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Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:03 AM

Officials at law firms representing Trump are balking at his efforts to overturn elections: report

On Monday, The New York Times reported that senior officials at multiple law firms representing President Donald Trump’s campaign in their lawsuits against the election counts are increasingly uncomfortable with their legal teams being used to advance arguments to undermine the legitimacy of the vote.

“Some senior lawyers at Jones Day, one of the country’s largest law firms, are worried that it is advancing arguments that lack evidence and may be helping Mr. Trump and his allies undermine the integrity of American elections, according to interviews with nine partners and associates, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect their jobs,” reported Jessica Silver-Greenberg, Rachel Abrams, and David Enrich. “At another large firm, Porter Wright Morris & Arthur, based in Columbus, Ohio, lawyers have held internal meetings to voice similar concerns about their firm’s election-related work for Mr. Trump and the Republican Party, according to people at the firm. At least one lawyer quit in protest.”

Trump has had ties to Jones Day going back years, with one of the legal partners, Don McGahn, going on to serve as the president’s White House counsel and an adviser in his judicial appointments.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/officials-at-law-firms-representing-trump-are-balking-at-his-efforts-to-overturn-elections-report/

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Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2020 OP
malaise Nov 2020 #1
no_hypocrisy Nov 2020 #4
Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2020 #5
malaise Nov 2020 #6
Hugin Nov 2020 #7
StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #11
JHB Nov 2020 #2
malaise Nov 2020 #8
Hugin Nov 2020 #10
StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #13
no_hypocrisy Nov 2020 #3
malaise Nov 2020 #9
Hugin Nov 2020 #14
Gothmog Nov 2020 #12
malaise Nov 2020 #15
no_hypocrisy Nov 2020 #17
Gothmog Nov 2020 #18
soothsayer Nov 2020 #16

Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:05 AM

1. Serious question

If lawyers present a fraudulent case, can they be penalized?

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Response to malaise (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:10 AM

4. Yes, please refer to my post below.

Frivolous lawsuits is the tip of the iceberg. Do a Google.

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Response to malaise (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:11 AM

5. I found this:

Under Penal Code 132 PC, both the act of offering false evidence and that of preparing false evidence make up the crime. It is characterized by a criminal intent to knowingly present the evidence and also to prepare false evidence to be used in a legal proceeding.

Each is classified as a felony and they carry serious consequences. Despite the classification as a felony, it is important to note that the level of the legal proceedings or its seriousness is relevant to the classification of the charge. The effect of presenting or preparing false evidence is damaging to the court system, which accounts for the seriousness of the offense.

This crime is also closely related to destroying evidence, planting evidence, forgery, and perjury.

https://www.criminallawyersandiego.com/crimes-police-government/giving-false-evidence/

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:15 AM

6. Thanks for this

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Response to malaise (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:15 AM

7. Not really.

Frivolous lawsuits are a big part of their revenue.

Trump and other grifters & criminals have been taking advantage of this situation forever.

As long as they have money they will suffer no consequences. Particularly, when it involves white collar atrocities. Delay. Delay. Delay. Appeal. Appeal. Appeal. Motion after motion. Ad nauseam.

The only reason some have ever faced consequences is because they've turned themselves in.

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Response to malaise (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:20 AM

11. Yes.

Rule 11 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure provide for attorneys to be sanctioned for filing pleadings "presented for any improper purpose, such as to harass, cause unnecessary delay, or needlessly increase the cost of litigation," are not "warranted by existing law or by a nonfrivolous argument for extending, modifying, or reversing existing law or for establishing new law," or do not "have evidentiary support."

Sanctions can include fines and payment of the opposing party's attorney fees.

These lawyers are treading into Rule 11 territory.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:09 AM

2. Another serious question

Do they really expect to get paid?

The farther they stick their neck out for him, the less likely it's going to happen.

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Response to JHB (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:16 AM

8. Hahahahha

We know better - they call him King Con for a reason

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Response to JHB (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:18 AM

10. I keep waiting for that shoe to get dropped.

But, right now... Since McGahn is involved. I think it's a survival strategy and they're all in it together. Similar to kompromat.

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Response to JHB (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:20 AM

13. They surely got their retainers up front

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:09 AM

3. Some reasons why:

1) Ruining the credibility and reputation of those esteemed law firms. It isn't about "Justice."

2) Any lawyer who files a cause of action/lawsuit without merit and/or evidence faces the sanctions of filing a frivolous lawsuit. No attorney wants that on his/her resume. Not only is the action dismissed, but the losing side has to pay treble damages (damages multiplied by three) to the other side, plus attorneys fees for the other side, and court costs.

3) The filing attorney could face sanctions before their bar and/or face ethics charges.


My guess is that they forced a hefty retainer as Trump is known not to pay his bills. Even if it's $1 million, we all know that if the law firms don't deliver the goods, Trump will sue them for legal malpractice. Even if they can survive that challenge, it still doesn't look good for the reputations of the attorneys and their law firms.

IOW, LOSE/LOSE.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:16 AM

9. Thank you

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:24 AM

14. There's also the "Don't Kill Royalty" delimma.

The theory being that once the unwashed masses see how easily they die like anyone else, there will be no stopping them from killing them all.

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:20 AM

12. Jones Day is going to feel some heat

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:26 AM

15. Good point

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:46 AM

17. Generally, I would discourage retribution against attorneys.

Ethics Rules demand that a legal advocate be able to represent any client for any position, no matter his/her/their personal sentiments about the client and/or their position as long as one's personal feelings don't interfere with that representation. Example: If I'm an attorney who is pro-choice and the client is suing to close an abortion clinic, as long as I can put my personal feelings aside and be a fair advocate, there is no reason why I can't represent that client. This is what allowed Clarence Darrow to represent both railroad trusts as well as the proverbial Scum of the Earth.

Now, that being said, looking at the present situation, an attorney at the law firms faces a choice: Quit your firm or represent the client. When a partner assigns a client/case to you, you'd better be able to prove why you can't represent that client -- and most reasons why not fail. (Example: conflict of interest like the client is your brother-in-law or a former client in another matter)

Otherwise, essentially the only thing one can do to protest the law firm taking a case like this is not to engage such law firm for any of your matters in the future. Unless you can lodge an ethics violation, there really isn't much one can do if you're not the client.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 10, 2020, 10:39 AM

18. You need evidence or facts to bring a lawsuit under code of ethics

This is from a good attorney at the Brennan Center

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Response to Roisin Ni Fiachra (Original post)

Tue Nov 10, 2020, 09:26 AM

16. Many people are saying my lawyers should bill me in advance because I might stiffing them. True! But


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Many people are saying my lawyers should bill me in advance because I might stiffing them. True! But Rudy works for me "Pro Boner" in exchange for his membership in the #AgingPervertClub, easy access to foreign criminals & the chance to get Borat's daughter alone in a hotel room.

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