The election was rigged. The rigging failed.

[Tom Rinaldo]

There is ample wide spread evidence that the 2020 election was rigged, and it was done on a massive scale and barely disguised if at all. The evidence is clear and irrefutable, and that rigging almost certainly moved millions of votes; Directly into the trash bin. Look at decisions made by Trump appointees to the United States Postal Service to see how the 2020 election was almost stolen for Donald Trump. The abrupt simultaneous decommissioning and dismantling of automated mail sorting machines, and sudden new directives stripping local facilities from the ability to utilize overtime pay, an order that would paralyze the functioning of any major law enforcement agency anywhere in the nation. Directives that required mail delivery trucks to rigidly adhere to predetermined schedules for mail delivery, even if those trucks drove away empty while huge stacks of mail were almost ready to be shipped out. Hard cold statistics that showed severe drops in on time mail delivery, most centered in regions that tend to vote Democratic in swing states where everyone believed the final election results would be determined.

It was no secret that Democrats, due to the lethal pandemic, urged voters to make use of mail voting. It is no secret that Trump, in order to pump up his standing on election night itself, urged his supporters to vote in person instead. The 2020 election was rigged, it was rigged by Donald Trump, and he disenfranchised millions of voters in so doing and thereby swung the final results to Republicans in an unknowable number of races below the Presidential level. Those elections were successfully stolen, the Presidency was not. But that wasn't for lack of trying.

[SheltieLover]

1. Rove was arrogantly bragging to someone just before election

Ironically, I believe the covid-related absentee ballots saved our country!

Must get rid of voting machines everywhere!

[Tom Rinaldo]

13. Yes, I'm aware of those reports

We need an essentially fail proof system for voting, and the one(s) we have now doesn't remotely come close to that. All across the country activists have to keep pushing for that. But you and I both know that, realistically, the public for now is skeptical at best when we argue that elections may have been compromised by deliberately miscalculated touchscreens and the like. This is an ongoing struggle, BUT EVERYONE KNOWS THAT TRUMP DELIBERATELY F*CKED WITH THE POST OFFICE!

[SheltieLover]

22. Very true!

7 USPS facilities were broken into a day or do before the election in Nashville!

I've never heard such news.

It is being investigated.

I find the timing HIGHLY susoect, considering Judge Sullivan's order for dejoy to sweep facilities for ballots.

I could bewrong, but my guess is that this red state would bd a perfect place to warehouse waylaid ballots! And to endure they were never found or counted, someobe organized this string of break ins!

Here is link:

https://www.wkrn.com/news/crime-tracker/investigation-underway-after-6-post-offices-broken-into-in-middle-tennessee/

Ps - total is now up to 7.

[DENVERPOPS]

65. Yes Sir, Deliberately......

And what is worse, is that No one including Trump or Dejoy will ever be held accountable or penalized. Just watch.

THIS REPUBLICON PARTY IS BY FAR THE MOST THOROUGHLY CORRUPT AND CRIMINAL POLITICAL PARTY IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF OUR NATION.

The RepubliCONs acknowledge it, they brag about it, they laugh about it, and they know that nothing ever gets done about it.....
Until people like DeJoy end up in regular prisons, and not "Camp Cupcakes" nothing will change, only get worse.
I have no doubt Trump will be pardoning hundreds and hundreds of his administration, then pardon himself.

[certainot]

77. great point. romney was just on CNN saying republicans won overall, and americans don't want

green new deal, higher taxes, or public option, etc.... and cong spanberger blames her loss on democrats being 'socialist'! maybe she should have turned her local radio station on to hear limbaugh call democrats communists all day long. and now there are 'moderate' democrats all over telling biden he needs to compromise with assholes who think global warming is a hoax and minimum wage kills jobs. right now ali velshi is asking bernie if dems aren't making themselves vulnerable by allowing themselves to be called 'socialist'!

all because it wasn't a blowout!

they're full of shit

these motherfuckers stole a lot of elections all over the country by sabotaging the post office in front of everyone and biden needs an investigation to estimate how many votes were fucked with. as you say, that is right there in front of everyone. we also need to investigate if sabotaging the PO was a part of the strategy of letting COVID get worse - in other words, anticipating democrats proportionally more than idiot republicans would vote by mail because it was so bad. maybe they were anticipating a second wave would hit sooner.

then the entire election system needs a total overhaul - machines, etc

[Captain Zero]

81. Oddly I noticed Trump ended up with Romney's famous 47%

Mitt wants another run at his 47% is why his mug is out there today.

[JudyM]

89. So much THIS. I'm trusting Joe and Kamala leading in toning this down.

In our case, there actually are very good people on both sides. Unite and fight the right.

[ZZenith]

113. Spanberger won.

[certainot]

115. you're right thanks. she won about 51-49 but i wonder how close it would have

been if her supporters and staff had been monitoring and responding to the swiftboating she was getting from the local radio blowhards - and the support her opponent was getting

Posted: Nov 6, 2020 / 01:34 PM EST / Updated: Nov 7, 2020 / 12:37 PM EST
RICHMOND, Va. (WRIC) — Democratic congresswoman Abigail Spanberger was critical of her party’s approach leading up to the 2020 election in a private caucus call Thursday, describing the congressional election results as “a failure” the day after she declared victory over Republican challenger Nick Freitas

[ZZenith]

116. Nobody detests right-wing radio more than I, certainot.

I get it - just trying to stay factual.

[certainot]

117. well, i don't know... i guess i'm a close second then

[ananda]

56. It sure looks that way!

So how do we make that happen?

[SheltieLover]

57. I don't know!

Ideas?

[ananda]

61. OK.

I would suggest organizing a group for this,
led by youngsters like Stacey Abrams and
others -- a very large one, filled with people willing
to lobby, litigate, demonstrate, protest,
and run for office with voting rights as the
first priority.

[forgotmylogin]

108. I think all states should permit in-person voting the entire month of October.

It's much easier to take an afternoon off work and get to a Board of Elections or take a drive to an official poll place if you have more leeway on when to schedule instead of the same Tuesday in November as everyone else in the goshdarn country. For more remote places, have official traveling vote trucks that can travel to voters and set up operation in a courthouse or a library for several days like a tour. It's all done on paper - eligibility is controlled by the poll pads, ballots are printed in advance or as needed, initialed by a Democratic and Republican observer when handed out

You could still vote on election day, but having chances to early vote will go toward alleviating crowds and long lines.

This is how filing taxes works although you can do it online. The IRS is able to secure taxes and refunds, the government should be able to secure voting and the registration databases in the same way.

[OhNo-Really]

96. Thank goodness for drop boxes

[mopinko]

2. touchscreens must be examined.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214467912

[SheltieLover]

12. Absolutely must require paper ballots, Mo

Machines must go!

[mopinko]

14. been saying for 16 f'n years now- paper ballots not vapor ballots.

[SheltieLover]

18. Exactly!

If someone were to begin a national initiative to require paper ballots, repukes would be squealing!

[jaxexpat]

28. They are allergic to countable, verifiable votes.

The mail ins are killing them because they're substantive testimony.

[SheltieLover]

37. Absolutely!

They hate any & all transparency or accountability!

Fuck them. They work for US!

[mopinko]

30. that's why they tried to shut down mail ins.

they were fine w early voting, because in most places that i know of, that is touchscreen.
but the results are clear- touchscreens- trump. paper- biden.

they have gotten so bold. the polls were right. the counts were wrong.

that is why we didnt take the senate, and barely held the house.

[SheltieLover]

40. Absolutely!

Sadly, even if investigated, I highly doubt there will be adjustments made regarding rightful winners.

[c-rational]

78. +1

[DENVERPOPS]

68. Quite a few of us have been saying that since 2000

And you know what I find interesting?
The machines programs and compilers? were screwed with in 2000. That has been proven by several University investigations.
The machines programs and compilers? were screwed with in 2004. That also was proven by several University investigations.

I figured ten minutes after Obama was inaugurated, he would have made a task force of the Dept of Justice, The FBI and the FEC to thoroughly investigate and do whatever needed to be done to correct the touch screen voting machines problems. AND criminally prosecute those responsible for the reprograming so they would flip votes....

I watched and I did not see him do anything about the voting machines. I think Obama is one of the best presidents ever. He came in a little naive, but did a spectacular job overall. But, as far as I can tell, he did nothing about the voting machines, so here we are, once again. I believe the reason that the rigging of the machines in Obama's elections was tripped up, was that they rigged it for a 10-12% flipping, and he had such a landslide of voters, that they hadn't rigged it for that large a number of votes for Obama.

[treestar]

72. That's at state level

Something can be done at state level.

My state went from touchscreens to a machine that makes a paper ballot for you. You can see it before you launch it into the chute. So something was done to change the state's methods.

[Captain Zero]

79. Indiana lets each COUNTY select it's voting method. 92 counties here.

nt

[Hermit-The-Prog]

97. That condenses it nicely: "paper ballots not vapor ballots"

[mopinko]

102. i survived the bush years making buttons.

so, yeah. great way to polish your writing.

[Klaralven]

21. The other side, of course, is claiming that the machines that counted the paper ballots were rigged

Achieving actual election security would require an audit of the whole system, from how voters are qualified and registered all the way through to how the precinct and county level totals are summed and reported out.

[Tom Rinaldo]

41. Focusing on Trump's sabotage of the Post Office for now and it's absolutely predictable consequences

avoids us falling down that rabbit hole of a discussion, as important as it may ultimately be. When we get technical over how voting systems operate, and how they can or can not be interfered with, most Americans glaze over. But everyone understand dismantling mail sorting machines and mail delivery suddenly slowing down. Absolutely an audit as you describe should happen. Right now we need to turn the tables on Trump's claim that the election was unfair in a way that everyone instinctively understands. And that would be "messing with the mail."

[Klaralven]

44. I voted by mail with absolutely no problems

This state mailed ballots to all registered voters over a month before the election. I mailed mine in weeks before the election and the website shows that it was received the day after I mailed it. Unlike first class mail, as business reply mail it did not appear to go through a regional sorting facility, but went straight to the county clerk.

Only an idiot would mail their ballot at the last moment. However, last minute voters could drop their ballots off in collection boxes at numerous locations throughout the county.

[Tom Rinaldo]

46. Many otherwise smart people sometimes do idiotic things

I know that is true of me. Maybe it can be said that legitimately smart people do idiotic things less often than legitimately dumb people, but no one is immune. Speaking for myself, often is is a function of where I do or do not focus my attention. When I am not actively "tracking" I am more prone to dumb oversights, errors, or impromptu decisions without really thinking them through. Whatever, it was statistically obvious to Trump and his minions that if they slowed down mail delivery, a small but significant percentage of mailed back ballots would arrive after deadlines.

[MyOwnPeace]

52. More "proof" of 'rigged'........

What about all of those "Republican" collection boxes they had put out in California?
Who knows where their contents went?

[treestar]

73. Without using priority

No one can be sure how long it will take. First thing is reform the states who have rules that they received the ballot by election day. You can put it in the mail 2 weeks before and not be absolutely certain it will get there in time. It should be postmark date. A lot of government and court deadlines use that.

[DBoon]

112. only an idiot would mail in their federal tax return at the last minute

Unfortunately, the world is full of idiots (also known as procrastinators)

[DENVERPOPS]

74. Well

Given the history of the criminal tampering in so many different ways by the Republican Party, maybe we do need to evaluate our voting system and institute whatever is needed to correct the possible ways for the vote to be corrupted.

And if the RepubliCONs fight and try to block putting in a system that rules out ALL the different ways to commit fraud, the American People should see that for what it is:
That the RepubliCONs want a system that can be tampered with, and why is that, People???????

The other thing that Trump/RepubliCONs did almost immediately after taking office was to emasculate the Federal Election Commission.
The FEC had no power to do anything for the last four years. Absolutely No Power at all.......

[Klaralven]

86. I think that the universal mail-in ballot is probably the best approach to work from

Things seemed to go well here in NJ, where ballots were mailed to all registered voters. I don't know, but I think all counties used business reply mail envelopes and all set up collection boxes, usually at the municipal buildings or other public property locations where they could be monitored.

I'm not sure how the Uniform Commercial Code originated, but we need a similar set of laws and regulations to standardize voting laws and regulations across the US. Perhaps the legal profession could set up some organization under the auspices of the State Attorney Generals, Secretary of States and State Legislatures to formulate a Uniform Voting Code. Then we would at least have a standard set of rules and regulations to publicize to voters and to teach in schools.

Another good move would be to separate the Federal ballot for President, Senators and Representative from the State and Local ballot. This would enable a standard, simple Federal ballot that would be very similar across all counties of a State and which could be processed and tabulated more easily and reliably. You could likely make it a normal sized page, scan it with regular high-speed scanners, and use software to process the images for the marks.

Finally, the US Postal Service should be mandated to segregate the distinctive ballot envelopes at pickup and, if they are mailed within the county, directly route the envelopes to the county election center.

[DENVERPOPS]

101. We have it

where all voters are mailed a ballot in Colorado.
It is a good system, but there are still ways to tamper with it, but it could be refined to make it really difficult to corrupt.....

[fierywoman]

109. If your average high school hacker can hack into a generic US voting machine in minutes, you

really think the creeps aren't manipulating machine votes?

[LiberalArkie]

62. Are you ready to cut the number of voters that can vote by half?

[DENVERPOPS]

76. I believe

the the paper ballots, as they are now, can be tampered with also.
You're forgetting that the machines that read the mail in ballots require programming to know how to tabulate what is on the ballot......
There are a few other things that need to be corrected with the mail in ballots also.......

The mail in ballot system here in Colorado works pretty well, but needs a few tweaks to indeed make it as foolproof as it can be.....

[usaf-vet]

87. I don't know about anyone else. But I was working in the IT world before retirement.....

..... and I couldn't believe how quickly they geared up every state to vote electronically.

Those of us that worked in the industry knew how easy it was to hack any computer back then. Especially ones that get last-minute "updates" via USB devices by "company" employees just days before the election. WITHOUT the election officials knowing what and why the update now. Ohio 2020?

Anyone that owns an electronic device should know from experience UPDATES are not always clean free of errors and bugs and early adopters are simply beta testing the updates to likely find the bugs.

I NEVER jump to update any system for electronic devices I own. My smartphone has been telling me for weeks there is a new system update. I ignore it unless it's a well know security patch for a known flaw in the currently installed version.

Back in 2000 I always felt the hanging chads were and EXCUSE to go electronic. Hacking remotely became an instant problem. Proprietory owned equipment should have sent up red flags everywhere.

We must disconnect out voting machines from internet access at the very least. No more last-minute USB updates to voting machines. To me, that means paper ballots are the safest way to hold an election.

[TexasBushwhacker]

103. I liked the touchscreen I used

You insert a paper ballot, make your choices and then the ballot prints out and I could see "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" on the print out. Then I personally got to feed it into the electronic ballot box. Once I got my blank ballot, my hands were the only ones that touched it.

[mopinko]

104. you can hack tabulators too.

they must be audited.

[TexasBushwhacker]

105. I'm sure anything can be hacked

But my county was blue, and while Trump's percentage of the vote was the same in Texas, Biden did better than Clinton and turnout was 2 Million higher.

[Girard442]

3. History will record that Biden actually won by a landslide.

[Shermann]

4. He won by less than 3 popular vote points as of today, I don't see how that gets to 10 nt

[Baltimike]

6. because the easily hackable electronic modems are hiding Biden's true victory. nt

[SheltieLover]

9. And many down ballots!

[Baltimike]

11. damn stright. nt

[Girard442]

10. He won't officially get to 10 -- but I believe the votes were out there.

[Hugin]

5. No doubt on that.

Either way.

[SheltieLover]

7. We are fortunate repukes miscalculated # of votes to mess with!

We have to find a way to require paper ballots!

Remember Diebold & Ivanka's voting machines?

Computers are wonderful tools, but just because we CAN do something does not mean we SHOULD!

[DanieRains]

8. How Many Votes Were Not Counted Is Once Again The Question Mr. Palast?

In Republican Psycho World they didn't cheat. Just ask them.

[mfcorey1]

15. This is a powerful and truthful analysis. I firmly agree and look forward to someone

creating a documentary that exposes all of it.

[jaxexpat]

34. Been done several times by PBS, though too few watch.

I don't get it, people watch "The History Channel" more than PBS. Must be that people prefer the hype and commercials?

[Ligyron]

55. Right, if Bigfoot or Ancient Aliens could be tied into vote hacks and mail theft ...

... there'd be national outrage and a cry for swift action.

[jaxexpat]

58. So right.

They'd swift-boat bigfoot in a minute. Reaction de jour? Beautiful walls for the aliens. Museums for the ancient ones.

[Hugin]

16. Thanks for bringing this up, Tom.

Even if there wasn't cheating (which I seriously doubt, because, it's well documented Il Douche knows no other way). What you describe is an avenue to possible election tampering and fraud. It needs to be fixed. Protect our Democracy!

[SheltieLover]

17. Human behavioral trends do not support the narrow results!

People do not stand in lines for hours all across the country because they like the way things are going.

Masks & social distancing pix of people in lines supports this.

Get rid of machines!

[apcalc]

19. We made a concerted effort in my SE PA county to return our ballots IN PERSON.

We told people to take the ballot to the Board of Elections or use the drop box. DO NOT MAIL them.

[Tom Rinaldo]

20. I intentionally chose NOT to discuss how voting machines could have been messed with or hacked.

Like it or not, for a vast number of Americans, such discussions for now fall into the category of "conspiracy theories". We can and should advance that discussion throughout the coming months and years BUT RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO CONTROVERSY OVER WHETHER TRUMP DELIBERATELY MESSED WITH THE POST OFFICE.

Right NOW, while Trump is out there tweeting that this election was stolen from him, before Biden is sworn in, I feel strongly that we should stick to a case where the facts are not really in dispute. Trump rigged the election in his favor by intentionally sabotaging the USPS.

[SheltieLover]

24. He most certainly did!

[llmart]

25. I can't recommend your post enough.

What he did with the US Postal Service was treason as far as I'm concerned.

[BComplex]

23. Best thread of the day!

Yes!
Yes to paper ballots.
Yes to calling the republicans out on being the election "cheaters"
Yes to making sure there's no way to steal an election OR disenfranchise voters.

[SheltieLover]

29. And hell yes to saving our postal service!

IMMEDIATELY folliwing election, my mail delivery reverted to normal.

I posted here about this & a few others reported the same thing.

In my case, for 2 years my mail arrived by 9:30-10am the latest.

When dejoy removed 5 high-speed sorters from Memphis, nearing the election a month before, mail was "delivered" between 1-2pm.

Election over, mail returns to normal.

And, during the period of late delivery, I watched mail delivery. Maybe 1-2 stops on my whole street for carrirr to place a piece of mail in boxes!

[BComplex]

33. I've been wanting the post office bailed out and made right for years.

What the republicans do to screw with the post office has been going on for years, and it has to be reversed. DeJoy only made it impossible for the election, but there is the republican rule that the post office has to fund their retirement accounts ahead of time to the tune of billions of $$, and it's absurd!

[SheltieLover]

39. Yes!

75 years into the future.

Repukes did that to build up a huge nest egg so they could privatize and rape those funds.

[better]

80. Personally, I think it was more aimed at privatization. It was supposed to bankrupt USPS, but didn't

[I_UndergroundPanther]

114. Get rid of the republicans poison pill

To fund employee retirements for 70 years in advance too.

[procon]

26. Why do you separate the vote for president from all

the other down ticket votes? Everything is listed on the same ballot.

In your premise, if Trump and his bumbling henchmen managed to disenfranchise millions of voters by suppressing their votes then they were denied the right to vote for everything on the ballot, including the president.

[Tom Rinaldo]

31. I believe I covered that.

"The 2020 election was rigged, it was rigged by Donald Trump, and he disenfranchised millions of voters in so doing and thereby swung the final results to Republicans in an unknowable number of races below the Presidential level. Those elections were successfully stolen, the Presidency was not.

The distinction I made was over where Republicans failed vs succeeded.

[procon]

48. No, that doesn't explain anything.

Everything is still on one ballot. If people received their mail in ballots they voted for everything listed, not just the president, or the down ticket votes. Why would Republicans be more interested in the down ballot votes, but not the presidency?

There's just no credible way to logically validate your conjecture. Even as a conspiracy theory, your assertion is full of discrepancies. You can't just claim the election was rigged because you set up this arbitrarily false dichotomy to fit your storyline.

How did you determine that millions of voters, for some inexplicable reason, would segregate their votes? It's not a case of either/or if Trump used the USPS to disenfranchise voters, which I do not discount at all, but that would mean no votes were cast if voters did not receive their ballots at all, or not in time.

Your submission needs work.

[Tom Rinaldo]

50. I said an untold number of races below the Presidential level could have been stolen

I stand by that choice of words. There is a well known political phenomena called ticket splitting. Not everyone who votes one way for President votes consistently down ballot for the same political party. Politicians develop their own support base at the State and local level. That, for example, helps explain why someone like Steve Bullock did better than Biden, or Susan Collins did better than Trump. If one can predictably target a category of voters that tend to vote Democratic more often than Republican for suppression, one can predictably ensure that Democrats overall receive less votes as a result, but there is no fixed locked in mechanical formula that can be applied without differentiation to all races.

[ananda]

59. This makes sense.

I was having a hard time believing that that many Biden
voters voted a split ticket on other races.

[sunonmars]

27. The mail ballots saved us, they couldn't switch the votes with a paper trail.

If any dodginess went on it was the GOP and the voting machines.

Lets keep mail ballots and count them as soon as they come in.

[SheltieLover]

32. Voters dropping off ballots in person saved our country!

Repukes projected wrong.

[sunonmars]

43. Yup, we need to expand paper trail voting fast.

Get rid of those machines

[SheltieLover]

45. Most definitely!

If you look at what TN Gov Bill Lee does, he is always 2-3 steps ahead of public releases of shitler's demands.

In TN, there is NO WAY to drop off an absentee ballot. Must be mailed, UPS, Fex-Ex'd.

Clueless when rule was implemented, but likely not a coincidence.

[sunonmars]

51. It was definitely calculated.

[bamagal62]

35. I've been saying this over and over.

[ananda]

36. I tend to agree with this..

that the downballot races were the most compromised.

I've been thinking that off and on for awhile.

[bucolic_frolic]

38. Trump telegraphed his intent, and of course used projection to blame others

Everyone knew what he was up to. It's hard - and stupid - to attempt to do devious things in full public view. People aren't that dumb.

[SheltieLover]

42. He & they must be prosecuted & punished to the max allowable limits

Coddling white collar criminals is how we got to this point!

[pazzyanne]

54. "People aren't that dumb." - correction

There are roughly 40% to 45% of Americans that ARE that dumb in our country. Trump recieving 70,000,000+ votes shows us the big problem, in more ways than one.

[judesedit]

47. Many votes were flipped on the electronic voting machines, also

Don't kid yourself. That's why they didn't want us voting on paper ballots. But, the sheer number of votes screwed them up so they couldn't get a handle on it. They probably thought they had it in the bag. They were wrong. And, as did I, many people took their paper ballots straight to the official drop boxes instead of mailing. Screwing with the PO was part of their undoing. Biden's legal team was on top of every angle, thank you very much. God blessed America, Americans, the world's inhabitants and the planet. Now, may every God bless Joe and Kamala as they face their tough job ahead to repair the damage done.

[Chainfire]

49. The right wing bunch on the forum I follow

use the following logic: Trump would have won a fair election, therefore, the election was stolen. They are digging deep to fabricate reasons for the defeat that involve everything except that the people voted Trump out. When I suggested that Biden got more votes than any presidential candidate in history, I was soundly rebuffed. Of course, I have been brainwashed by all of the liberal lies on the mainstream press. I have been called an idiot so often I am beginning to believe it. But at least today, I am a happy idiot.

The gun forum crowd simply can not accept the fact that Trump and especially Trumpism was rejected. They truly expected a red wave that would wash liberalism out to sea forever, and can not believe that that dream is gone.

One of the stories gaining legs over there is that in Mi., crooked voting machines counted Trump votes as Biden votes. 6000 votes in one small rural county..... and that the same software was used in all of the states that Biden won. Of course, someone's relative was a poll worker in that county and confirmed their version of events......

[Tom Rinaldo]

53. "someone's relative was a poll worker in that county and confirmed..."

Too bad that it's been confirmed that Republican operatives are willing to make up lies and fabricate stories about everything, hence the "I read it on the internet" standard of proof is their preferred method for "news" confirmation.

[Chainfire]

82. Many of these types of stories are accompanied by

"Someone I know", a cousin, a friend of a friend, or "everyone knows."

[UCmeNdc]

60. K&R

The electronic voting system is being manipulated. Investigate the voting systems and their vulnerabilities.

Go back to paper ballots!

[dlk]

63. We can't ignore the many issues with electronic voting machines and no paper backup

There is a reason for last-minute changes to software and voting rules. Republicans are firmly committed to minority rule and have been cheating and stealing elections for too long. In the future, they will only ramp up their efforts. We should have won the Senate and more state legislatures. Republicans have made it abundantly clear-they are waging a war against democracy. Granted, Democrats worked very hard in this election to get out the vote, but with unreliable electronic machines, even massive voter turnout will only take us part of the way.

[malaise]

64. Excellent post but don't expect to hear this on Morning Joe Scum

Rec

[dianaredwing]

66. Absolutely

I am not so sure about the mail fraud although I'm sure there is a degree of that, but this activity was going on before the massive mail in ballot push. I will treasure the images of the traitors who realized they would have to WORK to rig this election once people started to vote absentee.

I'm also willing to concede that a third of Americans are outright traitors and racists, but not half. That leaves 1/6 of the voters that are not 'shy' but 'phantom.' Someone needs to check the exit polls against what the results show and throw in a few comments by poll workers. My poll workers know me. Granted in some larger districts that may not be true, but I trust that these people are on to many kinds of fraud which means the fraud must have been committed off site.

It is not the Russians nor the Iranians nor the Chinese that we need to look at for vote interference, but the movers and shakers in the Republican Party who managed to somehow re-elect McConnell and others DESPITE massive grass roots displeasure with them.

They cheated, but they could not cheat enough. Look at the MASSIVE crowds that showed up for his inauguration, the crowing glory of the presidential win. Where were they? They weren't there because they don't exist. They are phantoms and the press and pundits who are promoting the lies about this 1/6 of the American population are culpable and all need to go for remedial classes at the Walter Cronkite School of Real Journalism. I don't fault the poor people who accepted Republican money for bit parts in this charade, but I do think that voting reform needs to be right up there after Covid and the environment to assure that such an awful abuse of the most basic Democratic right can not happen again. Think of our OUTRAGE should such activity be found in a third world country.

[Botany]

67. There is no way in the hell that Trump added 7,8242,297 votes to his 2016 #s

So after being the worst President in history and bleeding support he added 7.8 million votes?

In many places the early voting was so big that Trump and or the GOP candidate had to have pulled in
> 75% of all the vote on election day to get the #s they did.

There is a reason Mitch McConnell blocked election security actions.

Just like Florida's early voting in 2016 gave HRC a huge lead and Trump needed to win 80% of the
vote on election day which was impossible because you had some counties with large A.A. populations
that voted heavy on election day 2016.

62,980,160 2016 Trump total (which was dirty too)

70,804,457 2020 Trump total

We need an audit of both the 2016 and 2020 vote.
We need to get rid of those damn machines.
We need to get rid of the Electoral College.

AND yes you are right Tom Trump, Rove, & Dejoy were willing to destroy the post office in order to rig the
elections.

[Grins]

69. Repub on CBS Sunday Morning today

From Georgia. Said it “appeared to me” that the DEMOCRATS HELD BACK votes until they knew how many votes the D’s would need to win, and then release just enough to win.

Evidence? Getouttahere!

A crooked Republican Governor with a Republican Secretary of State in charge of elections and yet he thinks this happened. Well, if it did they deserve to win because the D’s are JUST THAT GOOD!

[Captain Zero]

83. Right, in Trumpotopia that makes Dems SMART BUSINESS PEOPLE, doesn't it?

nt

[mvd]

70. K&R

I’d really like to see DeJoy investigated by the Biden DoJ.

[crud]

71. I agree

It was not a surgical or targeted operation. It was blatant voter supression but not technically rigging. Just like they caused chaos at the polls through intentional incompetence, the same was done with the post office. They intentionally slowed the mail for the election. That is a fact. There was no other reason for the changes at the post office.

IMO, This should be investigated, and folks need to go to prison.

[AllaN01Bear]

75. i want to see things standardized (paper ballots ) and not

this mix mash of ways of doing things .

[Chainfire]

84. We bubble in a paper ballot

and insert it into the scanner. If there is a problem, it is spit back out. There is both a permanent paper trail as well as the electronic count. It is quick and simple. The only better system I could envision would to be to get together all 300,000,000 of us for a show of hands.

[Captain Zero]

85. Need analysis of swing state votes from smallest to largest precincts

to see if the larger precincts obey the laws of large numbers.
This has been done before by mathematicians at University of Kansas and they found huge anomalies in the largest counties and precincts, which is of course, where you could find the most votes to flip electronically.

I predict it will show up hugely this year because they had to also estimate the number of mail-ins they had to overcome with software flips on election day. They probably had to stop themselves from flipping enough to win it because it would have been obvious. I still think it will be obvious if this kind of analysis is done.

[Tom Rinaldo]

88. For immediate outcry purposes, we should focus on the mail sabotage now to counter Trump's lies BUT

I fully agree with you that this needs to be done. As you point out though, it has been done before. This is a matter that the mainstream media, even generally liberal outfits, always seem very hesitant to jump on, it always gets delegated to a page ten story. I suspect that is because there may be influential people inside the Democratic Party also, who fear the unintended consequences that might flow from undermining public confidence in the accuracy and security of our election system.

My fervent hope is that forces will be mobilized now, most likely out of public sight, to confront all threats to election security. If any serious threats have their origins overseas, I would not expect the Biden administration to fully spill the beans in public Instead I would expect rapid covert retaliation from our security forces under Biden, coupled with the secret delivery to any and all foreign adversaries of explicit threats of even worse potential consequences should attacks on our Democracy continue.

As to domestic threats, all levels of government controlled by Democrats need to harden our defenses now as step one. Again, I suspect Democrats may not want to sound a loud public alarm, but that should not prevent quieter effective actions. I have a hard time believing that after all of these years of using electronic voting machines with internet interfaces that no one on our side has gathered any evidence on malevolent actors, even if it might not in all cases include hot smoking guns. The bind we might be in could be that Republicans are less concerned than we are about how a wide spread public panic about the legitimacy of voting could impact their chances for continued rule relative to ours. We need to not only have the goods on those who would rig elections, but an effective and ready to deploy fix to election vulnerabilities that the public can quickly rally to. Whatever, the time has long passed when this matter can be remotely thought of as a back burner issue.

[scipan]

90. There just have to be consequences for

DeJoy and all the would be DeJoys out there. I fervently hope a Biden AG will prosecute him. We may find that the stomach for prosecutions will be a lot less than before the election, but it's necessary, so that there's less chance of it happening again.

And the way DeJoy was hired wasn't normal, but apparently nobody had the power to stop it. Time and again, the top of an organization is manipulated and the rank and file have no say.

[dalton99a]

91. Kick

[uponit7771]

92. K&R, ... but not all of it. Either we should ***NEVER*** believe polling in the US again or down

... ballot elections were tampered with period for the second year in a row.

The evidence is low aggregate MOE elections being off towards republicans again during a national election.

Its harder for this to happen during off year elections because there are too many happening at once that people would be paying close attention to.

There's no country in the world that would put up with how wrong the polling the US is for so long leaning towards one party.

[Stuart G]

93. KICK..

[Maraya1969]

94. And they are going to cheat in 4 years also. So we had better prepare now.

[AdamGG]

95. The rigging didn't completely fail

I don't see how Susan Collins won by 8 points, how Biden did worse in Texas than Hillary did, how Democrats lost seats in the House, how Trump carried Ohio by over 8 points when the polling had it even.

The COVID absentee ballots overwhelmed the rigging in the Presidential election, but they still influenced things downballot. There's no way that 10% of the USPS sorting machines were removed and it was just a random 10% that were affected. The effects would have been surgically studied and applied, much like gerrymandering.

[Blue Owl]

98. Who wouldn't want an investigation into this?

I think Donny thought he had it in the bag too, the way he exploded over AZ on Tues. night. Thank God for the mail-in ballots and the huge turnout that countered the cheating. This was, after all, Donald Fucking tRump, the biggest CHEATER in America...

[Blue Owl]

99. Who wouldn't want an investigation into this?

I think Donny thought he had it in the bag too, the way he exploded over AZ turning blue on Tues. night. Thank God for the mail-in ballots and the huge turnout that countered the cheating. This was, after all, Donald Fucking tRump, the biggest CHEATER in America...

[seta1950]

100. Exactly

My feeling is this like , 2016 was not a close election at all it was rigged , otherwise we would have got the senate too, I’m sure everyone saw the evil smile of moscow mitch.

[58Sunliner]

106. I think it was also. In a multitude of ways.

It struck me as strange that they were convinced they would be setting policy next year, with a stack of orders ready to fly. Who else would tell you that Social Security and Medicare were endangered and not worry about the fallout? It wasn't that he was going through the motions at his rallies, just babbling and making shit up. He knew it didn't matter if he babbled about little green men or talking rabbits. The rallies were to create plausibility. He kept saying it all along. There is going to be massive voter fraud. He thought he was clever. Such a typical narcissist.

[Tribetime]

107. K&R. Thank you

[Joinfortmill]

110. It's all going to be investigated

DeJoy will likely go to jail.

[Baltimike]

111. THIS is the best post of the entire election cycle. Spot on! nt