Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:20 PM

Marius25 (2,340 posts)

How did 55% of white women vote for Dump?

I still don't get it. I thought he was losing White suburban women in droves.

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68 replies	Author	Time	Post
How did 55% of white women vote for Dump? (Original post)	Marius25	Nov 2020	OP
Nope	Lotusflower70	Nov 2020	#1
Where is that number from?	58Sunliner	Nov 2020	#2
Good question.	smirkymonkey	Nov 2020	#51
I may know one out of 9 white women who voted for him	58Sunliner	Nov 2020	#67
Here	Marius25	Nov 2020	#57
I don't trust exit polling because they don't show how they get their numbers, or where.	58Sunliner	Nov 2020	#66
Having looked at total voting, @ 67%, accounting for race, your assertion is inaccurate.	58Sunliner	Nov 2020	#68
Afraid they're gonna lose THEIR place at the table?	GeorgeGist	Nov 2020	#3
I've heard about that poll but need to see other polling with similar stats. I don't see white women	uponit7771	Nov 2020	#4
This is a fallacy based on exit polls. it means 55% of white women who voted on Election Day	Squinch	Nov 2020	#5
Which makes sense. I wanna know how many hundreds of thousands or MILLIONS	Eliot Rosewater	Nov 2020	#7
Scary how much damage he did quickly	RANDYWILDMAN	Nov 2020	#44
Thank you.	cwydro	Nov 2020	#14
No. The exit polling data includes early voters.	Drunken Irishman	Nov 2020	#45
Got a link for that?	Squinch	Nov 2020	#48
Yes.	Drunken Irishman	Nov 2020	#49
I stand corrected. Sadly.	Squinch	Nov 2020	#52
I'm still skeptical of their accuracy, though.	Drunken Irishman	Nov 2020	#53
That definitely makes more sense	peggysue2	Nov 2020	#47
Not this white woman and not any of the white women I work with.	onecaliberal	Nov 2020	#6
It depends where you live, I guess.	Buckeye_Democrat	Nov 2020	#15
I'm in Devin Nunes CA22 it's red here. I don't understand the appeal	onecaliberal	Nov 2020	#24
I feel the same way.	Buckeye_Democrat	Nov 2020	#28
Back at you.	onecaliberal	Nov 2020	#46
Not this white woman either...	electric_blue68	Nov 2020	#55
They are most comfortable with their abusers	SheltieLover	Nov 2020	#8
White evangelicals, mostly.	Buckeye_Democrat	Nov 2020	#9
I think his support	Turin_C3PO	Nov 2020	#10
They are willing to ignore their own oppression if they can keep their racism.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Nov 2020	#11
Spot On	MOMFUDSKI	Nov 2020	#38
Wait for something more comprehensive that includes	treestar	Nov 2020	#12
White women are willing partners in maintaining the patriarchy	SoonerPride	Nov 2020	#13
When is the last time exit polls were right?	Autumn	Nov 2020	#16
The exits could be wrong. However, consider that	jrthin	Nov 2020	#21
Yep, the Trump voters came from somewhere!	Buckeye_Democrat	Nov 2020	#25
all I know is	llashram	Nov 2020	#17
I have said, who do you think ironed/irons and cleaned/cleans	jrthin	Nov 2020	#18
No need to doubt what we...	UncleTomsEvilBrother	Nov 2020	#19
Stupidity has no gender bias. That said, an even higher percentage of white men did the same. nt	Binkie The Clown	Nov 2020	#20
Racism and abortion	Edwcraig	Nov 2020	#22
Because some people don't recognize fascism	CornbreadJohnson	Nov 2020	#23
Same reason 50% of the anti-choice movement are women	Azathoth	Nov 2020	#26
Not every woman is smart. nt	Boogiemack	Nov 2020	#27
Yep.	Buckeye_Democrat	Nov 2020	#36
Social issues must not be much of a priority for them	Amishman	Nov 2020	#29
I would put money on abortion being the #1 issue	mathematic	Nov 2020	#54
70% of Americans want abortion legal though.	Marius25	Nov 2020	#60
White non college woman voted mostly, biden did get college educated white women	FloridaBlues	Nov 2020	#30
At the behest of their lord husbands?	soothsayer	Nov 2020	#31
I think the 2020 exit poll should not be trusted	standingtall	Nov 2020	#32
CNN was close in '16 with the popular vote margin.	Buckeye_Democrat	Nov 2020	#35
I'm not buying this number.	smirkymonkey	Nov 2020	#33
this. nt	Baltimike	Nov 2020	#40
Everyone attacks exit polls when it doesn't give them a number they agree with.	former9thward	Nov 2020	#41
Still not buying it.	smirkymonkey	Nov 2020	#50
In my very white suburban district in RED Ohio	KentuckyWoman	Nov 2020	#34
They lied. They voted for their own White Supremacy	Rice4VP	Nov 2020	#37
We don't know this	dsc	Nov 2020	#39
I voted early (white woman).	dawg day	Nov 2020	#42
Where'd ya go, Marius 25? DUers are replying to you.	SMC22307	Nov 2020	#43
I'm reading people's posts.	Marius25	Nov 2020	#58
LOL...	SMC22307	Nov 2020	#59
The actual numbers are probably 51-52 percent	JI7	Nov 2020	#56
Protests, rioting and looting	Snake Plissken	Nov 2020	#61
A lot of those rioters and looters were	Marius25	Nov 2020	#63
It's not an argument, it is what I saw with my own eyes	Snake Plissken	Nov 2020	#65
Lots of stupid people and lots of racist propaganda on hate radio, Fox "News," etc.	Yeehah	Nov 2020	#62
How did ANYBODY vote for Trump? Read today's Letters page in the LA Times...	Hekate	Nov 2020	#64

Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:21 PM

Lotusflower70 (3,076 posts)

1. Nope

They benefit from white supremacy so they enable it.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:22 PM

58Sunliner (4,050 posts)

2. Where is that number from?

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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:50 PM

smirkymonkey (63,221 posts)

51. Good question.

Every white woman I know with a few exceptions despises him and voted against him. I find this hard to believe.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #51)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 08:04 PM

58Sunliner (4,050 posts)

67. I may know one out of 9 white women who voted for him

She is a Fox viewer. She says she did not support him, but we're not sure.

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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:42 PM

Marius25 (2,340 posts)

57. Here

https://news.virginia.edu/content/what-exit-polls-are-telling-us

Whereas white women were only slightly less likely to vote for Donald Trump (55%) than were white men (58%),

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #57)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 08:00 PM

58Sunliner (4,050 posts)

66. I don't trust exit polling because they don't show how they get their numbers, or where.

"this year’s exit polls include data from telephone interviews with a representative sample of people who voted early or by mail. In all, the national exit poll includes interviews with 15,590 voters.." which are chosen how? Polling has become inaccurate.
JMO.

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #57)

Sun Nov 15, 2020, 10:47 AM

58Sunliner (4,050 posts)

68. Having looked at total voting, @ 67%, accounting for race, your assertion is inaccurate.

Given that whites are @72% of eligible voters, 72% of 67% would be 48.2% and half of that female would be 24%. Total eligible voters-100%, 72% of 100%-72%-half are women-36%. Statistically-approximately 12% of white women did not vote.
So if you want to assert that 55% of WW who voted, voted for DT based on exit polling data and phone calls, which have not been proven accurate, feel free.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:24 PM

GeorgeGist (25,199 posts)

3. Afraid they're gonna lose THEIR place at the table?

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:25 PM

uponit7771 (88,957 posts)

4. I've heard about that poll but need to see other polling with similar stats. I don't see white women

... increasing their vote for Trump, usually its women in most countries that are of sounder minds IMHE

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:26 PM

Squinch (48,205 posts)

5. This is a fallacy based on exit polls. it means 55% of white women who voted on Election Day

voted for Trump.

Most people of all colors and sexes who voted on Election Day voted for Trump.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:27 PM

Eliot Rosewater (30,460 posts)

7. Which makes sense. I wanna know how many hundreds of thousands or MILLIONS

of ballots never made it to be counted because of the fascist traitor dejoy...

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:05 PM

RANDYWILDMAN (2,404 posts)

44. Scary how much damage he did quickly

If Trump was les showman, we may have lost this one.

Voter suppression is a national issue, I have a feeling Biden won by more like 10 million but the repubs could not have that it would make them look really small as a party.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:32 PM

cwydro (50,428 posts)

14. Thank you.

And this is what? The eleventy hunnert OP on this?

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Response to Squinch (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:06 PM

Drunken Irishman (34,857 posts)

45. No. The exit polling data includes early voters.

They polled those voters by phone. It does suggest accuracy issues but the data is not just those who voted on November 3rd.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #45)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:03 PM

Squinch (48,205 posts)

48. Got a link for that?

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Response to Squinch (Reply #48)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:28 PM

Drunken Irishman (34,857 posts)

49. Yes.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results

At the top of the page it says:

Exit polls are surveys of a random sample of voters taken as they leave their polling place on election day. Absentee and early voters are represented by either telephone polls or in-person exit polls at early voting locations.Pollsters use the results to assess the makeup and opinions of the electorate.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #49)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 05:14 PM

Squinch (48,205 posts)

52. I stand corrected. Sadly.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #52)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 05:23 PM

Drunken Irishman (34,857 posts)

53. I'm still skeptical of their accuracy, though.

I don't think the exit polling data has proven nearly aa accurate as in years past due to the calling early voters.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:28 PM

peggysue2 (9,847 posts)

47. That definitely makes more sense

Because we know the lion share of Trump's supporters were included in the in-person, November 3rd count. With that in mind then the 55% white women stat makes more sense. Same with the 18% AA males and 4-8% shift of AA women.

What we need for a more accurate scan is the %'s on the whole vote including all those mail-in/early votes because they should skew decidedly more Democratic. We've seen proof of that during the various recounts, how Trump's lead was consistently whittled down.

I'd like to see that further analyses before coming to any conclusion.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:26 PM

onecaliberal (29,907 posts)

6. Not this white woman and not any of the white women I work with.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:32 PM

Buckeye_Democrat (14,712 posts)

15. It depends where you live, I guess.

Every white female coworker, except one, at my previous workplace was a religious Republican-type. Not all of them expressed their support for Trump, but it was pretty clear even for the quieter ones. (The company was in a very red area.)

Edit: Many of those co-workers lived in rural areas and their educations were horrible, especially in science. I have a degree in math with a high IQ, but I usually have to work in blue-collar settings because of low demand for my degree unless it's a minimum of a Master's. (I "went for it" years ago and got burned due to financial circumstances.)

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Response to Buckeye_Democrat (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:43 PM

onecaliberal (29,907 posts)

24. I'm in Devin Nunes CA22 it's red here. I don't understand the appeal

At the end of the day they’re women. Let men control your healthcare, your family planning, where you work and what you earn. I’m fucking exhausted by the people who think they need to control other people’s lives

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #24)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:46 PM

Buckeye_Democrat (14,712 posts)

28. I feel the same way.

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Response to Buckeye_Democrat (Reply #28)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:20 PM

onecaliberal (29,907 posts)

46. Back at you.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 05:55 PM

electric_blue68 (11,989 posts)

55. Not this white woman either...

nor my white friends & family here in NYC, or in Texas. 👍

The only 2 Republicans I have ever supported in '69 and '70: and this was before I could vote at 18 were both Socially Liberal.

Everyone else from then on - Democrats. 👍

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:27 PM

SheltieLover (57,073 posts)

8. They are most comfortable with their abusers

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:28 PM

Buckeye_Democrat (14,712 posts)

9. White evangelicals, mostly.

They voted in force yet again, comprising about 42% of white voters despite not being such a high percentage in everyday life.

Married people also voted far more strongly for Trump, as did white people with children. I figured that I'd mention them since it gets almost no attention here. No judgements, just repeating the data.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:30 PM

Turin_C3PO (10,851 posts)

10. I think his support

among white suburban women did go down. I think the 55% number is due to increased support among rural white women.

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Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:30 PM

The Velveteen Ocelot (108,744 posts)

11. They are willing to ignore their own oppression if they can keep their racism.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:40 PM

MOMFUDSKI (1,682 posts)

38. Spot On

Have a friend that totally fits the bill. I know who she is and I really don't like her because of it. Tolerate phone calls as it is a 45-yr friendship. Back in the day we never discussed politics and she was actually a womens' libber of sorts. The dark shadow came over her slowly but now here she is.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:32 PM

treestar (81,489 posts)

12. Wait for something more comprehensive that includes

Mail in ballots.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:32 PM

SoonerPride (12,286 posts)

13. White women are willing partners in maintaining the patriarchy

They have bites for the republicans for the last 70 years.

Of course not all.

But the majority.

And this year was no different.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:35 PM

Autumn (42,866 posts)

16. When is the last time exit polls were right?

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Response to Autumn (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:40 PM

jrthin (4,734 posts)

21. The exits could be wrong. However, consider that

there are more women than men in the population. Seventy-two million voted for trump. Certainly in that number a majority would be women.

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Response to jrthin (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:44 PM

Buckeye_Democrat (14,712 posts)

25. Yep, the Trump voters came from somewhere!

The CNN exit poll turned out to be a good estimate of the popular vote margin of victory for Clinton in '16.

If Biden wins the popular vote by about 5% this time, I'd guess that the CNN exit poll was pretty accurate again overall.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:37 PM

llashram (5,953 posts)

17. all I know is

too many voters selected trump. That also tells me how many white supremacist racists there are in this land of the free and home of ...la la la blah blah blah. We're just lucky there are more who didn't vote for the orange menace. All colors, cultures, gender, sexual orientations voted along with the racists. That's the eye-opener, wake-up call for me. And about those polls saying the losing white women blah, blah, blah? This election proved polls are not to be trusted past ones own common sense.

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Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:37 PM

jrthin (4,734 posts)

18. I have said, who do you think ironed/irons and cleaned/cleans

the robes and hoods of the KKK? White women. Certainly, and definitely not all, but a good number of them are complicit in racism.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:39 PM

UncleTomsEvilBrother (930 posts)

19. No need to doubt what we...

...already know. I work with quite a few white women in Georgia, and they all voted for Trump.

We can look at the rallies. There are as many white women there as are white men. The fact that we think they are not equal proponents of racism and bigotry shows our internal racism and bigotry.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:40 PM

Binkie The Clown (7,911 posts)

20. Stupidity has no gender bias. That said, an even higher percentage of white men did the same. nt

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:40 PM

Edwcraig (256 posts)

22. Racism and abortion

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:41 PM

CornbreadJohnson (16 posts)

23. Because some people don't recognize fascism

Until it's too late.. or they think it can be controlled and easily discarded once thier short term goals/privelidge have been attained/secured. The monsters they create and enable have the potential turn on them.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:45 PM

Azathoth (4,553 posts)

26. Same reason 50% of the anti-choice movement are women

Women on average are more concerned than men about appearing socially acceptable, but that doesn't always reflect their real beliefs, which tend to be more similar to men's than many want to admit.

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Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:46 PM

Boogiemack (1,406 posts)

27. Not every woman is smart. nt

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Response to Boogiemack (Reply #27)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:12 PM

Buckeye_Democrat (14,712 posts)

36. Yep.

I think it's interesting how many posters here seem to get defensive when their "group" doesn't represent them as much as they'd like.

It says NOTHING about them as an individual.

Maybe I'm just more accustomed to it as a white male? I'm certainly not going to "identify" with them based on their general voting patterns.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:46 PM

Amishman (5,374 posts)

29. Social issues must not be much of a priority for them

I'd love to see a breakdown of what were the top issues in exit polling for that demographic

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Response to Amishman (Reply #29)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 05:27 PM

mathematic (1,342 posts)

54. I would put money on abortion being the #1 issue

It probably wouldn't even be close.

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Response to mathematic (Reply #54)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:45 PM

Marius25 (2,340 posts)

60. 70% of Americans want abortion legal though.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:47 PM

FloridaBlues (3,700 posts)

30. White non college woman voted mostly, biden did get college educated white women

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:48 PM

soothsayer (38,601 posts)

31. At the behest of their lord husbands?

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:54 PM

standingtall (2,741 posts)

32. I think the 2020 exit poll should not be trusted

If you compare it to 2016 exit polls. Then Hilary would be President and Biden probably would've lost this one. According to the 2020 exit poll Biden under performed Hilary in many Demographics with exception of a 1% increase in white males that's not enough to offset a 3% decrease in white women. According to the 2020 exit polls he also did worse with Hispanics,black males and didn't do any better than Hilary did with black women. He did do better among people who identified as liberals and moderates, but their not independent of race and gender so it doesn't make sense. Possible that the increase in turnout offset the under performance in key demographics,but I dunno.

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Response to standingtall (Reply #32)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:08 PM

Buckeye_Democrat (14,712 posts)

35. CNN was close in '16 with the popular vote margin.

Using their numbers based on marital status, for example, she won the popular vote by about 2.6%. (It turned out to be 2.1%.)

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

Doing the same this year, the estimate is a Biden popular vote margin of over 4%.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:01 PM

smirkymonkey (63,221 posts)

33. I'm not buying this number.

This was based on exit polls and most Democratic women voted by mail or drop box. The number is skewed heavily toward republican women who voted in person on election day.

It is not representative of all white women. I am a white woman and every white woman that I know (ok w/ the exception of my mother and sister) hates Trump and voted Biden. Of course I live in a blue city in a blue state, but I still say that number is bullshit.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #33)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:57 PM

Baltimike (3,881 posts)

40. this. nt

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #33)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:58 PM

former9thward (28,981 posts)

41. Everyone attacks exit polls when it doesn't give them a number they agree with.

What is the better number? The fact is the exit polling is NOT done by someone standing outside a voting precinct. It is done by calling a sample of people who have already voted -- which would include early votes and mail votes. It is not perfect but I want to know what the better number is and where THAT came from.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #41)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 04:47 PM

smirkymonkey (63,221 posts)

50. Still not buying it.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:03 PM

KentuckyWoman (6,176 posts)

34. In my very white suburban district in RED Ohio

Hillary Clinton ended with about 35% of the vote. Joe Biden ended with about 45%. They've built a lot of senior facilities out here and an awful lot of these old ladies voted for Trump last time but against him this time.

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Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:14 PM

Rice4VP (1,235 posts)

37. They lied. They voted for their own White Supremacy

They lie to pollsters to make themselves feel better and then go out and vote in private for Trump. Forget the Karens

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 02:50 PM

dsc (51,778 posts)

39. We don't know this

they made some attempt to adjust for the early voting but we have no real idea who successful that was.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:01 PM

dawg day (7,947 posts)

42. I voted early (white woman).

I would have voted 19X for Biden if I could.

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Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:04 PM

SMC22307 (8,048 posts)

43. Where'd ya go, Marius 25? DUers are replying to you.

Why the hit and run, #458?

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #43)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:43 PM

Marius25 (2,340 posts)

58. I'm reading people's posts.

Didn't see many directly addressed to me though.

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #58)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:44 PM

SMC22307 (8,048 posts)

59. LOL...

it's your OP. Who else would respondents be addressing?

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:36 PM

JI7 (87,922 posts)

56. The actual numbers are probably 51-52 percent

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Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:58 PM

Snake Plissken (4,103 posts)

61. Protests, rioting and looting

You can thank the protesters, looters and riots for all the down tickets losses ... I saw people getting drawn to Republicans who I never thought would vote for Trump by.

And every time I mentioned it here before the election someone flagged by post and it was deleted ... ignoring the truth didn't change it.

The douchebag Republicans presented a better narrative, the average person saw Republicans backing the police and Democrats backing the criminals ... it's really that simple.

I saw a large cross section of blue collar workers become angry by people who were not working but had time to spend weeks protesting while others were looting and rioting, and I saw it first hand not in just one factory but every single one that I visit.

This election should have been a complete blowout, but that was the factor that kept Republicans relevant, and still is.

And it doesn't matter if they are wrong, it is what happened, it could have been avoid and should have been avoid.

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Response to Snake Plissken (Reply #61)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 07:00 PM

Marius25 (2,340 posts)

63. A lot of those rioters and looters were

Trump supporters.

And the places that had the worst protests didn't see big losses.

Basically your entire argument is that the average person is a complete idiot with no critical thinking ability and is completely detached from objective reality.

How dare people actually want police to stop murdering black people... That's what Republican voters are upset about.

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #63)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 07:43 PM

Snake Plissken (4,103 posts)

65. It's not an argument, it is what I saw with my own eyes

Ignoring reality will not change it, no matter who is right and who is wrong.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:59 PM

Yeehah (3,819 posts)

62. Lots of stupid people and lots of racist propaganda on hate radio, Fox "News," etc.

I've simply accepted there are a lot of ignorant, gullible people in the world. We need to improve our propaganda efforts because the right has swamped the airwaves for decades. I have no hope that people will somehow get smarter.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 07:03 PM

Hekate (83,969 posts)

64. How did ANYBODY vote for Trump? Read today's Letters page in the LA Times...

The Letters editor decided to devote the entire page today to their plaintive wails that they are not racists. That they are simply voting their wallets, and that (their) religious freedom means everything to them, and that he is protecting the unborn, and other countries need to pay their fair share, and he’s good for the country...

They self-identify as male, female, white, black — well, you get the picture. Something from every demographic in America. 70,000,000+ voters.

So deal with it. As a white woman and lifelong Democrat, I’m sincerely sick of reading that “white women” are at fault for having brought us Trump in 2016.

Just deal with it. Every single city, town, village, rural grange, university, community college, church, synagogue, neighborhood, and family has Trump voters within it.

This is a nationwide malady.

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