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TygrBright

(20,755 posts)
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:14 PM Nov 2020

I'm glad. But I'm not joyful. I'm still dealing with the worst trauma of my lifetime.

On Tuesday morning I believed the American electorate would soundly and decisively reject the GOP’s politics of fear, greed, hate and division by a margin vastly greater than Hillary Clinton’s narrow popular vote win in 2016. The narrowness of that victory allowed the GOP to steal the Executive Branch using the Electoral College. I really believed that rejection would happen- not just believed, apparently, but was certain the way I’m certain that when I pick up an Agatha Christie mystery, Poirot or Miss Marple will find the murderer and justice will ultimately be served.

On Wednesday morning it appeared that not only had Americans not done that, but a greater percentage of Americans who have been brutalized and exploited by GOP evil and incompetence actually voted FOR [Redacted] and the GOP: Black men and white women.

And Joe Biden, who ran on a platform of decency and competence, narrowly managed to eke out a win currently being disputed with sufficient credibility to perhaps put the specter of another 2000 Supreme Court intervention in play.

“Narrowly managed to eke out a win.” After four years of Americans watching the GOP and its minions tear children from their parents and put them in cages and effectively orphan more than 500 kids. After more than 240,000 Americans died from a pandemic that was ignored, downplayed and mismanaged by the GOP. After multiple attempts by the GOP to repeal the Affordable Care Act and/or deny coverage to Americans with pre-existing health conditions. During a pandemic. After millions of jobs have been lost. “Narrowly managed to eke out a win.”

I can’t come to terms with this.

Nor will I blame the Democratic Party for not being progressive enough, for being too progressive, for infighting, for whatever lackluster sins the Democratic Party bureaucracy may have managed to commit over the 4 years since 2016, much less past derelictions, real and imagined.

When the choice is between a clearly demonstrated, existential threat from a morally bankrupt, viciously corrupt and incompetent ideology and Something Else, people who care about the future of their communities, their grandchildren and their nation choose Something Else. Responsible, moral, ethical caring human beings choose Something Else, even if it is a flawed Democratic Party. And especially if that Party’s representative has made a compelling case for themselves as a competent, decent, ethical human being willing to govern on principles of listening to all, balancing competing interests with compassion, and restoring the Executive Branch’s ability to promote the well-being of America’s most vulnerable people.

Clearly, the America I believed I lived in, where a substantial majority of voting-age citizens are people who do care about the future of their communities, their grandchildren and their nation, was an illusion. The America I thought I was part of, with a large majority of responsible, moral, ethical, caring human beings, was a mirage. I was delusional.

The original Star Trek series had an episode called “Mirror, Mirror” in which a transporter malfunction threw Enterprise crew members into a parallel universe. Instead of serving a Federation dedicated to promoting peace, exploration, and equity among diverse peoples, Starfleet was the thuggish strongarm of a Terran Empire greedy for conquest and willing to enforce its will with genocide. Instead of a shipboard culture of respect for one another and a clear, organized path of achievement and advancement, promotion was achieved by assassination and punishment for those who failed or disobeyed superiors involved torture.

On Wednesday November 4th, I woke up in that Mirror universe.

I am still processing this.

I recognize my responsibility for my own unrealistic beliefs, though I hadn’t thought they were quite so unrealistic or quite so deeply and inherently a part of who I am.

I recognize that yes, there are still many- even that narrow majority of- Americans who are the kind of people I believed Americans are.

I recognize that yes, that narrowly-won victory, if we can hang onto it, gives us a chance to work toward something better, by millimeters if not by the great strides I hoped we were about to take.

I recognize all those things.

But I have spent the past four years with every spiritual muscle clenched, every nerve taut, every breath contingent on a better future I knew would arrive on November 3rd, 2020.

And I am tired beyond tired, and devastated, and shamed, and grieving.

No, I don’t want to talk about it with people who want to tell me it’s not as bad as I think, or people who offer hope I might not be seeing right now, or people who have good ideas about self-care and healing and moving on and making the most of what opportunities we do have.

Not yet.

I’ll get there.

But not for a while.

I’m not who I thought I was, America isn’t the place I believed in.

I need time to parse this out. I need time to explore the inside narrative. I need the trauma to recede a bit. I need to look elsewhere for a while, rather than stirring through the ashes to find artifacts that survived intact or somewhat intact.

I need to get reacquainted with myself, maybe reinvent who I am, a bit harder, a bit more resilient, a bit less naïve and vulnerable and stupid, but hopefully still ethical and compassionate.

I need to grieve my fantasy America, the place I lived in for more than 6 decades that stopped existing quite a while ago, and maybe never existed.

It could have been worse, I know. And I am glad that we have saved something from the wreckage, and will do my best to support Joe Biden and Kamala Harris in the appallingly difficult task of trying to save an America divided, and assure a better future for the nearly half of Americans who would prefer hatred and fear and racism and patriarchy and greed and division. I will.

But not today. Not for a while, yet.

exhaustedly,
Much Dimmer Bright

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I'm glad. But I'm not joyful. I'm still dealing with the worst trauma of my lifetime. (Original Post) TygrBright Nov 2020 OP
Near the end of my life, this harsh reality is very hard to accept. BKDem Nov 2020 #1
Same here. trof Nov 2020 #33
35% DownriverDem Nov 2020 #48
i spent Wednesday grieving. barbtries Nov 2020 #2
Yes, this. TygrBright Nov 2020 #4
Reminds me of invasion of the body snatchers bedazzled Nov 2020 #7
Again only three times in 100 years has an incumbent president failed to win reelection. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #11
i didnt sleep one wink tuesday night..just laid in bet worrying about my health care.. samnsara Nov 2020 #67
Well done. Mike 03 Nov 2020 #3
I feel sad too... bedazzled Nov 2020 #5
I totally agree karin_sj Nov 2020 #57
I hear you Kali Nov 2020 #6
It's always been like this. It used to be worse. leftyladyfrommo Nov 2020 #8
Do you understand that only three presidents have not won a second term in 100 years? Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #9
No president in the past 100 years called soldiers suckers and losers, meadowlander Nov 2020 #15
Agree..it is a big win, and we won in spite of real cheating. 27% of SO FL mailed ballots lost Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #40
In many ways, you speak for me too Wicked Blue Nov 2020 #10
Dumber citizens believing their press and leadership! We have a dishonesty problem! Brainfodder Nov 2020 #12
Oh Bright.... I feel you on so many levels. FirstLight Nov 2020 #13
I feel exactly the same way cynannmarie Nov 2020 #14
With you on each word, Tygr... N_E_1 for Tennis Nov 2020 #16
Someday someone will look back at our post colonialism world with its atrocities and inequities ismnotwasm Nov 2020 #17
I've been in that place of high emotion that one feels when cry baby Nov 2020 #18
Sadly, I am right there with you. Behind the Aegis Nov 2020 #19
Right on, old friend. yardwork Nov 2020 #43
+1000 alwaysinasnit Nov 2020 #54
Thank you for expressing so well what I have been unable to put into words. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2020 #20
They voted for a group that couldn't even be bothered to put together a coherent platform. rwsanders Nov 2020 #21
My feelings exactly. Thanks, TygrBright. LaMouffette Nov 2020 #22
And hate radio that's ubiquitous on long stretches of road in rural areas. Stoking fear. JudyM Nov 2020 #68
I see this take a lot on DU and elsewhere and I'm wondering, why didn't this realization come WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #23
Exactly ismnotwasm Nov 2020 #25
That's a good question kcr Nov 2020 #31
I can answer for myself that the 2004 election was worse than 2000. yardwork Nov 2020 #45
Yes, shocking. mountain grammy Nov 2020 #49
So after going through 2000 and 2004, why are people shocked by either 2016 or 2020? WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #50
As I mention downthread, my disillusionment came in 2004. yardwork Nov 2020 #51
It did. We all knew. But, hope springs eternal. The question now is, do we hope again? Or do we keopeli Nov 2020 #53
Me Too biophile Nov 2020 #24
I AM feeling the same way I felt when I got to this part of yuiyoshida Nov 2020 #26
Just like them, the same, predictable moves. Ligyron Nov 2020 #63
perfect... yuiyoshida Nov 2020 #69
TygrBright, thank you for expressing these thoughts with such clarity. Lonestarblue Nov 2020 #27
Proud Liberal marieo1 Nov 2020 #28
Savor the victories because they are few sandensea Nov 2020 #29
I can't accept at face value that Trump received 70 million votes PNW-Dem Nov 2020 #30
T.H.I.S. live love laugh Nov 2020 #70
I find myself breaking down handmade34 Nov 2020 #32
Kirk reclaimed evil self Cjas Nov 2020 #34
We have to make America love the Democratic Party. LisaM Nov 2020 #35
Well said. trof Nov 2020 #36
America is a very young country and a work in progress soothsayer Nov 2020 #37
+ 1000 DeeDeeNY Nov 2020 #38
That stupid idea of "balance." So uninformed. yardwork Nov 2020 #47
I'm with you. This is actually more disheartening than 2016 was, for what it says about America. paulkienitz Nov 2020 #39
I understand and feel much the same way. But 2004 was my watershed. yardwork Nov 2020 #41
I feel you. ancianita Nov 2020 #42
I've never hated republicans more in my life. Rizen Nov 2020 #44
Excellent essay! burrowowl Nov 2020 #46
Biden and Hillary both got their promised blue waves. ucrdem Nov 2020 #52
You speak for many of us. Thank you Bright! alwaysinasnit Nov 2020 #55
70 million Americans willing to look pass Roc2020 Nov 2020 #56
Sitting here with yesterday's LA Times, have 2 articles to recommend to all DUers... Hekate Nov 2020 #58
You speak for me as well ibegurpard Nov 2020 #59
Here! Have some virtual hugs, TygrStillBright! calimary Nov 2020 #60
I don't feel that way. I feel wonderful. Yes, it was a bad 4 years but so was World War2... CTyankee Nov 2020 #61
I have trouble grasping this too. BBbats Nov 2020 #62
He didn't eke out a win dsc Nov 2020 #64
about 30 years ago I hosted a Danish Exchange Student..we have since visited him and he us samnsara Nov 2020 #65
wow... myohmy2 Nov 2020 #66
TygrBright, you expressed my feelings more eloquently than I could Martin Eden Nov 2020 #71
I share your despair. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2020 #72

barbtries

(28,769 posts)
2. i spent Wednesday grieving.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:20 PM
Nov 2020

it's all i did.

today i will celebrate. but it is certainly a bitter pill to accept that the name of my country is a misnomer.
I'm losing a brother, my only remaining lifelong friend, colleagues i can no longer stand, and trust. now when i leave the house (which i never do because pandemic), i'll be looking at everyone i encounter and wondering if they hate my guts because I'm a liberal.

TygrBright

(20,755 posts)
4. Yes, this.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:23 PM
Nov 2020

"Are you one of them?"

It will be hard to keep that from going through my head, toxic as I know it is.

sadly,
Bright

samnsara

(17,606 posts)
67. i didnt sleep one wink tuesday night..just laid in bet worrying about my health care..
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 07:22 PM
Nov 2020

...and how the hell did half of america believe in this con man? I finally got up at 3 am and turned tv on and saw Joe has won wisconsin. I knew then it was going our way. I took some benadryl and went back to bed.

bedazzled

(1,760 posts)
5. I feel sad too...
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:24 PM
Nov 2020

I comfort myself with my inherent feeling that there was massive fraud. There are too many aspects that don't make sense in thug-controlled states loke florida.

karin_sj

(808 posts)
57. I totally agree
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 06:23 PM
Nov 2020

Voting machines can be hacked. Moscow Mitch wouldn’t pass any bills to protect our election. I don’t think the two are unrelated.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,866 posts)
8. It's always been like this. It used to be worse.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:28 PM
Nov 2020

I am.72 and when I was growing up racism was the norm
A lot of people were awful. A lot if blacks died awful deaths for mo other reason than that they were uppity.

We didn't really realize what was going on because we didn't live in a mixed society. White people lived in one part of town. Blacks in another part if town. Chinese lived in China Town.

I knew about the awfulness, the KKK. The John Burch Society but I lived the the NW and just didn't see that kind of stuff. To us it was just in the South.

The difference now is that Trump allowed people to talk about it, brag about it, act on it. He allowed it.

Demsrule86

(68,469 posts)
9. Do you understand that only three presidents have not won a second term in 100 years?
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:29 PM
Nov 2020

That would Hoover, Carter and Bush1. This is a great outcome. And we still have a chance at the Senate so please stop.

meadowlander

(4,388 posts)
15. No president in the past 100 years called soldiers suckers and losers,
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:35 PM
Nov 2020

ripped babies out of their parents' arms and threw them in cages with no plan to reunite them,
threatened to throw their political enemies in jail,
said Nazis were very fine people,
colluded with a hostile foreign power to steal the election... twice.

There's no point comparing Trump to past incumbents. Or telling people not to feel what they feel.

Trump getting more than 10% of the vote was America failing. Not catastrophically. But failing nonetheless. And it's fine to work through your sadness about it as long as you wake up pissed off on the other end.

Thekaspervote

(32,710 posts)
40. Agree..it is a big win, and we won in spite of real cheating. 27% of SO FL mailed ballots lost
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:28 PM
Nov 2020

Other parts of the country as well

Wicked Blue

(5,821 posts)
10. In many ways, you speak for me too
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:29 PM
Nov 2020

I feel terribly disillusioned. The America I thought I knew is a mirage. Even though my earliest disillusionment was over the Vietnam War, in my gut I still believed that the great majority of Americans were fundamentally decent humans.

I can't reconcile that belief with what we've seen of family separations, children in cages, mismanagement of the pandemic, cuts to social services, refusal to help the poor and hungry and unemployed, and determination to kill health care for millions of Americans. I didn't think that we, as a nation, were that stupid, selfish or gullible.

Some crazy part of me hopes that evidence would surface of the Russians hacking electronic voting machines and flipping votes. Just so I wouldn't think so harshly of so many other Americans.

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
12. Dumber citizens believing their press and leadership! We have a dishonesty problem!
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:31 PM
Nov 2020

The dishonesty is all over once you starting looking.

I'll start, my name is not actually Brainfodder.



FirstLight

(13,357 posts)
13. Oh Bright.... I feel you on so many levels.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:32 PM
Nov 2020

I have a hard time looking at the people around m e and grokking that so many of them are stupid and cruel at heart...that THAT nature has been the one thing that binds them is so sad and horrific to me.

I know I can wax poetic with you on this for a while, and I might have to come back and share thoughts as they come to me. But Thank You for so elequently speaking to something that really is our lingering social and soulful dilemma...

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,664 posts)
16. With you on each word, Tygr...
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:36 PM
Nov 2020

I thought of it like an onion (veg.) dream, nightmare in a nightmare within a nightmare wrapped around another nightmare.

We just woke up from one nightmare, probably the scariest but now we are in another as we see the world shaping in our groggy eyes.

ismnotwasm

(41,967 posts)
17. Someday someone will look back at our post colonialism world with its atrocities and inequities
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:37 PM
Nov 2020

And the country that rose out of all that history with a new promise that failed most of the population, garnering power for a few, those with the right family, the right money, the skin color, the right gender.
That someone may look at Donald Trump as the apex of these inequalities. I hope he is.

I am not surprised because of our social systems of white dominance and whiteness, these toxic systems that spread poison in unexpected places or, of unaddressed misogyny. Of poorly capped capitalism that rose off the back of slave labors, or exploited workers.

I am never surprised.

What I am is enraged.

cry baby

(6,682 posts)
18. I've been in that place of high emotion that one feels when
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:39 PM
Nov 2020

reading/hearing of/seeing animal abuse or child/elder abuse since 2016. A freakin long time!

I’ve surprised myself in my own ability to despise someone so much because they’re so evil. That word “evil” wasn’t in my personal vocabulary until 2015. I’ve fought that tendency in myself. I finally gave in to it a few months ago.

I actually hate. That’s not who I’ve always been.

I have raised a glass to our success in the huge numbers we got. I’ll be very happy and relieved when the thorn in our democracy’s side no longer has the keys to the house.

I totally get your feelings, and share them.

Behind the Aegis

(53,921 posts)
19. Sadly, I am right there with you.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:42 PM
Nov 2020

I think too many of us, myself included, starting counting chickens when they were only a batch of eggs and it tuned out some of those eggs produced more gators for the swamp (Collins, Graham, Ernst, Coryrn). Like you, I also thought this would be a mandate of sorts that the bigotry, hate, divisiveness, and general fuck-wittery would be put in its place, instead, we found "its place" is in the hearts and minds of more than 70 million Americans; that is soul-crushing. It has also been hard, especially for those of us battling anxiety issues, having to hear a chorus of people on our side telling us to "SHUT UP!" and "KNOCK IT OFF!" for expressing our fears, concerns, and anxieties. I am a gay Jew; I know what hate-filled people out there are really like and that they aren't always wearing brownshirts and pointy robes, they are often dressed in nice suits, and many, dress just like me, jeans and a t-shirt and have a smile on their faces, making them indistinguishable as a threat; but, the threat is real.

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
43. Right on, old friend.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:54 PM
Nov 2020

It's been a long journey already and it's not going to get easier. It is what it is.

rwsanders

(2,594 posts)
21. They voted for a group that couldn't even be bothered to put together a coherent platform.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:49 PM
Nov 2020

They just said "we're following this asshole" and the GOP voters loved it.

LaMouffette

(2,020 posts)
22. My feelings exactly. Thanks, TygrBright.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:51 PM
Nov 2020

Right now, I feel relieved that it looks like Biden and Harris are going to win, but I also feel almost as gut-shot as I did waking up the day after Election Day in 2016 and found out to my horror that Traitor Trump had won. How could so many people still adore Trump after being witness to four years of his atrocities?

I blame it on Fox News. I believe the people who watch Fox News are not—okay, I'll say it—intelligent enough and/or educated enough to avoid falling victim to the right-wing propaganda. Or maybe they are smart in a general sense, but they have no critical thinking skills. Fox viewers do not fact-check what they see and hear on Fox. They do not seek out other sources of information. They do not understand the difference between fact and opinion nor do they grasp the importance of being able to distinguish the two.

Plus, I blame good old-fashioned tribalism. A person's political party is very much a part of their self-identity. "My grandparents were Republicans. My parents are Republicans. All my friends are Republicans. And I'm a Republican." Just like you would not expect a Green Bay Packer fan to root for Dallas, it's highly unlikely for a Republican, or a Democrat, to support the other party. And that tribalism makes it all the easier for Fox News and other right-wing propagandists to foment hatred of liberals and Democrats in their viewers.

What's the solution? I have no idea. Maybe as TygrBright so beautifully puts it: "I need to look elsewhere for a while, rather than stirring through the ashes to find artifacts that survived intact or somewhat intact."

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,309 posts)
23. I see this take a lot on DU and elsewhere and I'm wondering, why didn't this realization come
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:52 PM
Nov 2020

for people after 2016?

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
45. I can answer for myself that the 2004 election was worse than 2000.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:57 PM
Nov 2020

Just so, the 2020 election is worse than 2016. It is easier to forgive people for voting stupidly when the thug candidate had not yet been president.

But to vote for Trump NOW, after all this?! That is shocking.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,309 posts)
50. So after going through 2000 and 2004, why are people shocked by either 2016 or 2020?
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 06:07 PM
Nov 2020

It's pretty clear what this country is, and as long as people hope elections will hit the reset button, they'll be disappointed.

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
51. As I mention downthread, my disillusionment came in 2004.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 06:09 PM
Nov 2020

But I can certainly understand how people feel this week. And, objectively, it is just shocking, appalling, disgusting that 70 million Americans voted for THAT.

keopeli

(3,492 posts)
53. It did. We all knew. But, hope springs eternal. The question now is, do we hope again? Or do we
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 06:10 PM
Nov 2020

abandon all hope and embrace the future of no security, no common welfare, and anarchy?

Right now, it's a toss-up for me. We'll see what happens in the coming weeks and months before I decide.

Plus, I may not have to decide. The decision of what the future has in store for us may be made elsewhere, in which case it will either be fight or flight.

Heartbreaking

biophile

(17 posts)
24. Me Too
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:53 PM
Nov 2020

I live and work in the part of Pennsylvania that is more like Alabama - red, red, red.
My Biden sign was the only one on my road. My veterans for Biden sign was stolen the night before the election. My other Biden sign was cut into pieces, although oddly, it was repaired and replaced. I work with people who are nearly all drumpf fans. I am continuously shocked by their inhumanity, their callous attitude towards others, and their gross admiration for a man who is so disgusting, so venal, so base, so corrupt, and so criminal. I am having a very hard time processing the closeness of this election. And an even harder time working face to face with those who gleefully with this representative of all that is terrible about human nature.

Ligyron

(7,616 posts)
63. Just like them, the same, predictable moves.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 07:03 PM
Nov 2020

“Walk into it then, just like your brothers.” Musashi

Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
27. TygrBright, thank you for expressing these thoughts with such clarity.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 04:59 PM
Nov 2020

They resonate strongly with me. I just cannot grasp the appeal of Trump and Republicans. I hope there is some post-election research to learn why the polls were so far off. They gave us a sense of confidence that proved not to be completely real.

I am enormously grateful that it is Biden and Harris who will head our government, but we obviously have work to do to understand what motivated nearly half of voters to choose corruption and amorality over decency and effective government. Being more effective in the 2022 election at both state levels and in Congress will be key to ensuring the future of any progressive agenda.

marieo1

(1,402 posts)
28. Proud Liberal
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:00 PM
Nov 2020

Republicans have made 'liberal' into a foul word. I, for one, am totally proud to be a liberal. I am so glad I'm not a self centered, self righteous, so-called Christian (when that word benefits them), liar, fraud, self centered, uncaring, unfeeling, respectful of all beings on this earth, oh my gosh, I could go on and on!!! Thank God there are Liberals in our world and I thank God I am one of them.

sandensea

(21,604 posts)
29. Savor the victories because they are few
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:00 PM
Nov 2020

I remember feeling the same way in 2000:

Besides the outright fraud in Flawrida, how could so many voters turn their back on a scholar and a gentleman like Gore, and 8 of the most successful years since FDR?

And instead embrace a semi-literate, pseudo-fascist con man like Bush? (Trump wasn't the first - and sadly, won't be the last)

So it confirmed what I think I learned in Mississippi growing up: never to underestimate how blind some voters are, and the power of hate.

It's like blood: it sticks to everything.

PNW-Dem

(244 posts)
30. I can't accept at face value that Trump received 70 million votes
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:02 PM
Nov 2020

After all we've seen in the last four years, it doesn't seem reasonable to accept that Trump did so well. Are we foolishly supposed to accept this as fact? I strongly believe that there has been outside tampering with voting results to seed more chaos and discontent in the United States. Both China and Russia have a lot to gain from this. I am the farthest thing from a conspiracy theorist, but I have a difficult time accepting that there are so many misdirected people in this country.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
32. I find myself breaking down
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:04 PM
Nov 2020

and crying when the numbers go up for Biden... these tears are the gradual letting go of 4+ years of "every spiritual muscle clenched, every nerve taut, every breath contingent on a better future" ...in these past 4 years I have learned to truly hate and I don't like that about myself
I find that I am confused and horrified that 2016 wasn't a fluke but the manifestation of half of a citizenry who care for nothing but themselves, their personal perceived wealth and destructive ideology

I am exhausted as well

Cjas

(10 posts)
34. Kirk reclaimed evil self
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:05 PM
Nov 2020

Think I saw that episode where a Kirk had to confront his evil self. Kirk had grown indecisive and weaker and had to reincorporate bad Kirk to regain his strength and tame, control his bad side.

LisaM

(27,794 posts)
35. We have to make America love the Democratic Party.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:16 PM
Nov 2020

This hated of the Dems started with Reagan and his "L" word crap. And it finished with Bernie and his "DNC rigged it" bullshit.

We are a good party and I am proud of it. I am proud of the candidates we've run. Gore, Kerry, and Hillary Clinton would all have been amazing presidents.

We were lucky with Obama, but I never liked his 2004 convention speech (we aren't red or blue, we're purple). No, the 2004 speech I liked was the one by Al Sharpton, where he raised the rafters shouting about how great the Democratic party was!!

trof

(54,256 posts)
36. Well said.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:17 PM
Nov 2020

My once friendly, social neighborhood has split wide apart. There are former friends and associates that I just can't abide now or ever.
My wife has pretty much divorced herself from her siblings and most of their families (Texas).

DeeDeeNY

(3,354 posts)
38. + 1000
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:22 PM
Nov 2020

I heard on MSNBC that Hispanic voters put Trump over the top in Texas. How is that possible??? I also don't understand people who thought voting for Biden along with a Republican senator would make sense, even though a Republican majority in the Senate would mean Biden can't get anything done.

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
41. I understand and feel much the same way. But 2004 was my watershed.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:29 PM
Nov 2020

My hopes weren't as high this past Tuesday. I guess my disillusionment set in years earlier. The 2004 election was a watershed year for me in many ways.

I was so appalled and disillusioned after the 2004 election, I reassessed my entire life. As a result, a few months later I had an awakening, realized that I am gay, and left my long-time marriage. I began a new career - at the bottom - and essentially began my life over again.

Prepare for revelations. When our world is revealed to be fundamentally different than we thought it was, all kinds of personal revelations can manifest.

Rizen

(707 posts)
44. I've never hated republicans more in my life.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 05:57 PM
Nov 2020

They are evil and trying to destroy our democracy. We must always be united in fighting them.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
52. Biden and Hillary both got their promised blue waves.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 06:09 PM
Nov 2020

The problem is, nobody saw them. Voters couldn't vote and when they did their votes weren't counted. Michigan and PA went to court to avoid conducting the recounts Stein lawfully requested and never performed them. Why would they do that? Because they didn't count all their votes.

Roc2020

(1,613 posts)
56. 70 million Americans willing to look pass
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 06:21 PM
Nov 2020

the words and deeds of Donald Trump just for their ideology. Morality be damned. Sickening

Hekate

(90,562 posts)
58. Sitting here with yesterday's LA Times, have 2 articles to recommend to all DUers...
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 06:24 PM
Nov 2020

But first you, since you wrote this post. This should lead to the first page of the California section, 11-5-2020.

https://enewspaper.latimes.com/infinity/latimes/default.aspx?pubid=50435180-e58e-48b5-8e0c-236bf740270e&edid=30a5cd13-c5d1-42b1-9709-87a1488dbc9f&pnum=18

The first one is by Erika Smith, one of their Black columnists, and just kind of breaks my heart, as I suspect broke hers: “Facing who many of us are in Calif.”

The opening: in 2016, there were 4 million Californians who voted for Tump. In 2020, there were 4 million Californians who still voted for Trump, and they are a lot more diverse than you think. The closing: Biden keeps saying “This isn’t who we are.” But maybe, Erika Smith says: it is who we are.

Man, that just made me tear up to write. Tears running down my face. Like you, I am exhausted.

On the same page, by Gustavo Arellano, who as his name suggests is one of their Latino columnists: “Latino Trumpers? No surprise there.” I haven’t finished it yet, but it also looks like something we need to read.

That’s all I’ve got today. Thanks for your thoughtful post, as always.








ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
59. You speak for me as well
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 06:26 PM
Nov 2020

It should have been a rout and in many places it was just the opposite.
Solidarity.

calimary

(81,125 posts)
60. Here! Have some virtual hugs, TygrStillBright!
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 06:29 PM
Nov 2020


Wish we could safely hug you in person!

Scarlett O’Hara famously said “tomorrow is another day”, and so can we!

CTyankee

(63,892 posts)
61. I don't feel that way. I feel wonderful. Yes, it was a bad 4 years but so was World War2...
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 06:44 PM
Nov 2020

so was the Depression, so was the Vietnam War, so was the Civil War. We survived. We won.

Now we've won again. I think we know what we have to do now, to undo the damage.

I truly believe that the time is exactly right for a Joe Biden. He is a humble man who has faced losses much greater than many of us. With that comes humility and Joe has that. And he has wisdom. Our allies respect him and that is a huge plus.

I'm happy. I'm greatly relieved. I love our new president and first lady and their wonderful family of patriots and decent human beings.

Rejoice!

BBbats

(89 posts)
62. I have trouble grasping this too.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 06:54 PM
Nov 2020

At the age of 67 I'm having a very hard time with this at well.
Friends,family,people who I love & people I play music with supporting & voting for this disgrace.
A black guy tried to punch me in the mouth when I said"I can't understand how you can be black & vote for Trump" Called me a racist.I know Women who support Trump. I can't fathom that either.These women are working upper middle class professionals.Hell,one's a model! She called me a typical kneejerk male liberal who hides behind political correctness.
I've actually had several of these people say Trump is the best president they've had in their lifetime.
How can I grasp that!

Today gave me a little hope.
I work part time in a music store in Philadelpia,PA. In did my heart good to see people united by the Convention Center where the votes are being counted.All ages,races & sexes,All united into demanding all votes be counted.I walked there briefly & was welcomed as a brother.There was a party goin' on! Yeah ,there's some Trump toadies down there looking to start shit but there's way too many of us down there.

Then I come back to my suburb & hear all the damn trumpanzees. They are legion here.They are also the people with the most to lose if Trump wins!

How do I grasp this?

dsc

(52,152 posts)
64. He didn't eke out a win
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 07:14 PM
Nov 2020

He is at 253 now and we have PA with 20 where he is ahead and will win, NV with 6 where he is ahead and will win, AZ with 11 where he is ahead and will win, and GA with 16 where he is ahead and will win but there will be a recount. That is 306. He will have a higher share than the popular vote than any GOP candidate has had since 1988 except maybe W's reelect. His margin will likely be higher than Obama 2012 and thus be the largest MOV since 1996. If he gets to 52%, his share of the vote will be higher than any Democrat since FDR except for LBJ in 64 and Obama in 08. He would will have a higher share than Reagan in 80.

samnsara

(17,606 posts)
65. about 30 years ago I hosted a Danish Exchange Student..we have since visited him and he us
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 07:19 PM
Nov 2020

..and we stay in touch by phone about once a year. A cpl months ago he called and we caught up about his kids, covid and trump. He recalled that when he lived with us..and for a few years after that..he tried like crazy to find a way he could live here in America. He loved it so much. He ended it with how hes glad he didnt, that America doesnt look so good to him any more. Im sure once the stench of trump is washed off us he may reconsider.

myohmy2

(3,142 posts)
66. wow...
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 07:21 PM
Nov 2020

...apparently we're not the country you thought we were...welcome to America, 2020...

...hope you feel better, we've got work to do...

Martin Eden

(12,847 posts)
71. TygrBright, you expressed my feelings more eloquently than I could
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 09:18 AM
Nov 2020

As excruciatingly difficult as it was to accept what happened in 2016 and to endure the incessant outrage of the last four years, what happened this week is in many ways more dispiriting.

For the last four years we have been energized to resist the evil which had taken over our government, determined to fight for a better future with hope and confidence that our fellow citizens would resoundingly reject the evil we'd all been subjected to.

When such high hopes are shattered by the stark realization that so many of our fellow Americans are in thrall to this evil, a period of mourning and reassessment must follow.

Because we have to understand what is, both within ourselves and without.

Then figure out how to move forward with our lives and with our passion for a better future.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
72. I share your despair.
Sat Nov 7, 2020, 04:31 PM
Nov 2020

And, of course, I too recognize that this is a victory. But there is also a traumatic side to it.

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