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Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:36 AM

Abolishing the Electoral College will take a Constitutional amendment, correct?

That will take years, won't it?

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Reply Abolishing the Electoral College will take a Constitutional amendment, correct? (Original post)
BKDem Nov 2020 OP
Wounded Bear Nov 2020 #1
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MaryMagdaline Nov 2020 #3
BKDem Nov 2020 #8
Hokie Nov 2020 #4
elleng Nov 2020 #5
dubyadiprecession Nov 2020 #6
In It to Win It Nov 2020 #9
BKDem Nov 2020 #11
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Laelth Nov 2020 #12
Azathoth Nov 2020 #13
The Genealogist Nov 2020 #14
still_one Nov 2020 #15
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Towlie Nov 2020 #17
The Revolution Nov 2020 #18
phylny Nov 2020 #19
BKDem Nov 2020 #20

Response to BKDem (Original post)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:37 AM

1. Yes, and it is unlikely (impossible?) that the smaller states would agree to it...

at least enough of them to pass an amendment, anyway. Why would the give up their power?

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Response to BKDem (Original post)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:37 AM

2. It will never happen

because it would require the small states to give up political power. Disunion is more likely first.

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Response to BKDem (Original post)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:37 AM

3. Yes. And we don't have the state houses not to mention senate to get it passed

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Response to MaryMagdaline (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:42 AM

8. This is very discouraging.

What do we have to do to add DC and PR as new states?

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Response to BKDem (Original post)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:39 AM

4. Not necessarily

Some amendments have gone through quickly. However, the Democrats would have to take over a bunch of state legislatures and both houses of Congress of course for this to ever happen. If all the states passed popular vote amendments it would effective neuter the electoral college.

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Response to BKDem (Original post)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:39 AM

5. Yes, and difficult for reasons stated,

and a constitutional convention opens too many worms, imo.

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Response to BKDem (Original post)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:40 AM

6. Both political parties will be on board, once the republicans lose the electoral college...

But win the popular vote. It might be awhile before that happens.

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Response to dubyadiprecession (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:43 AM

9. Yup! The moment Texas is no longer in the GOP column, they won't like the electoral college so much

anymore.

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Response to dubyadiprecession (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:44 AM

11. If the Republicans ever change enough to win the popular vote, maybe the EC won't matter....

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Response to BKDem (Original post)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:40 AM

7. None of the smaller, rural states

 

would ever agree to give up that leverage, and why would they? We canít castigate people for voting against their interests and then demand someone else act in direct opposition to their interests.

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Response to BKDem (Original post)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:44 AM

10. It will never happen unless Republican wins popular vote but

Loses the EC. In other words it will never happen.

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Response to BKDem (Original post)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:44 AM

12. Might as well shred the Constitution and start over.

The electoral college system is at the HEART of the fundamental bargain that low population states and high population states made in 1787 to form a UNION of states that protects the rights (and sovereignty) of low population states from the tyranny of the majority.

We simply CANNOT get rid of the Electoral College unless 3/4 of the states agree to do so. The low population states wonít agree to give up their extra power in the Senate and in the electoral college. Why would they?

Yes. Our system is undemocratic, but it was designed to be this way.

-Laelth

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Response to BKDem (Original post)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:45 AM

13. Yes, but the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact doesn't n/t

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Response to BKDem (Original post)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:47 AM

14. The RW propaganda machine is out in full force on it

The message I see is that California will decide all elections if the EC is banned. Lies, of course. As of right now, Trump got 4,630,099 votes in California. That's more votes than he has in Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho and Indiana combined. Lot of votes left on the table for Donnie.

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Response to BKDem (Original post)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:48 AM

15. That is why we need to focus on re-enforcing the blue wall

At the same time states like Arizona and Georgia need grown to support us

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Response to BKDem (Original post)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:50 AM

16. There are a couple pathways but both are 99% improbable

 

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Response to BKDem (Original post)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:51 AM

17. Correct, it's at the very beginning of the Wikipedia article.

Wikipedia: United States Electoral College

The Electoral College of the United States refers to the group of presidential electors required by the Constitution...

It would be very hard to get rid of because it's very unfair. There are many rural, sparsely-populated, states that have far more power than they deserve due to benefiting from the power of their mandatory two senators and their minimum of one representative. Unfortunately they can't be expected to ratify an amendment that changes that.

Also, I live in southern Florida, a state that Trump won. It's really frustrating to me that my vote against Trump was effectively suppressed by the Trump supporters in northern Florida and the communism-fearing Cubans in Miami just because of where I live. If I lived in Arizona, Pennsylvania, or Georgia, I'd feel that I had more of a voice.

The Electoral College is stupider than scoring in bowling. As I'm currently saying below, "If the presidential election were currently decided by majority vote and someone suggested changing to the Electoral College system, how many would say "Wow, that's a great idea"?

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Response to BKDem (Original post)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:56 AM

18. Repeal Reapportionment Act of 1929

I keep posting this, but repeal the Reapportionment Act of 1929 instead. This is the reason the EC is out of alignment with the population. And it is just a law, no ammendment required.

Fixes disproportionate representation ratios in the house as well. Replace it with the Wyoming rule to bump the house up to 600 some members, or just go all out and increase it to 1500+ members. Why not?

This is also more in line with what the founders intended.

https://wheresmyfuckingmoney.com/2020/05/repeal-the-reapportionment-act-of-1929

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Response to The Revolution (Reply #18)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:59 AM

19. Exactly! Thanks for posting this.

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Response to The Revolution (Reply #18)

Sat Nov 7, 2020, 11:59 AM

20. Thanks for posting.

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