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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJoe Manchin goes on Fox News, declares opposition to ending filibuster or expanding Supreme Court
Even if Democrats sweep Georgia. Sigh...he even uses Republican framing, he is going to be a pain.
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elleng
(130,727 posts)helpisontheway
(5,004 posts)dalton99a
(81,391 posts)texasfiddler
(1,989 posts)Polybius
(15,334 posts)Had he moved to the right, he would have had a much better chance. But alas, he stood strong and didn't back down from his beliefs, so I can't go too hard on him.
In It to Win It
(8,224 posts)I want more of them but damn are they hard to work with
Amishman
(5,554 posts)He knows how to play the game and preserve himself.
We also need to give him the leeway to do shit like this, I could easily see him being our Jim Jeffords
In It to Win It
(8,224 posts)We have no choice but to give him leeway. We need all the numbers we can get.
Karadeniz
(22,468 posts)Inauguration to maintain a policy of complete non cooperation would seem to render Manchin's comments obsolete.
doc03
(35,295 posts)criticize Democrats.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,417 posts)Often, criticism is necessary.
dustyscamp
(2,223 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)who constantly ratfuck us.
Crunchy Frog
(26,578 posts)We're not allowed to attack them, but that is not the same thing as criticizing.
doc03
(35,295 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,578 posts)I kind of wish they would go back to using moderators.
Polybius
(15,334 posts)You can't bash him, but saying why you disagree is fine.
sfstaxprep
(9,998 posts)I had heard that the Vice President is not allowed to break a tie for either of those issues, so the Democrats would need 51, in addition to any Democratic Senators like Manchin who won't go along with the change(s).
A lopsided Supreme Court is something we may have to live with for a long, long time, unfortunately, and it appears getting rid of the filibuster won't be any easier.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,548 posts)The filibuster is related to the rules of the senate, so not sure what Harriss role is in that case.
In It to Win It
(8,224 posts)I'm open to being corrected on that.
tritsofme
(17,370 posts)The VP would still break a tie on a procedural vote.
sfstaxprep
(9,998 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)of the Senate, controls the Senate.
The VP also breaks all tie votes. Presumably Harris would be the "aye" vote to enact the administration's bills.
Statistical
(19,264 posts)Still I think it is a moot point.
Thrill
(19,178 posts).
brooklynite
(94,333 posts)tritsofme
(17,370 posts)Mike Niendorff
(3,456 posts)After the next 2 years of right-wing insanity in the Trump Courts, I think even Joe Manchin will be singing a different tune.
It's gonna be that bad.
MDN
sfstaxprep
(9,998 posts)Polybius
(15,334 posts)So it would have to be another bad decision.
Mike Niendorff
(3,456 posts)And it'll be more than one.
MDN
Fiendish Thingy
(15,548 posts)No committees assignments, only floor votes.
If theres any justice...
tritsofme
(17,370 posts)and join them in the majority.
sfstaxprep
(9,998 posts)He would just vote with them occasionally.
tritsofme
(17,370 posts)Why would he sit back and let that happen, when Mitch could offer him the chairmanship and committee roster of his choice?
Imperialism Inc.
(2,495 posts)LuvNewcastle
(16,834 posts)Submariner
(12,497 posts)with vastly overpriced epipens, so it just shows how we have to lower ourselves and look the other way to hold a congressional seat. Sad.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,392 posts)I am not surprised by this (I never thought that he would)
Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)Mr. Sparkle
(2,928 posts)and its only been a few days since the election.
Ace Rothstein
(3,144 posts)We needed to end up at 52-53 votes on our side to get these things passed.
LostOne4Ever
(9,286 posts)We need two justices at the very least to return things to the center!
This isnt right! The Republicans stole Obamas court pick and now we are stuck like this even if we get the senate!
/sobbing
radius777
(3,635 posts)and this is how he wins in a deep red seat. It is what is is. Sinema and Kelly likely would take the same position even though AZ is a purple state, it is on a knife's edge. If we win both GA seats those guys likely would take the same position. We need more solid blue seats and/or the purple states to trend bluer (like CO and VA did) to really get things done.
tritsofme
(17,370 posts)to maximize his leverage. When he says everything is on the table it means less now.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)The Fox News Democrats will be the death of us.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)Where was that in the past 12 years?
melman
(7,681 posts)and this guy goes on FOX to talk about the importance of bipartisanship?
JFC
DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)Make Manchin part of the commission and the review process. That invests Manchin in the process and makes it much harder to oppose whatever recommendations are made.
Poiuyt
(18,114 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)if Dems get control, then I think court reform will happen.
Poiuyt
(18,114 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,578 posts)BGBD
(3,282 posts)Would it be easier to pick up those two seats if we campaign on ending the filibuster and packing the court? That's probably why we don't have the senate already. The Republicans are going to run the entire campaign on those two issues and say we are too extreme to have unified power. Manchin eases that because moderate Georgians will look at this statement and say that it's safe to put democrats in power because they won't be able to do the stuff that scares them.
JI7
(89,239 posts)wishstar
(5,268 posts)by making it clear that voting for Dems in Georgia will not cause radical shift.