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Sat Nov 14, 2020, 09:14 PM

where is the line between sedition and free speech ?

What the heck is required to make it sedition ? some are openly calling for reversing the election, advocating subverting the will of the people to install Trump back in power.

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Reply where is the line between sedition and free speech ? (Original post)
drray23 Nov 2020 OP
elleng Nov 2020 #1
Scruffy1 Nov 2020 #2
marybourg Nov 2020 #3
bullimiami Nov 2020 #4

Response to drray23 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 09:19 PM

1. 'conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.'

Words that inspire a revolution that overthrows the government are an example of sedition. Conduct or language inciting rebellion against the authority of a state. Insurrection; rebellion. The stirring up of discontent, resistance, or rebellion against the government in power.

Though sedition may have the same ultimate effect as treason, it is generally limited to the offense of organizing or encouraging opposition to government in a manner (such as in speech or writing) that falls short of the more dangerous offenses constituting treason.

'Suppose that over the course of a few months, a small band of armed militants has coordinated strategies to distribute firearms and take over the nation's capital by force through a website on the clandestine "deep web." All indications show that the group is dead serious in its intentions, but they're thwarted by an FBI investigation that leads to arrests. While sharing information and discussing ideas -- even distasteful ones -- is generally protected as free speech, the FBI believes this crosses the line. The alleged ringleaders of the plot are charged with "seditious conspiracy" (simply referred to as "sedition", a federal crime related to treason and other anti-government offenses.

Sedition is a serious felony punishable by fines and up to 20 years in prison and it refers to the act of inciting revolt or violence against a lawful authority with the goal of destroying or overthrowing it. The following provides an overview of this particular crime against the government, with historical references.'
https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/sedition.html

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 09:22 PM

2. It depends on your politics.

Eugene Debs got ten years for saying he thought the draft was unconstitutional. The Supremes agreed 12-0. Different standard for right wing nuts. Hell, they can take over federal property and promote violent revolution all they want. Don't you try it, though. You can get in trouble if you threaten one of the political class directly because that's common law everywhere.

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Response to drray23 (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 09:27 PM

3. Inciting violence is the line.

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Response to marybourg (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 09:32 PM

4. trump has crossed that line. much of the RW echo chamber has crossed with him.

plots and murder have been done.

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