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soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 03:06 PM Nov 2020

As pressure from Trump and the @GOP grows, state legislators in PA and WI are debating throwing out


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Max Burns
@themaxburns
As pressure from Trump and the @GOP grows, state legislators in PA and WI are debating throwing out the entire election and just awarding their electoral votes to Trump.

Andrew Prokop
@awprokop
Replying to @awprokop
A Wisconsin GOP state legislator has already endorsed this idea.

"You either have to toss this election out and have a whole new election, or we have our delegates to the Electoral College vote for the person they think legitimately should have won"

https://wisn.com/article/gop-lawmaker-suggests-wisconsin-electors-choose-presidential-winner/34622122
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As pressure from Trump and the @GOP grows, state legislators in PA and WI are debating throwing out (Original Post) soothsayer Nov 2020 OP
OMG. n/t EndlessWire Nov 2020 #1
Yeah they had press conf -19 legislator GOP dimwits in Pa apcalc Nov 2020 #2
Pa puts him over 270 Fullduplexxx Nov 2020 #5
This kind of article should be thrown on the grift pile. 11cents Nov 2020 #3
Yes Bradshaw3 Nov 2020 #21
so, uh, where is the pushback? RussBLib Nov 2020 #4
To be clear, this is a far-fetched scenario. It's very unlikely to actually happen. Things look to b soothsayer Nov 2020 #6
Hope we have access to a sturdy yard arm available... Moostache Nov 2020 #7
Legislature rso Nov 2020 #8
If you believe this is a possibility Ridin4Biden Nov 2020 #9
TY..this is just such nonsense. Repeating what trumpers are saying & not posting the facts Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #12
Thank you Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #17
I agree to a point but... BlueNIndiana Nov 2020 #18
19 rowdy lawmakers in PA out of 203 this is not getting ready to throw out the electors.. Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #10
Thank you. Bleacher Creature Nov 2020 #14
Yes, thank you. And in Wisconsin it was ONE mouthing off. State legislators are worse than yellowcanine Nov 2020 #15
This is GOP fantasyland. BusyBeingBest Nov 2020 #11
Yeah that's not happening budkin Nov 2020 #13
There's this old saying about feces being propelled toward an air moving device. KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2020 #16
NOT happening. They'd have to prove not "in normal circumstances". NOT gonna happen Roland99 Nov 2020 #19
Damage is already being done Midnightwalk Nov 2020 #20
PA AG says it ain't happening, because it cannot happen. Hassler Nov 2020 #22
More gop DT lap dancing. lindysalsagal Nov 2020 #23
There will be civil conflict if they try it. roamer65 Nov 2020 #24

apcalc

(4,463 posts)
2. Yeah they had press conf -19 legislator GOP dimwits in Pa
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 03:08 PM
Nov 2020

Can’t do it in Pa- gov and sec of state control that.

Dunno about Wis.

Bradshaw3

(7,513 posts)
21. Yes
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 04:23 PM
Nov 2020

I wish we had a button for that. These asshole repubs suggesting things like this get a kick out of freaking some Dems out. We don't need to give them more attention.

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
6. To be clear, this is a far-fetched scenario. It's very unlikely to actually happen. Things look to b
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 03:11 PM
Nov 2020

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ndrew Prokop
@awprokop
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Nov 11, 2020
Replying to @awprokop
Still, there does not currently appear to be a solid effort on the part of any GOP legislature to replace Biden electors with Trump electors.

But we'll have to see if that changes in the weeks ahead as the pressure rises.

Andrew Prokop
@awprokop
Even if legislatures do decide to make a play, there's a problem — WI, PA, & MI have Dem governors who will veto any attempt to change state laws.

But there's also a potential solution: the Gorsuch/Kav theory that state legislatures, not governors, call the shots in elections

To be clear, this is a far-fetched scenario. It's very unlikely to actually happen. Things look to be on track for Biden.

But again, the two things to watch in the coming weeks are: whether states stay on track for certifications, and how GOP legislators talk about electors

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
7. Hope we have access to a sturdy yard arm available...
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 03:11 PM
Nov 2020

Because this is treasonous, and hangings will be the order of the day for those who thwart the will of the electorate through such illicit means.

Fair warning.

 

BlueNIndiana

(94 posts)
18. I agree to a point but...
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 03:49 PM
Nov 2020

I remember when Trump came into office the democrats and others said he will have checks and balances on him.

Trump can not do this, Trump can not do that.

Trump has done many things that people said he couldn't do or was against the law and the GOP enabled him.

The law may say they can not do it but doesn't mean they will not try, if they can get enough votes to do it. I dare say even if they fall short of votes they will "stand up electors" to challenge the election.

Enormous pressure is being put on these states in the coming days if not weeks to overturn this election or at least try to.

If the GOP at the national level continues to stay silent and lets this brew an gain momentum.

None of these lawsuits are aimed at overturning anything via the courts its just trying to delay and grant some form of cover for the GOP to try and circumnavigate the will of the people.

The GOP is not a political party any more it works at the behest of Donald Trump.

Former Secretary od defense Cohen just today on MSNBC said the GOP no longer believes in the rule of law but just believe in ruling.

Trump and the GOP want to take this to the brink, they are on the cusp of absolute power in this country and destroying whats left of democracy in the process is ok by them.

I do not care what the "Law" says they can and can not do.

I truly believe that the GOP who control the legislature in swing states will attempt to do this, period.

This is an antempted Coup plain and simple.

ead:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214531871



Thekaspervote

(32,755 posts)
10. 19 rowdy lawmakers in PA out of 203 this is not getting ready to throw out the electors..
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 03:17 PM
Nov 2020


On Friday, State Senate majority leader Jake Corman said Republicans will honor the wishes of the voters.

“Our role is to monitor the process, our role is to provide oversight and call out questions where they might need asked, but certainly want to stay with the tradition of the popular vote winner getting the electors,” Senator Corman said.

Corman says the vote is certified by the state and the governor appoints the electors.

He says the legislature will follow the law.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/11/10/pa-electoral-college-popular-vote/

Wisconsin:
They would effectively be nullifying the votes of the 3 million plus Wisconsinites," UW-Madison Law Professor Rob Yablon said.

He added that is not allowed under current Wisconsin law and can't see the Legislature trying to change it.

"The electors that were chosen on Election Day are legally bound to vote for the candidate that won the popular vote in Wisconsin," Yablon said. "And if the Legislature attempted to appoint its own substitute slate of electors, it's hard to see how that would be legitimate."

The Wisconsin Elections Commission agreed.

"In Wisconsin, the state Legislature plays no role in certifying or deciding which slate of electors vote in the Electoral College," the commission said in a statement to WISN 12 News.

Those electors "must vote for the candidates of the party that nominated them."
https://www.wisn.com/article/gop-lawmaker-suggests-wisconsin-electors-choose-presidential-winner/34622122#

Can we please stop!

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
14. Thank you.
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 03:21 PM
Nov 2020

This is basically the Louie Gohmerts of the PA and WI legislatures. It's not going to happen, and even if it did, it would never survive in even the most RW courts.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
15. Yes, thank you. And in Wisconsin it was ONE mouthing off. State legislators are worse than
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 03:25 PM
Nov 2020

Congress critters for nutbaggery.

BusyBeingBest

(8,052 posts)
11. This is GOP fantasyland.
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 03:19 PM
Nov 2020

If they arbitrarily overrule the will of the people in those states as a gift to the Orange Emperor-Clown, there will be civil unrest that will destabilize the US and cripple the economy, and they know it.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
16. There's this old saying about feces being propelled toward an air moving device.
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 03:28 PM
Nov 2020
tRump's people are trying to destroy the remaining faith the people have in our electoral system.

This is just another shot at doing that so states can pass additional laws and regulations to quench American voting rights and access.

JMHO.......

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
19. NOT happening. They'd have to prove not "in normal circumstances". NOT gonna happen
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 03:53 PM
Nov 2020

re: PA Electors and the legislature....
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214531188


Esp considering this:



Today in court, a Pennsylvania judge asked a lawyer for Trump point-blank whether he was alleging fraud.
(Full transcript here https://democracydocket.com/cases/montgomery-county-board-of-elections-vote-count/)

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
20. Damage is already being done
Wed Nov 11, 2020, 04:23 PM
Nov 2020

Overturning the election is unlikely and would result in violence.

Even if and when the President elect Biden is sworn in, damage has been done.

We are more suspicious and resentful of republicans and that is understandable. I didn’t think I could hold them in more contempt but they keep becoming more contemptible.

Faith in fair elections is being shattered. Fairly so amongst us. Republicans are convincing themselves of the lie that they were cheated. That counting all votes is somehow fraudulent.

Motivations beyond a coup are driving enthusiasm for the senate run offs and midterms.

There will be violence from rage incidents, clashes at protests and domestic terrorism. That’s already baked into the next several years. The longer these false claims of fraud go on the worse it will get

lindysalsagal

(20,670 posts)
23. More gop DT lap dancing.
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 02:15 AM
Nov 2020

Nobody's debating anything about throwing out the vote.

But you can still send money to DT to help!

Listen, give it to me, and I'll send it in to maraleggo.

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