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Joe Crapborough was just talking about the fact that Trump got like 20% of black men, some Muslim increases, obviously the Latino increase, etc.
How do all those groups support a proven white supremacist and in the case of Muslims, banned them from the country and wanted a Muslim registry?
While I'm thrilled Biden is winning, the fact that it was so close and Trump gained supporters just makes me so depressed about the future of this country.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)It can override anything else. There were even some Jews who supported the nazis in the early days.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Authoritarianism and fascism.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)We need to rework our message to fight the appeal of authoritarianism. They seek greater government control (look at the efforts to control what media shows, or right to make your own medical decisions), but manage to make people think they are pro individual freedom and independence. They repeat that lie over and over again.
JI7
(89,247 posts)LeftInTX
(25,278 posts)Especially with lower income populations.
It seems like the higher the income in general, the more compliant with social distancing etc. The nicer homes in my precinct were more likely to have a "do not knock" due to Covid 19 and they were generally white. Hispanic voters were less likely to be compliant with social distancing. (I live in a 50% Hispanic area)
Solomon
(12,310 posts)it.
former9thward
(31,987 posts)Todd79
(166 posts)former9thward
(31,987 posts)They did polling on people who early voted (mail and voting sites) as well as election day.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)gab13by13
(21,319 posts)It looks like there could have been some ratfuckery going on in Miami Dade with the Cuban vote. Trump got almost all of the newly registered voters, like 200,000 which seems really odd to me. Someone needs to take a look at Miami Dade.
LeftInTX
(25,278 posts)Those votes went to Clinton in 2016
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... voter suppression so there needs to be a REALLY deep dive into this crap.
That's just ... fuckin wow !!!
After El Paso !?!?
WTF !?
LeftInTX
(25,278 posts)This was a real thing...
Someone from El Paso was on John Cornyn's FB saying she voted for him because Cornyn had done best for border issues and that much of the recent Covid surge was coming from Mexico. (She has a point because there is alot of traffic between the two countries daily)
Orangepeel
(13,933 posts)El Paso: Biden = 66.3, Trump= 31.9, with 92% of vote counted
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/results-texas.html?action=click&module=ELEX_results&pgtype=Interactive®ion=HomepageLink
Biden could get close to Hillary's 69% once all the votes are counted
Boogiemack
(1,406 posts)generations do not want other Mexicans coming here nor do they want central Americans coming here. They believe Trump would (has) kept them out. Same things for Central Americans who have been here for decades, they don't want more Mexicans here or more of their own former countrymen. Same thing for Muslims...hell even some Africans feel that way about other Africans.
Captain Zero
(6,805 posts)nt
LeftInTX
(25,278 posts)I don't know if self-loathing is the word. When white people do this stuff, we don't call them self-loathing.
Bucky
(53,998 posts)Some voters are turned on by alpha male posturing. It's human nature.
groundloop
(11,518 posts)I've never heard her say exactly why she supported tRump, but I'm pretty sure it had something to do with his supposed macho brashness.
qanda
(10,422 posts)Black men will be turning more and more to the Republican party so just be prepared. It's inevitable. The Democrats have taken the Black vote for granted for way too long and if Donald Trump showed us anything, it's that speaking to the issues that affect Black people is not a losing strategy. Credentials: Black woman who has been watching the slow roll of this change.
Perfectly said. Toxic thinking isn't hemmed in by race. We have to start putting human justice and economic opportunity at the center of our policies.
Every time trump claimed he was the best for blacks since Abraham Lincoln some people believed him. He knew he didnt have to tell the truth to be believed, he just had to say the same ridiculous thing loud and often enough, and itll work. Hes trying to peel off the fringes, and it worked.
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)That's where a lot of this minority Trump support comes from, I believe.
qanda
(10,422 posts)It absolves the Democrats of any responsibility for their lack of a message to reach Black men. But, let's be clear, WHITE PEOPLE are the ones who have us counting votes on the Friday after the election. White folks are the ones who need to be examined. Black people don't automatically owe Democrats their votes. 😡
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)I'm talking about minorities with restrictive religions, like some Muslims and some evangelical Christians. And nobody said black men owe Democrats anything. But I've talked to a lot of co-workers about politics, people of all races, and I've noticed that a lot of minorities, male and female and a variety of minorities, who don't have trouble with Democratic economic policies, have problems with Democratic support of GLBT issues. Some are very frank about their hatred for gay people. The homophobia amidst minorities exists just as much as among whites, and is often more virulent. It's sort of like, in my mind, how the other people in the concentration camps used to hate the homosexuals who were imprisoned there.
Marius25
(3,213 posts)It's just hard to understand how so many minorities could support an authoritarian, white supremacist like Trump. This race for me was more about integrity, decency, and corruption than it was about specific policy issues.
I could not vote for a man like Trump, even if his policies aligned with mine, because he's just such an astronomically disgusting human being.
yardwork
(61,599 posts)It's definitely been used as a wedge issue in the past (notably 2000 and 2004), but not this time.
Trump used social media to spread lies about Biden and the Democratic Party, and it looks like these social media campaigns were cleverly targeted to various demographic groups. We knew they were doing this. The Democratic Party keeps underestimating the impact of social media in spreading lies and disinformation.
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)I'm talking about general support of the Democratic Party at all times. I'd say most minorities who supported Trump didn't just start supporting Republicans all of a sudden. Their grievances with the Democratic Party are long-standing and homophobia is a big reason why many of them don't support Democrats.
Sanity Claws
(21,847 posts)I wouldn't be surprised if there was vote flipping on the machines. Rove is supposed to have said they can flip 3% of votes and make it look like the votes within the margin of error. Remember the 2004 election?
Ever since the early 2000s, the polls don't match up with results.
PubliusEnigma
(1,583 posts)Celerity
(43,333 posts)PubliusEnigma
(1,583 posts)Sorry, Cube. You come talking that trash, we'll pull your card.
Celerity
(43,333 posts)If you have a link that shows what you claim post it. Otherwise I will assume that you admit you are wrong.
If you post proof, I shall do the same.
PubliusEnigma
(1,583 posts)You can't appear on camera with a candidate during an election, and then claim ignorance and say you didn't really support the candidate.
Cube realizes the magnitude of his fuck up now. He is attempting damage control by claiming "I was with Trump, but I never supported him."
Bullshit!!
Celerity
(43,333 posts)plus you are goalpost moving
done here
I don not deal with bad faith colloquies
PubliusEnigma
(1,583 posts)It's really hard to defend the indefensible. I can understand why you would rather not even try.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Idiot.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Remember, morons sit in their basements day in and day out making memes and videos of Trump in a wrestling ring, trump riding tanks into victory, and so on. Other morons, mostly male, of all races, buy into this.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)yardwork
(61,599 posts)moondust
(19,975 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)orwell
(7,771 posts)...California still has millions of votes outstanding.
Let's slow our roll on the post mortems until all the votes are in.
As an aside - Coronavirus made this a very unusual election. In fact I would suggest that it is a one off.
One side took the virus seriously while the other endangered thousands to run a standard campaign operation.
And because of this hundreds of thousands of Americans will needlessly die.
bdamomma
(63,840 posts)of Americans voted, there's still counting going on.
Plus the pandemic slowed things down. Let the process proceed.
Kahuna
(27,311 posts)AkFemDem
(1,823 posts)Ive observed this from high school right on into the military and then into my current industry. People like the thoughtful smart guy, but somehow even when hes obnoxious and annoying many seem to gravitate and stand behind the loud tough guy. (Men, not women in my experience)
genxlib
(5,524 posts)I have come to believe that COVID fatigue was a huge factor and the
"ignore-it-and-it-will-go-away" attitude was appealing.
For many, it was just wishful thinking and they wanted to believe that it is going away.
But for many, I think we have underestimated the economic realities of how badly it is hurting a lot of wrking class people. Even if they believe it is serious, they no longer have the luxury of staying home. Given the economic realities, they may have voted for the open-up path just so they didn't die in poverty even if there is a chance it could kill them. It is a sad state of affairs but there are a lot of people in this country who need to work even if it is at risk to their lives.
I have been trying to come to terms with my privilege on many subjects. And I recognize that my desire to close schools and restaurants is directly related to the fact that I don't rely on them for my livelihood. I might feel different about the entire pandemic if I did.
leighbythesea2
(1,200 posts)Have been thinking about this lately as well.
I wonder if once a person must return to work for livelihood purposes, (not fair we could have done more stimulus etc) if it becomes "I must, im doing this", so the empathy factor lessens, and then less empathy there, leads to even less on other topics. As in, the person most repressed already (lower wage) becomes hardened and then more aligned with harsh policies. I have talked with a few people who appeared this way. Its hard to understand.
But then, like you are saying, must look at myself and how there have been more choices. Although each day, my choices narrow some too.
genxlib
(5,524 posts)Someone pointed out quiet correctly that it fits perfectly with the "pyramid of needs" theory. Caring about others is a luxury afforded to people who have all of their own needs met.
That response is here and they said is better than I could https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14460905
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)I won't believe that until they do the post-election autopsy. Because it makes no sense. Same thing with increased Muslim and Hispanic support.
The Trumpers are liars and cheaters. Until there's hard evidence, these claims are just noise.
helpisontheway
(5,007 posts)relative or AA friend that supports Trump. Not one...Even my brother who makes $500,000+ a year does not support him. His taxes are insane but he is one of the main ones that want him out.
RelativelyJones
(898 posts)helpisontheway
(5,007 posts)I dont understand how they can support a man that does not think black lives matter. A man that thinks countries with black populations are shithole countries. They support a man that says there are good people on both sides of Charlottesville. I dont understand it. Must be all about money or something..
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)Those predisposed to authoritarianism will be attracted to strongman style governance, regardless of minority status.
Nexus2
(1,261 posts)greater among black men (some feel like they've really been forgotten in favor of Black Woman). I can imagination Trump's victimanzation schtick, false promises and phony 'machismo' and veneer of power might appeal to some of them or even be chosen out of spite.
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)Amishman
(5,557 posts)Trump gained in cities that experienced significant rioting and looting
Cook County (Chicago): 2016 - 20.8%, 2020 - 25.8%
Multnomah County (Portland): 2016 - 17.0%, 2020 - 17.8%
King County (Seattle): 2016 - 21.0%, 2020 - 22.2%
Los Angeles County: 2016 - 22.4%, 2020 - 26.7%
San Mateo County (San Fran): 2016 - 18.4%, 2020 - 19.2%
Philadelphia County: 2016 - 15.3%, 2020 - 18.3%
A notable exception is Minneapolis, which went from 28.2% to 27.3% This might be a case of anger over George Floyd being higher, as it was their own community, overcoming the backlash from the rioting.
Chakaconcarne
(2,446 posts)It's the voting machines.
mathematic
(1,439 posts)That crime bill that biden got so much criticism for was supported by the congressional black caucus at the time. My guess is that there are plenty of racial or ethnic minorities that see less policing as a bad thing. I suppose we'll see over the coming years when people do surveys of the electorate.
Todd79
(166 posts)Of course the majority of all voters who voted on Election Day would skew in Trumps direction since those polls dont include the majority of Biden voters who voted by mail.
StarryNite
(9,444 posts)ecstatic
(32,688 posts)coupled with the brainwashing of specific individuals with large megaphones (millions of followers), who then go on to taint the discussion with their newly adopted ideas. GOP trolls and bots amplify the talking points and grievances, attacking from the left (using valid points).
This is just my opinion based on the conversations that I've had. Nobody who I've talked to went as far as saying they were going to vote for trump, but I encountered a lot of resistance and hesitation when trying to get friends and family to vote for Biden.
Going forward, we're going to have to be just as aggressive on social media to combat this stuff. Democrats are also going to have to address and resolve many of the social justice issues, once and for all. This may be the last chance to do something before support completely collapses for both parties.
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Marius25
(3,213 posts)So that argument doesn't work.
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Pobeka
(4,999 posts)Simple as that. I'm stunned at the level of ignorance of people about what candidates actual policies are. Or voting based on "likable", as if that will make a difference in the voter's own life.
This is unfortunately why $$ can win elections so well...
qdouble
(891 posts)You got to remember that a lot of Democratic voters voted by mail, so thats going to distort all of the exit polling in places where people didnt go directly to the polls.
Turin_C3PO
(13,973 posts)I think 65% of Latinos voted Biden. And I think Trump got 18% of the black male vote in 2016, a 2% increase. I dont know the reasons for Trump's slight increase in support.
Captain Zero
(6,805 posts)Because that is where the most votes ARE to switch.
Yes, software flipping votes.
Then this story to provide cover for the vote flips.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... argue you up and down that this is not possible or even probable under Trump.
Baltimike
(4,143 posts)We made it 'too big to rig" But that doesn't mean they still didn't pull some shit off.