. Ice Cube clarifies political stance: "I'm not supporting Donald Trump"

https://www.nme.com/en_asia/news/music/ice-cube-clarifies-political-stance-im-not-supporting-donald-trump-2795511



If you have a link that shows what you claim post it. Otherwise I will assume that you admit you are wrong.

If you post proof, I shall do the same.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #28)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:10 AM

30. Ice Cube was used like a tool by Trump.

You can't appear on camera with a candidate during an election, and then claim ignorance and say you didn't really support the candidate.

Cube realizes the magnitude of his fuck up now. He is attempting damage control by claiming "I was with Trump, but I never supported him."

Bullshit!!

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Response to PubliusEnigma (Reply #30)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:12 AM

33. so you have no proof to refute my actual links from the man's own mouth, gotcha

plus you are goalpost moving

done here

I don not deal with bad faith colloquies

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Response to Celerity (Reply #33)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:16 AM

34. Cube fucked up. At least you could admit it. Cube got nothing. Trump got a photo op.

It's really hard to defend the indefensible. I can understand why you would rather not even try.

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Response to PubliusEnigma (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:06 AM

29. Lil Wayne too.

Idiot.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:49 AM

13. The perception (not reality) of Trump's machismo and swagger

Remember, morons sit in their basements day in and day out making memes and videos of Trump in a wrestling ring, trump riding tanks into victory, and so on. Other morons, mostly male, of all races, buy into this.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:49 AM

14. Toxic masculinity is a hell of a drug (n/t)

 

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:03 AM

26. This.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:28 AM

38. +1

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:42 AM

46. Fascism and toxic masculinity go together like peanut butter and jelly.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:49 AM

15. All of the votes have not been counted...

...California still has millions of votes outstanding.

Let's slow our roll on the post mortems until all the votes are in.

As an aside - Coronavirus made this a very unusual election. In fact I would suggest that it is a one off.

One side took the virus seriously while the other endangered thousands to run a standard campaign operation.

And because of this hundreds of thousands of Americans will needlessly die.

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Response to orwell (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:55 AM

19. A lot more

of Americans voted, there's still counting going on.

Plus the pandemic slowed things down. Let the process proceed.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 08:58 AM

22. $1,200 check and $600 a week additional unemployment. nt

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:01 AM

24. A lot of men like to follow the perceived "tough guy" around

Iíve observed this from high school right on into the military and then into my current industry. People like the thoughtful smart guy, but somehow even when heís obnoxious and annoying many seem to gravitate and stand behind the loud tough guy. (Men, not women in my experience)

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:22 AM

36. I think the COVID situation is more complex than we believed

I have come to believe that COVID fatigue was a huge factor and the
"ignore-it-and-it-will-go-away" attitude was appealing.

For many, it was just wishful thinking and they wanted to believe that it is going away.

But for many, I think we have underestimated the economic realities of how badly it is hurting a lot of wrking class people. Even if they believe it is serious, they no longer have the luxury of staying home. Given the economic realities, they may have voted for the open-up path just so they didn't die in poverty even if there is a chance it could kill them. It is a sad state of affairs but there are a lot of people in this country who need to work even if it is at risk to their lives.

I have been trying to come to terms with my privilege on many subjects. And I recognize that my desire to close schools and restaurants is directly related to the fact that I don't rely on them for my livelihood. I might feel different about the entire pandemic if I did.

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Response to genxlib (Reply #36)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 10:24 AM

52. Well said

Have been thinking about this lately as well.

I wonder if once a person must return to work for livelihood purposes, (not fair we could have done more stimulus etc) if it becomes "I must, im doing this", so the empathy factor lessens, and then less empathy there, leads to even less on other topics. As in, the person most repressed already (lower wage) becomes hardened and then more aligned with harsh policies. I have talked with a few people who appeared this way. Its hard to understand.
But then, like you are saying, must look at myself and how there have been more choices. Although each day, my choices narrow some too.

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Response to leighbythesea2 (Reply #52)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 10:48 AM

59. When I made similar comments in another post

Someone pointed out quiet correctly that it fits perfectly with the "pyramid of needs" theory. Caring about others is a luxury afforded to people who have all of their own needs met.

That response is here and they said is better than I could https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14460905

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:26 AM

37. Trump's people are claiming they got 18% black males and 8% black females (up from 4%)

I won't believe that until they do the post-election autopsy. Because it makes no sense. Same thing with increased Muslim and Hispanic support.

The Trumpers are liars and cheaters. Until there's hard evidence, these claims are just noise.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #37)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:32 AM

41. I'm African American and I don't have a single

relative or AA friend that supports Trump. Not one...Even my brother who makes $500,000+ a year does not support him. His taxes are insane but he is one of the main ones that want him out.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:32 AM

40. Because people are not monolithic based on ethnicity.

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Response to RelativelyJones (Reply #40)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:36 AM

42. I don't understand how a minority can support a man that tells the Proud Boys to stand by..

I donít understand how they can support a man that does not think black lives matter. A man that thinks countries with black populations are shithole countries. They support a man that says there are good people on both sides of Charlottesville. I donít understand it. Must be all about money or something..

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Response to helpisontheway (Reply #42)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:50 AM

49. Roughly 20% of everyone just leans authoritarian.

Those predisposed to authoritarianism will be attracted to strongman style governance, regardless of minority status.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:37 AM

43. There is a sense of being ignored/taken for granted among Black people in my region, its a little

greater among black men (some feel like they've really been forgotten in favor of Black Woman). I can imagination Trump's victimanzation schtick, false promises and phony 'machismo' and veneer of power might appeal to some of them or even be chosen out of spite.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:38 AM

44. Identifying with the aggressor - aka Stockholm Syndrome

 

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 10:06 AM

50. Adverse reaction to the property damage and rioting this year

Trump gained in cities that experienced significant rioting and looting

Cook County (Chicago): 2016 - 20.8%, 2020 - 25.8%
Multnomah County (Portland): 2016 - 17.0%, 2020 - 17.8%
King County (Seattle): 2016 - 21.0%, 2020 - 22.2%
Los Angeles County: 2016 - 22.4%, 2020 - 26.7%
San Mateo County (San Fran): 2016 - 18.4%, 2020 - 19.2%
Philadelphia County: 2016 - 15.3%, 2020 - 18.3%

A notable exception is Minneapolis, which went from 28.2% to 27.3% This might be a case of anger over George Floyd being higher, as it was their own community, overcoming the backlash from the rioting.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 10:15 AM

51. He didn't.....

It's the voting machines.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 10:38 AM

53. Not everybody thinks "defund the police" is a good idea

That crime bill that biden got so much criticism for was supported by the congressional black caucus at the time. My guess is that there are plenty of racial or ethnic minorities that see less policing as a bad thing. I suppose we'll see over the coming years when people do surveys of the electorate.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 10:42 AM

56. The Exit Polls This Year Are Not Reliable

Of course the majority of all voters who voted on Election Day would skew in Trumps direction since those polls donít include the majority of Biden voters who voted by mail.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 10:45 AM

57. Biden got about 70% of the Hispanic vote in Arizona

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 10:47 AM

58. If true, it's due to a long-term, very effective social media strategy,

coupled with the brainwashing of specific individuals with large megaphones (millions of followers), who then go on to taint the discussion with their newly adopted ideas. GOP trolls and bots amplify the talking points and grievances, attacking from the left (using valid points).

This is just my opinion based on the conversations that I've had. Nobody who I've talked to went as far as saying they were going to vote for trump, but I encountered a lot of resistance and hesitation when trying to get friends and family to vote for Biden.

Going forward, we're going to have to be just as aggressive on social media to combat this stuff. Democrats are also going to have to address and resolve many of the social justice issues, once and for all. This may be the last chance to do something before support completely collapses for both parties.

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Response to pinkstarburst (Reply #60)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 11:13 AM

62. Trump is the reason Covid is so bad and the economy collapsed.

So that argument doesn't work.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 11:10 AM

61. If you have no access to real news, you respond to campaign fear ads.

Simple as that. I'm stunned at the level of ignorance of people about what candidates actual policies are. Or voting based on "likable", as if that will make a difference in the voter's own life.

This is unfortunately why $$ can win elections so well...

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 11:19 AM

63. Exit polls are going to be off

You got to remember that a lot of Democratic voters voted by mail, so thatís going to distort all of the exit polling in places where people didnít go directly to the polls.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 11:32 AM

65. It was basically a small increase.

I think 65% of Latinos voted Biden. And I think Trump got 18% of the black male vote in 2016, a 2% increase. I dont know the reasons for Trump's slight increase in support.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 11:34 AM

66. That's where votes were switched. In areas they live.

Because that is where the most votes ARE to switch.
Yes, software flipping votes.
Then this story to provide cover for the vote flips.

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Response to Captain Zero (Reply #66)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 11:41 AM

68. +1, but people will give Trump and the people who work around him the benefit of the doubt and

... argue you up and down that this is not possible or even probable under Trump.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 11:48 AM

71. easily hackable modems.

We made it 'too big to rig" But that doesn't mean they still didn't pull some shit off.

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