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Sun Nov 8, 2020, 08:42 AM

The Real Issue is Why it Wasn't 100,000,000 to 50,000,000.

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Reply The Real Issue is Why it Wasn't 100,000,000 to 50,000,000. (Original post)
cachukis Nov 2020 OP
samnsara Nov 2020 #1
N_E_1 for Tennis Nov 2020 #2
Baltimike Nov 2020 #3
bamagal62 Nov 2020 #4
Baltimike Nov 2020 #8
Edwcraig Nov 2020 #5
ananda Nov 2020 #7
sammythecat Nov 2020 #14
WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #6
ananda Nov 2020 #9
WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #11
Iggo Nov 2020 #20
WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #22
Iggo Nov 2020 #25
WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2020 #26
BarackTheVote Nov 2020 #13
ananda Nov 2020 #17
BarackTheVote Nov 2020 #23
ananda Nov 2020 #27
Klaralven Nov 2020 #10
Towlie Nov 2020 #12
Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #15
grantcart Nov 2020 #18
bluestarone Nov 2020 #16
SMC22307 Nov 2020 #19
Lock him up. Nov 2020 #21
cachukis Nov 2020 #24

Response to cachukis (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 08:45 AM

1. thats the scary part..half the country voted for a known fascist...

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Response to samnsara (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 08:46 AM

2. But more than half did not...nt

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Response to cachukis (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 08:47 AM

3. Because lots of districts are strapped with easily hackable modems

and it is high time we stop pretending they're not being hacked.

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 08:54 AM

4. This! I said this to my husband and my brother

yesterday. We’re fortunate we had all those mail in ballots. They weren’t prepared for that. If not for covid, in many ways, trump might have won. We have to get rid of those machines.

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Response to bamagal62 (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 09:07 AM

8. Why is it that the exit polls and the vote tally never coincide when it's electronic?

But they ALWAYS do when there's a paper trail?

And how is it that these "discrepancies" ONLY ever favor the right wing? In twenty YEARS, they only favor them.

It is time to stop castigating the people who have been pointing this out for a while.

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Response to cachukis (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 09:00 AM

5. Racism and abortion

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Response to Edwcraig (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 09:07 AM

7. Also brainwashing and propaganda..

The way our media works is a huge problem,
particularly in the rural areas.

Look at hatetalk radio, the way Sinclair has
taken over tv markets and forces employees
to spout lies and propaganda.

Even the way supposedly decent cable news
channels like CNN and MSNBC normalize
horrendous policies and actions or else
water things down in both sidesism.

Since when has news just been the news?

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Response to Edwcraig (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 09:58 AM

14. That IS the answer.

And the likelihood of them ever changing is just about zero.

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Response to cachukis (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 09:04 AM

6. White supremacy.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 09:09 AM

9. To a large degree, yes..

However, I don't think all 70 million Trump
voters were white supremacists. Of course,
a large number were, but what about the
rest?

Is the illusion of power an aphrodisiac to
people who have been bullied or discriminated
against, thought of as less than, and/or raised
by authoritarian parents?

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Response to ananda (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 09:12 AM

11. I mean that we live in a white supremacy and this election was held in the context of white supremac

and that our electoral system is built on and meant to uphold white supremacy, and without a critical approach to the systems we all participate in, we will continue to uphold white supremacy. I don’t mean that individual voters are white supremacists.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 01:16 PM

20. Unbelievable how specific one has to get to keep people from dancing around a very simple concept.

The system is racist.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 01:19 PM

22. Yeah, people like to dance around it so they don't have to examine their roles in it.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 02:38 PM

25. One of the toughest things I ever did.

Still doing it, really. It never ends.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 02:58 PM

26. With you. It's a journey.

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Response to ananda (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 09:51 AM

13. That's the thing though

You don’t need to be waving a Confederate Flag and spewing racial slurs to be a white supremacist. You don’t even have to realize you’re upholding white supremacy, or holding views that benefit white supremacy; it’s a passive thing for a lot of white people and takes an active self-examination to root out its influences in your life.

You might not wear a white hood, but you might think, “They’re right, if there are more immigrants from Mexico, it will be harder for Americans (white people) to find jobs,” or “That’s true, Black neighborhoods do have more crime (areas with deep-rooted poverty have more crime), we need more cops there to control it (them),” or “Why should I have to contribute part of my taxes to help failing schools, or provide social welfare (in Black neighborhoods), they should take responsibility for their own decisions (not even considering that it wasn’t their decision to be born into generational poverty).” All of these views for many people have the ring not of white supremacy, but of “common sense,” and it’s pernicious.

And heaven help you if you try to call it out on some people, even in the gentlest terms—they seem to just circle their ideological wagons, insist they’re not racist and maybe even lob at you that YOU’RE the racist because you recognize that white privileged is a thing that, you know, exists. Yes, they do have a persecution complex, yes, that does make them far more susceptible to falling for a big tough daddy like Trump—but the thing that they feel like they’re being persecuted by is “PC police” who really just want everybody to be respectful of one another like people are in a, you know, civilized society. They feel persecuted because maybe they told a black joke that one time and people didn’t laugh and maybe they even got called out on it. Meanwhile, actual persecution with dire consequences is happening to BIPOC all the time.

Anyway. In answer to the question, it’s racism. Also, misogyny. And homophobia.

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Response to BarackTheVote (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 01:05 PM

17. White privilege and entitlement is a thing..

and particularly virulent and dangerous when
attached to racism and all the other isms as well...

but perhaps the range of the vote can hold
other energies as well, such as religious
zealotry, greed, and just plain being attracted
to the illusory power of the bully.

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Response to ananda (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 01:57 PM

23. I think all these things are connected

It’s long been observed that Evangelicals latched onto abortion as a wedge issue because it was no longer viable for them to openly support Jim Crow legislation.

Avarice is often tied not just to wanting to accumulate wealth for yourself, but keeping others from acquiring what COULD be yours, in this case, maintaining the generational poverty of minority communities.

And power and bullying are very much tied to feelings of superiority toward marginalized individuals—remember the quote about how if you can convince the worst white man he’s better than the best Black man, he won’t notice that you’re robbing him blind?

The authoritarian mentality NEEDS an other, and here, the most convenient others are Black people, Latinos, and Muslims.

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Response to BarackTheVote (Reply #23)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 03:00 PM

27. Bingo

White voters sometimes use other issues to disguise
their supremacism.

Another way is to use their so-called christianity as
a crutch for martyrdom, feeling persecuted by
what they term the minority religions which want
to take over.

Give me a big fucking break!

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Response to cachukis (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 09:11 AM

10. Nothing is settled

The social media driven groups on the far right and far left will not disband. Things may cool off a bit over the winter, but I expect next summer to be just as hot as this one was.

It will be interesting to see whether vaccine versus no vaccine becomes the new mask versus no mask marker of political alignment.

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Response to cachukis (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 09:23 AM

12. Because sitting next to the better angels of our nature are the worse devils of our nature.

Also, half of the population have an I.Q. below 100.

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Response to cachukis (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 10:09 AM

15. Yep, we have work to do. But our ticket won historical numbers...it was not the voters...

but the electoral college and Senate system that will make it impossible to move left. We need a 50 state strategy which involves winning Statewide and nationally.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 01:09 PM

18. This. The real issue is how do we turn it to 100m to 50m

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Response to cachukis (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 10:15 AM

16. RELIGION! Right wing GUN HUMPERS.

1) Religion it's the GOD told me crowd. THEY will hear NOTHING else!!! you just cannot talk to these CRAZIES!! 2) Right wing crowd. These people were ALWAYS against being forced by Gov. to do things. (wear a mask for Christ sake) RUSSIA perfect storm BULLSHIT! This ALL has to be addressed in the next four years!!

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Response to cachukis (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 01:10 PM

19. No, it's not. The country has been evenly divided for quite some time.

Many vote solely along party lines. Many view elections as sports with their team winning being the most important thing. Decades of right-wing brainwashing keep people voting for Republicans -- God, Gays and Guns is not unique to this year's election. We're a nation of bullies -- we saw that during eight miserable years of Bush/Cheney. Why do you think that would change with Drumpf?

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Response to cachukis (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 01:18 PM

21. Because close to maybe over 75 million still didn't bother to (or "could not") VOTE?

https://results.decisiondeskhq.com/

Total votes = 146,668,047 in a country of over 330,000,000 citizens? https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/us-population/

How many don't care about politics? Or can't vote because too many requirements?

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Response to cachukis (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2020, 01:59 PM

24. This helps explain the dilemma before us.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fox-news-vs-msnbc-which-network-talks-of-hate-more-often-11601326111.

Fox News is up to five times more likely to use the word “hate” in its programming than its main competitors, according to our new study of how cable news channels use language.

Fox particularly uses the term when explaining opposition to Donald Trump. His opponents are said to “hate” Trump, his values and his followers.

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