Thanksgiving time: the F-35 flying turkey,

[My Pet Orangutan]

now on its way to the UAE.

Cannot fly at supersonic speeds (for more than a short time) without the plane falling apart.

For those following the fiasco, how did this happen?

[MyOwnPeace]

1. I'm sorry..............

I know this is a serious post, but I saw "turkey" and "Thanksgiving" - couldn't resist............

[StClone]

4. Classic! No apologies needed as levity and Thanksgiving are needed!

[MyOwnPeace]

7. WHEW! Pressure's off......

I was afraid it would be up to jurors by now......

[Klaralven]

23. K&R

[mcar]

27. I thought this was it!

I wait for it every Thanksgiving. Truly one of the best moments in sitcom history.

[MyOwnPeace]

28. Sure is, isn't it?

[StClone]

2. Is it overpriced? Is it dangerous to fly at mach 1+?

Why sell it to the bloated Saudi Royals.

[msongs]

3. the pet project of at least one senator from vermont lol nt

[BannonsLiver]

5. We've created some amazing fighter aircraft

The F14, F15, F16, F18 and F22. I’m afraid the F35 will not be one of them.

[My Pet Orangutan]

6. The f-22 is extraordinary

but they didn't allow exports. Put together a kludge instead, sold it off to the chumps. My 2c.

[BannonsLiver]

8. I think that just about covers it!

[My Pet Orangutan]

12. I remember the debate when the f-22 was axed.

There were buyers in Australia, Israel, and Japan. People were talking about an 'export version' but the main reason given for ending it was the program was too expensive. (cf f-35, hollow laugh)

I know nothing about aeronautics, but the f-22 is a beautiful aircraft. My tinfoil hat says it was discontinued to protect some orders for the F-35.

[BannonsLiver]

14. Supposedly at the time of the discontinuation

One of the other reasons cited was lack of a clear mission for the aircraft. When it was initially developed it was apparently done so to meet expected advancements in China and Russia that either had not materialized at that time or were so far down the road the F22 would be obsolete by the time they came online. It’s a terrific airplane. There are some things it does that the F35 cannot, such as cruise at supersonic speeds without falling apart.

[My Pet Orangutan]

16. Clueless question -

What does the F-35 do (for the airforce) that the F-22 can not?

(Joke: Maybe they can get the supersonics rights with an F-35S, space force variant)

[BannonsLiver]

18. One variant of the F35 can take off and land vertically and its better suited for air to ground use

The AF won’t get the vertical takeoff version, though.

Here’s a rundown on some of the key differences:

https://militarymachine.com/f-22-raptor-vs-f-35-lightning-ii/

[My Pet Orangutan]

20. ty

[Happy Hoosier]

10. Having seen it WAX superior numbers in exercises....

I think you're wrong.

[BannonsLiver]

11. Your anecdotal opinion doesn't carry a lot of weight against the reporting on the aircraft

So it’s within the realm of possibility you are wrong.

[Happy Hoosier]

13. Maybe. But...

My current project is building aggressor aircraft to face F-35's (by modifying F-16's), and 9/10 times, the the F-16's are waxed before they even get a lock on the F-35's.... IF they ever get a lock on the F-35's.

So, I could be wrong, but I think the disregard for the F-35 is very poorly placed.

[Wellstone ruled]

9. Jane Military Mag

gave the Supersonic about one minute. Heat dissipation is one major issue. Boiling the fuel in the cross over between the tanks.

Another over priced flying Junk Pile.

[Phoenix61]

15. It happened because they thought it would be

great to have a multi-purpose aircraft that functioned across all branches of the military. As is often the case for multi-purpose things they wind up not working well for any purpose.

[My Pet Orangutan]

17. ... to save on costs?

[Phoenix61]

19. Yes, basically. The goal was a basic

air frame that each branch would “tweak” to fit its specific purposes. Cheaper and easier to upgrade. However, it hasn’t worked out well. The tasks of each branch are not as overlapping as one would think.

[SoCal Roomba]

21. First, the Tomcat was known as the Turkey.

Second, supersonic speed doesn’t mean much when you can launch an accurate Mach 3 AMRAAM before the enemy ever realizes that you’re in the air.

If I were on the other side, I wouldn’t want to deal with an F-35. The Stealth, sensor capabilities, and weaponry combinations are well beyond what any adversary can bring to the cook out.

[Ron Green]

22. It's all obscene, isn't it? This warplane development business.

More and more money over the years, over the decades, to build fragile and incompatible systems - all to maintain “air superiority” in a world that cries for peace and understanding.

They’re fun as war porn, though. Air shows and Veterans’ Day flyovers keep the masses on board with this shit.

[MyOwnPeace]

26. As well as every college football game,

NFL game, MLB game, and if they could figure out how to fly them inside buildings, NHL games and country music award shows!

[hunter]

24. All fighter jets are turkeys.

Modern semi-autonomous fighter aircraft and missiles can endure accelerations that would kill a human pilot.

Aircraft carriers are another obsolete 20th century technology.

Not that it matters.

The modern world economy is an awfully brittle thing.

Any serious war between the major economic powers would break it and a few billion people would die.

[My Pet Orangutan]

25. Why didn't the Russians figure that out in Syria?

Just think, you could have had a 'no-fly fighter' zone for all players all along.

[hunter]

29. Syria?

At its best the GDP of Syria is comparable to that of Vermont.