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Max Burns
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As pressure from Trump and the @GOP grows, state legislators in PA and WI are debating throwing out the entire election and just awarding their electoral votes to Trump.
Andrew Prokop
@awprokop
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A Wisconsin GOP state legislator has already endorsed this idea.
"You either have to toss this election out and have a whole new election, or we have our delegates to the Electoral College vote for the person they think legitimately should have won"
https://wisn.com/article/gop-lawmaker-suggests-wisconsin-electors-choose-presidential-winner/34622122
EndlessWire
(6,513 posts)apcalc
(4,463 posts)Cant do it in Pa- gov and sec of state control that.
Dunno about Wis.
Fullduplexxx
(7,857 posts)11cents
(1,777 posts)"Scaring Democrats for clicks."
I wish we had a button for that. These asshole repubs suggesting things like this get a kick out of freaking some Dems out. We don't need to give them more attention.
RussBLib
(9,006 posts)"should" have won does not cut it
soothsayer
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ndrew Prokop
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Nov 11, 2020
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Still, there does not currently appear to be a solid effort on the part of any GOP legislature to replace Biden electors with Trump electors.
But we'll have to see if that changes in the weeks ahead as the pressure rises.
Andrew Prokop
@awprokop
Even if legislatures do decide to make a play, there's a problem WI, PA, & MI have Dem governors who will veto any attempt to change state laws.
But there's also a potential solution: the Gorsuch/Kav theory that state legislatures, not governors, call the shots in elections
To be clear, this is a far-fetched scenario. It's very unlikely to actually happen. Things look to be on track for Biden.
But again, the two things to watch in the coming weeks are: whether states stay on track for certifications, and how GOP legislators talk about electors
Moostache
(9,895 posts)Because this is treasonous, and hangings will be the order of the day for those who thwart the will of the electorate through such illicit means.
Fair warning.
rso
(2,271 posts)Wisconsin also has a Democratic Governor and Secretary of State.
Ridin4Biden
(29 posts)you have about as much sense as a Trump supporter.
Thekaspervote
(32,755 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)BlueNIndiana
(94 posts)I remember when Trump came into office the democrats and others said he will have checks and balances on him.
Trump can not do this, Trump can not do that.
Trump has done many things that people said he couldn't do or was against the law and the GOP enabled him.
The law may say they can not do it but doesn't mean they will not try, if they can get enough votes to do it. I dare say even if they fall short of votes they will "stand up electors" to challenge the election.
Enormous pressure is being put on these states in the coming days if not weeks to overturn this election or at least try to.
If the GOP at the national level continues to stay silent and lets this brew an gain momentum.
None of these lawsuits are aimed at overturning anything via the courts its just trying to delay and grant some form of cover for the GOP to try and circumnavigate the will of the people.
The GOP is not a political party any more it works at the behest of Donald Trump.
Former Secretary od defense Cohen just today on MSNBC said the GOP no longer believes in the rule of law but just believe in ruling.
Trump and the GOP want to take this to the brink, they are on the cusp of absolute power in this country and destroying whats left of democracy in the process is ok by them.
I do not care what the "Law" says they can and can not do.
I truly believe that the GOP who control the legislature in swing states will attempt to do this, period.
This is an antempted Coup plain and simple.
ead:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214531871
Thekaspervote
(32,755 posts)On Friday, State Senate majority leader Jake Corman said Republicans will honor the wishes of the voters.
Our role is to monitor the process, our role is to provide oversight and call out questions where they might need asked, but certainly want to stay with the tradition of the popular vote winner getting the electors, Senator Corman said.
Corman says the vote is certified by the state and the governor appoints the electors.
He says the legislature will follow the law.
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/11/10/pa-electoral-college-popular-vote/
Wisconsin:
They would effectively be nullifying the votes of the 3 million plus Wisconsinites," UW-Madison Law Professor Rob Yablon said.
He added that is not allowed under current Wisconsin law and can't see the Legislature trying to change it.
"The electors that were chosen on Election Day are legally bound to vote for the candidate that won the popular vote in Wisconsin," Yablon said. "And if the Legislature attempted to appoint its own substitute slate of electors, it's hard to see how that would be legitimate."
The Wisconsin Elections Commission agreed.
"In Wisconsin, the state Legislature plays no role in certifying or deciding which slate of electors vote in the Electoral College," the commission said in a statement to WISN 12 News.
Those electors "must vote for the candidates of the party that nominated them."
https://www.wisn.com/article/gop-lawmaker-suggests-wisconsin-electors-choose-presidential-winner/34622122#
Can we please stop!
Bleacher Creature
(11,256 posts)This is basically the Louie Gohmerts of the PA and WI legislatures. It's not going to happen, and even if it did, it would never survive in even the most RW courts.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Congress critters for nutbaggery.
BusyBeingBest
(8,052 posts)If they arbitrarily overrule the will of the people in those states as a gift to the Orange Emperor-Clown, there will be civil unrest that will destabilize the US and cripple the economy, and they know it.
budkin
(6,699 posts)That would literally start a civil war.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,490 posts)This is just another shot at doing that so states can pass additional laws and regulations to quench American voting rights and access.
JMHO.......
Roland99
(53,342 posts)re: PA Electors and the legislature....
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214531188
Esp considering this:
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(Full transcript here https://democracydocket.com/cases/montgomery-county-board-of-elections-vote-count/)
Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)Overturning the election is unlikely and would result in violence.
Even if and when the President elect Biden is sworn in, damage has been done.
We are more suspicious and resentful of republicans and that is understandable. I didnt think I could hold them in more contempt but they keep becoming more contemptible.
Faith in fair elections is being shattered. Fairly so amongst us. Republicans are convincing themselves of the lie that they were cheated. That counting all votes is somehow fraudulent.
Motivations beyond a coup are driving enthusiasm for the senate run offs and midterms.
There will be violence from rage incidents, clashes at protests and domestic terrorism. Thats already baked into the next several years. The longer these false claims of fraud go on the worse it will get
Hassler
(3,376 posts)Stop with the what-if scenarios.
lindysalsagal
(20,670 posts)Nobody's debating anything about throwing out the vote.
But you can still send money to DT to help!
Listen, give it to me, and I'll send it in to maraleggo.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)There will be referenda for secession.