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struggle4progress

(118,278 posts)
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:46 PM Nov 2020

Court comments put Barrett in bind

By Noah Feldman
November 6, 2020, 9:36 AM EST

... Never before has a president explicitly stated that he is choosing a justice so that she will be able to adjudicate that president’s own immediate re-election ...

The one Supreme Court case .. most directly relevant is .. Caperton v. A.T. Massey Coal Co. It involved a West Virginia judge who was elected after receiving $3 million in campaign contributions from the chairman of a company appealing a $50 million penalty. The chairman knew whichever judge won the election would review his appeal. The Supreme Court held, in an opinion by Justice Anthony Kennedy, that the due process clause of the Constitution was violated when the judge chose not to recuse himself and participated in the appeal that reversed the $50 million verdict against the company. The vote was 5 to 4, with Kennedy joining the court’s (then) four liberals to form a majority.

In a fascinating op-ed .. last month, retired conservative judge J. Michael Luttig — who didn’t care for the outcome in the Caperton decision — nonetheless argued that the decision likely obligates Barrett to recuse herself from participating in a 2020 election decision involving President Donald Trump. He emphasized the crucial sentence from Kennedy’s opinion: “Just as no man is allowed to be a judge in his own cause, similar fears of bias can arise when — without the other parties’ consent — a man chooses the judge in his own cause.”

... Trump has publicly and repeatedly said that one of the reasons he chose Barrett was that so she could cast the decisive vote in an election case involving him ...

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-11-06/election-lawsuits-trump-s-supreme-court-comments-put-barrett-in-a-bind

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Court comments put Barrett in bind (Original Post) struggle4progress Nov 2020 OP
Supreme Court justices are the sole judge (pun intended) rsdsharp Nov 2020 #1
28 USC 455 struggle4progress Nov 2020 #3
Yes, but they are the sole judge of whether their rsdsharp Nov 2020 #5
The statute, and its legislative history, make clear that struggle4progress Nov 2020 #7
They may not be immune from those standards, but the only enforcement mechanism... Silent3 Nov 2020 #8
If the Republicans grab the presidency three times in twenty years, twice due struggle4progress Nov 2020 #10
Perhaps, but not censequences Republicans would give a damn about facing Silent3 Nov 2020 #11
You can decide for yourself what you are willing to do struggle4progress Nov 2020 #14
Not unless Jesus tells her husband what to do and he tells her what to do. 3Hotdogs Nov 2020 #22
I'm sure the Senate would vote to convict after she's impeached. rsdsharp Nov 2020 #16
+1 H2O Man Nov 2020 #21
Oh, well that's easy to explain. You see, when judges grow up and become supreme court justices, jaxexpat Nov 2020 #24
In the irony department, isn't it rumored that Kennedy was bought out... brush Nov 2020 #2
She ain't in no bind Alpeduez21 Nov 2020 #4
THIS ! nt Golfnbrew Nov 2020 #19
That Caperton v. A.T. Massey Coal Co was 5-4 says it all. Tells me conservatives on SCOTUS NoMoreRepugs Nov 2020 #6
Can a SC Justice be disbarred? C_U_L8R Nov 2020 #9
What if she loses her license to practice law??? yuiyoshida Nov 2020 #12
Based on my research ... jb5150 Nov 2020 #13
That's what I thought... but the shame of being disbarred may still be meaningful C_U_L8R Nov 2020 #15
Or rather, it would be if republicans were capable of feeling shame. Salviati Nov 2020 #18
When Karma bites you it has a nasty sting. Ford_Prefect Nov 2020 #17
The prescient President precedent Mr. Ected Nov 2020 #20
I think Barrett, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh should recuse themselves catrose Nov 2020 #23
"...no man is allowed to be a judge in his own cause" except, perhaps, trump pardoning himself. JudyM Nov 2020 #25
K&R UTUSN Nov 2020 #26

rsdsharp

(9,165 posts)
1. Supreme Court justices are the sole judge (pun intended)
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:54 PM
Nov 2020

of whether they should recuse. In Bush v. Gore the law firm that employed Scalia’s son was part of Bush’s legal team. Ginny Thomas was part of Bush’s transition team. Neither recused. Neither will Barrett.

struggle4progress

(118,278 posts)
3. 28 USC 455
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:56 PM
Nov 2020

Any justice, judge, or magistrate judge of the United States shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/455

rsdsharp

(9,165 posts)
5. Yes, but they are the sole judge of whether their
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:01 PM
Nov 2020

impartiality might be questioned. There really is no tribunal to which the decision might be appealed as as practical matter.

struggle4progress

(118,278 posts)
7. The statute, and its legislative history, make clear that
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:19 PM
Nov 2020

reasonable appearance of partiality requires recusal. That such an appearance would result has been clear since before Barrett was confirmed:

... We may need the ninth justice to decide the election, Republicans have said. Trump has refused to commit to respecting the outcome of the election, and Republicans speak about accepting the court’s decision, not the vote count, as if they plan to withhold recognition of the newly elected president unless and until the Supreme Court approves. No wonder Trump is frantic to fill the court’s vacant ninth seat and Senate Republicans ignored the Merrick Garland rule (no Supreme Court confirmations in an election year) ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/10/14/barretts-refusal-recuse-election-is-disqualifying/

Existing standards are clear enough from current case law: no one can be allowed to choose the judge trying his/her own case. The high court is not immune from such standards; and justices serve only during good behavior

Silent3

(15,204 posts)
8. They may not be immune from those standards, but the only enforcement mechanism...
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:21 PM
Nov 2020

...for those standards is impeachment. And that won't happen.

struggle4progress

(118,278 posts)
10. If the Republicans grab the presidency three times in twenty years, twice due
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:28 PM
Nov 2020

to Supreme Court interventions, despite having lost the popular vote in all three cases, there will be extensive political consequences of various sorts

Silent3

(15,204 posts)
11. Perhaps, but not censequences Republicans would give a damn about facing
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:37 PM
Nov 2020

They've clearly shown themselves to play for power at any cost. Many will willingly drive this country into civil war to cling to power.

And all of the potential chaos would play right into Putin's hands.

struggle4progress

(118,278 posts)
14. You can decide for yourself what you are willing to do
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:44 PM
Nov 2020

in various situations and how long a commitment you're willing to make for change

3Hotdogs

(12,372 posts)
22. Not unless Jesus tells her husband what to do and he tells her what to do.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 06:13 PM
Nov 2020

And we know Jesus loves the Republican Party.

rsdsharp

(9,165 posts)
16. I'm sure the Senate would vote to convict after she's impeached.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:58 PM
Nov 2020

However, her vote would still stand.

Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist subsequently noted, "[T]here is no formal procedure for court review of the recusal] decision of a justice in an individual case. This is because it has long been settled that each justice must decide such a question for himself."'

56 Hastings L. J. 657, 660 (2005).

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
21. +1
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 06:03 PM
Nov 2020

I think there is less than a .05% chance that the USSC will touch the election complaints of Trump any how. But your point is extremely important -- it's not simply if the judge/justice thinks he/she might have a conflict, but if it appears that there is one.

Thank you for this!

jaxexpat

(6,818 posts)
24. Oh, well that's easy to explain. You see, when judges grow up and become supreme court justices,
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 07:04 PM
Nov 2020

they go through a metamorphosis similar to caterpillars and butterflies. As they enter the chambers for the first time, their robes, through a mysterious natural process, turn into magical omnipotent honesty shields. When the robes "go through the change" the justice becomes a superhuman exemplar of jurisprudence. It only happens in America and only to USSC justices. The greatest mystery for us mere mortals is how, if they are all perfect in their judgement why do some dissent from their comrades? This, like the virgin birth and papal infallibility is not to be understood by us laymen. Prayer and praise are the only appropriate response for us in our low form of enlightenment.

brush

(53,764 posts)
2. In the irony department, isn't it rumored that Kennedy was bought out...
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:54 PM
Nov 2020

and resigned in the Kavanaugh nomination/confirmation to SCOTUS?

Alpeduez21

(1,751 posts)
4. She ain't in no bind
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:56 PM
Nov 2020

The very fact that she accepted the nomination and went through with the chicanery has shown her integrity as non-existent.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,412 posts)
6. That Caperton v. A.T. Massey Coal Co was 5-4 says it all. Tells me conservatives on SCOTUS
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:09 PM
Nov 2020

have different moral compasses than the rest of us.

C_U_L8R

(44,998 posts)
9. Can a SC Justice be disbarred?
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:26 PM
Nov 2020

Though it probably wouldn't change a thing, at least the stain would go on record

jb5150

(1,178 posts)
13. Based on my research ...
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:42 PM
Nov 2020

There are no explicit requirements in the U.S. Constitution for a person to be nominated to become a Supreme Court justice. No age, education, job experience, or citizenship rules exist. In fact, according to the Constitution, a Supreme Court justice does not need to even have a law degree.

catrose

(5,065 posts)
23. I think Barrett, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh should recuse themselves
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 06:43 PM
Nov 2020

Donald gave them their jobs. They shouldn't decide where he keeps his.

JudyM

(29,233 posts)
25. "...no man is allowed to be a judge in his own cause" except, perhaps, trump pardoning himself.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 07:04 PM
Nov 2020

We shall see.

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