Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:17 AM
dlk (10,516 posts)
In future elections, I would like to see more emphasis on down ballot races.
The presidency is important. So are congress and the state legislatures.
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dlk | Nov 2020 | OP |
jimfields33 | Nov 2020 | #1 | |
dlk | Nov 2020 | #3 | |
jimfields33 | Nov 2020 | #9 | |
TwilightZone | Nov 2020 | #2 | |
dlk | Nov 2020 | #4 | |
H2O Man | Nov 2020 | #10 | |
dlk | Nov 2020 | #29 | |
TwilightZone | Nov 2020 | #12 | |
Blue_true | Nov 2020 | #22 | |
dlk | Nov 2020 | #23 | |
Blue_true | Nov 2020 | #34 | |
dlk | Nov 2020 | #31 | |
StarfishSaver | Nov 2020 | #27 | |
jimfields33 | Nov 2020 | #6 | |
TwilightZone | Nov 2020 | #14 | |
jimfields33 | Nov 2020 | #17 | |
dlk | Nov 2020 | #32 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Nov 2020 | #5 | |
dlk | Nov 2020 | #8 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Nov 2020 | #24 | |
LAS14 | Nov 2020 | #7 | |
femmocrat | Nov 2020 | #11 | |
dlk | Nov 2020 | #15 | |
Blue_true | Nov 2020 | #25 | |
StarfishSaver | Nov 2020 | #28 | |
dlk | Nov 2020 | #33 | |
StarfishSaver | Nov 2020 | #35 | |
Blue_true | Nov 2020 | #13 | |
dlk | Nov 2020 | #19 | |
KentuckyWoman | Nov 2020 | #16 | |
dlk | Nov 2020 | #20 | |
GoneOffShore | Nov 2020 | #18 | |
dlk | Nov 2020 | #21 | |
GoneOffShore | Nov 2020 | #36 | |
Etherealoc1 | Nov 2020 | #26 | |
dlk | Nov 2020 | #30 | |
left-of-center2012 | Nov 2020 | #37 | |
dlk | Nov 2020 | #38 | |
left-of-center2012 | Nov 2020 | #39 |
Response to dlk (Original post)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:19 AM
jimfields33 (13,093 posts)
1. True.
Losing state legislative seats and a governor sucks especially during redistricting year. The house is going to be closer and the senate a tie most likely. Thankfully kamala will break ties IF every democratic senator agrees to changing to 50 votes.
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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #1)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:21 AM
dlk (10,516 posts)
3. Sometimes, I think we get tunnel vision
States, especially, have considerable power when it comes to elections.
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Response to dlk (Original post)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:21 AM
TwilightZone (21,874 posts)
2. There was a ton of emphasis on down ballot races.
The state houses of several states, including Texas and Florida, were heavily targeted this cycle, and some of the highest-profile, expensive races ever took place at the Congressional level.
Could there have been more? Probably, though districts were targeted specifically because it was believed they were flippable and they were key to regaining state houses. It remains to be seen why so many voters seem to have split tickets, especially in places like Maine. |
Response to TwilightZone (Reply #2)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:22 AM
dlk (10,516 posts)
4. Some of my lifelong, dedicated Democratic friends would beg to differ
It needs to come from the top of the ballot.
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Response to dlk (Reply #4)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:26 AM
H2O Man (71,546 posts)
10. It is true that,
for example, the "mid-term" elections usually have lower numbers than in the years of presidential elections. At the same time, there are lots of us who work equally hard -- at the very least -- on local and state elections.
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Response to H2O Man (Reply #10)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:51 AM
dlk (10,516 posts)
29. I'm not discounting the hard work of regular Democrats on local races
There also needs to be more support for down ballot races from the top of the ticket. They could easily mention their importance and with their national presence, it would have an impact.
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Response to dlk (Reply #4)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:29 AM
TwilightZone (21,874 posts)
12. Explain why Collins won.
There was plenty of emphasis on that race, and Biden is going to win the state easily.
Why were so many voters splitting tickets? Emphasis isn't necessarily the end all solution. We need to understand why we won states at the top of the ticket but lost high-profile races like hers down-ballot. It's not because it didn't get enough emphasis. Similar situation in races like the Wendy Davis and MJ Hegar campaigns in Texas. They got national attention, millions were spent, their opponents were perceived (perhaps incorrectly) as vulnerable and in the end, it wasn't even close in either case. We also spent millions on targeted state house races in TX, MI, FL, and others that were considered flippable, mostly to no avail. |
Response to TwilightZone (Reply #12)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:43 AM
Blue_true (31,261 posts)
22. In the last month of the election, I became concerned about the swelling enthusiasm
that I saw going toward the Trump campaign. I started to see flashbacks to 2016. Trump was holding 3, sometimes 4 rallies a day, our side was doing maybe 1 a day, very infrequently 2. I really believe that shift in enthusiasm and the republican ground game using actual people to knock on doors, made this race a lot closer than it should have been, some marginally Biden people shifted toward Trump in those closing weeks, and I believe that hurt down ballot races significantly. We can’t have a repeat of the Obama Presidency, where national races were won easily while Congressional, state level and local democrats were wiped out - in the end, that makes making needed change very difficult and empowers people like Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell to throw roadblocks up.
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Response to Blue_true (Reply #22)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:45 AM
dlk (10,516 posts)
23. It can't be overlooked that Trump received so much free, in kind, air time for his campaign
It all adds up.
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Response to dlk (Reply #23)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:59 AM
Blue_true (31,261 posts)
34. A President, even one as lousy as Trump is going to get free airtime.
All that person has to do is imply that something important would be said, as Trump did regularly. In addition, Trump got attention due to his unpredictability, there was never certainty about how he would act or what he would say. When a car is on fire on the side of the road, people don’t just breeze by in their cars, they slow down to look - the Trump campaign had the element of impending psychosis constantly following it, that drew media, which in term got him on local news.
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #12)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:54 AM
dlk (10,516 posts)
31. I think we may have underestimated how very conservative Maine actually is
Rick Wilson has said that outside of Portland, Maine is another Alabama.
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Response to dlk (Reply #4)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:48 AM
StarfishSaver (18,486 posts)
27. There are thousands of down ballot races - the top of the ticket can't focus on those
That has to be done by state and local parties.
From what I've seen, there was a lot of emphasis on the state, county and local races. They just don't get as much coverage nationally, which makes sense, but they do get a lot of of local coverage. |
Response to TwilightZone (Reply #2)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:25 AM
jimfields33 (13,093 posts)
6. I think a lot of republicans split ticket
Voted Biden and rest repugs. 3 neighbors did. Anecdotal I know.
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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #6)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:32 AM
TwilightZone (21,874 posts)
14. Definitely happened in Maine.
Biden's going to win it easily, yet Collins won her race easily, as well. We didn't lose because of a lack of emphasis - there was more emphasis on that race than any race in recent memory.
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #14)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:34 AM
jimfields33 (13,093 posts)
17. I'd say out of every race, Collins was a shock to me
I thought she would go down even more so then Senator kelly winning.
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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #6)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:56 AM
dlk (10,516 posts)
32. Republicans get in line
We can’t underestimate that fact which makes emphasizing the importance of down ballot races all the more critical.
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Response to dlk (Original post)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:24 AM
WhiskeyGrinder (20,107 posts)
5. From whom?
Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #5)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:25 AM
dlk (10,516 posts)
8. Biden, Harris, and every Democrat running for senator and congressperson
Also, every spokesperson and in ads.
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Response to dlk (Reply #8)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:46 AM
WhiskeyGrinder (20,107 posts)
24. I'm still not clear on what this would look like. Everyone talking about voting a straight ticket?
Response to dlk (Original post)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:25 AM
LAS14 (13,229 posts)
7. Me too!!!! I invite you, and everyone to join my modest campaign.
Response to dlk (Original post)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:28 AM
femmocrat (28,392 posts)
11. I agree!
Our down ballot races were a disappointment, most going republican while Biden won our state. How did we lose those House and state legislature seats?
We have to buckle down now and work for Ossoff and Warnock so we can get rid of Mitch in January! |
Response to femmocrat (Reply #11)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:34 AM
dlk (10,516 posts)
15. I think if more attention has been focused on the need to win these races, we might have done better
Something happened and going forward, we need to figure out how to overcome this type of split result. Change can’t happen with one hand tied behind our back.
Yes, to working in Georgia! I’m concerned about the integrity of their electronic machines and not sure the most effective way to address it |
Response to dlk (Reply #15)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:47 AM
Blue_true (31,261 posts)
25. We saw the split result all during the Obama Presidency.
And although wonderful things were done during that Presidency, they were not drilled into concrete because we had lost so many state houses, legislatures and Congressional seats.
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Response to dlk (Reply #15)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:50 AM
StarfishSaver (18,486 posts)
28. People on the national ticket talking about local races is a waste of time and not effective
That needs to be done at the state and local level and that requires people getting involved in their communities.
Too many of us expect the national candidates and parties to do all the work when much of the work should be done by us in our own backyards. |
Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #28)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:57 AM
dlk (10,516 posts)
33. Down ballot races include the Senate and the House
I don’t believe messaging their importance is a waste of time. Without a majority in the Senate and House, we can’t get anything done.
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Response to dlk (Reply #33)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 12:33 PM
StarfishSaver (18,486 posts)
35. You think no one paid attention to the Senate and House races at the national level?
Response to dlk (Original post)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:31 AM
Blue_true (31,261 posts)
13. I agree. One feeling that I had all through the race was that as a party, we
were not using the massive amount of small donor money that was raised, it should have been coordinated better, IMO. What I mean is that locals from the state level to city council should have consistently been featured at rallies, and there should have been a stronger and more diverse ground game than was done. Trump people were out knocking on doors, although we believe in the power of wearing masks and practicing intelligent social distancing, we stayed in our bunkers basically and relied on bought media to deliver our message.
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Response to Blue_true (Reply #13)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:36 AM
dlk (10,516 posts)
19. Agreed. There is room for improvement in our ground game
Phone banking is all good and well but nothing is better than personal contact.
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Response to dlk (Original post)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:34 AM
KentuckyWoman (6,176 posts)
16. I saw a huge effort for down ballot races.
Yes, the presidency got the national media coverage but in my market the key races were WELL covered.
A huge presidential decision actually helped in the efforts toward getting votes down ballot. Not enough to flip any seats because unfortunately Ohio and Kentucky both I believe are getting "redder". I could be wrong, but I believe some of this is because enough people of color are moving out of this part of the country. Quite frankly it's leaving a void of educated people and leaving behind too many who think the Bible is the only ejukation they need. |
Response to KentuckyWoman (Reply #16)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:37 AM
dlk (10,516 posts)
20. I'm glad you saw that effort
I don’t think it wasn’t the same all across the country. That’s why this message has to be given from the top, so everyone hears it.
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Response to dlk (Original post)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:35 AM
GoneOffShore (16,911 posts)
18. Tme to bring back the 50 state strategy.
Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #18)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:40 AM
dlk (10,516 posts)
21. We need to improve our strategy
Our country can’t survive with the continued minority rule in so many areas.
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Response to dlk (Reply #21)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 01:39 PM
GoneOffShore (16,911 posts)
36. Absolutely. And the crazy conspiracies have to be countered.
Response to dlk (Original post)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:48 AM
Etherealoc1 (252 posts)
26. I agree
Some Republicans voted for Biden but chose Republicans down ticket. Still the margin for the Senate race should have been closer. |
Response to Etherealoc1 (Reply #26)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 11:53 AM
dlk (10,516 posts)
30. It's a given Republicans will cheat
However, I strongly believe if Biden/Harris had made more mention of the importance of down ballot races, it would have made a difference.
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Response to dlk (Original post)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 01:42 PM
left-of-center2012 (34,195 posts)
37. Zillions of emphasis here in New Mexico
Tons of TV coverage, televised debates, and news coverage of 'down ballot', ballot initiatives, etc.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #37)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 02:46 PM
dlk (10,516 posts)
38. That's really great
I’m thinking that’s what was needed on a national basis, from the top.
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Response to dlk (Reply #38)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 03:45 PM
left-of-center2012 (34,195 posts)
39. As someone once said ...
"All politics is local."
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