Biden won because he recognized that California was not the same as Georgia

[still_one]

That is why Stacy Abrams and Jay Clyburn were supporting Biden before anyone else

What I am saying is that the message couldn't be too far to the left or the right

[bigtree]

1. I don't know what that means

...his message was the same for California and Georgia.

[still_one]

2. It means the message needed to be in the middle. It couldn't be too far to the left or

the right

[bigtree]

6. I think that's just nonsense

...it's really a slam on Californians, as if what they want and need is markedly different from what Georgians want and need.

More than that, it suggests that there's something wrong with the expectations of voters who don't blanch at planks of our Democratic agenda like red state residents. And let's not pretend that there aren't voters in Georgia who want and deserve what Californians need and desire.

[still_one]

8. Don't tell me I am "slamming" California. I AM A CALIFORNIAN, and am entitled to my

opinion.

We have areas in California that are quite red. The San Joaquin valley and orange county as an example

Fortunately, in the large populated areas where I live, Bay Area, and LA outnumber those areas

As Barbara Boxer said to a rally I attended several years ago, California is actually a very independent state

This is evidenced by the Governors we have had

[bigtree]

11. your premise suggests something wrong with California's liberalism

...and something so precious about Georgia conservatism that it needs defending.

I disagree.

Red state Democrats should recognize the results of this election where the vast majority of Americans who voted for Joe Biden did not materialize from their communities, but from districts which are decidedly less conservative.

Moderate, red states need to get a grip the fact that most Americans live in blue 'coastal' states. What moderates reject about liberalism has nothing to do with geography, and everything to do with self-interest. It's just not sacrosanct enough for any progressive in a blue state to give a damn about if it falls outside of basic human rights, safety, or common decency.

[still_one]

14. Thank-you for the clarification. I took it the wrong way. That wasn't what I meant

I would never defend some of the red state conservatism, which borders in many cases on outright racism. Unfortunately, that also occurs in some areas of blue states also

[Beakybird]

3. Probably means that to win both, he couldn't just pitch to liberals.

[still_one]

4. I am going to edit the OP, but what I was saying was the message couldn't be too far to the

left or right

[JI7]

5. Even California rejected a bunch of things like rent control, no cash bail , restoring affirmative

action ..............

[still_one]

9. We screwed up in California on Proposition 8 years ago on same sex marriage, though

I believe it was mostly due because it was written very badly

A no vote mean yes for same sex marriage, and a yes vote meant no for same sex marriage

Just idiocy who was involved in writing that proposition

[stopbush]

7. CA always delivers its 55 EVs to the D candidate. We are the largest AND most-reliable

block of EVs out there. We are the primary FUNDERS of D candidates. We provide a huge block of reliable and progressive Congresspeople. AND YET, if any group of D voters is taken for granted, it is CA Dems.

People were up in arms that our primaries were moved up this year. Tough shit. It felt great to cast a primary vote that actually meant something.

If there is ever an election where Ds are sweating out the results from CA, well, there would be nothing to sweat. Because if CA going D was in question, it would mean that the rest of the country was going overwhelmingly R.

[still_one]

10. I know, but we also had some atrocious governors, Reagan being the worst

[stopbush]

12. Reagan, Pete Wilson, Ah-nold. Worthless, all.

Ah-nold had the chance to sign a public option health bill and vetoed it. He later said he regretted that decision and would sign a bill if it came up again, but it never did.

[still_one]

13. Yes, and in my view we have messed up on some propositions that should have passed

and didn't

[stopbush]

15. CA Props need to go away. The legislature should do its job.

Voting “no” on props is the safe option - if people aren’t sure what the prop proposes, voting no leaves well enough alone. And most voters don’t bother researching the props - it’s a matter of whose TV ads work best.

Most props are brought by Rs looking to do and end run around the D-controlled state legislature.

[still_one]

16. I tend agree, but I don't think that will happen. I had an Uncle who had the view that

propositions were legislation by mob rule

While on the surface propositions sound attractive because of the difficulty of passing things through the legislative process, but propositions are a double edged sword. Not only are there progressive propositions, but also quite draconian ones

I remember one where the republicans were trying to get our electoral college votes distributed on a proportional basis during a general election. It failed badly fortunately

The only way I would even consider something like that is if every state was that way