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spooky3

(34,407 posts)
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 02:37 PM Nov 2020

Cook Political Map shows a nearly universal swing to Dems in 2020

and not all the votes are in:

https://cookpolitical.com/2020-national-popular-vote-tracker

(click on the middle gray button on the right to show 2020 vs. 2016)

Hey media members who are talking about how disappointing this year was for the Dems - take a look at this map!

New York surprised me with a large Repub shift - maybe there are still a lot of votes to count? Obviously Clinton was a "favorite daughter" in 2016, but I still wouldn't have expected this shift.

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uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
1. Yep, the extent of kGOP VSM is the variant the pollsters aren't accounting for. I BET GOOD MONEY ...
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 02:40 PM
Nov 2020

... that in red states the polling is REALLY far off comparted to the blue states.

Cha

(296,878 posts)
4. "the media" isn't the only one
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:39 PM
Nov 2020

who needs to look at the map from what I've read by some

TY Spooky. Bookmark. The media most always gets something wrong.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,271 posts)
5. Looking at the NY counties, Dem-leaning ones still have a lot to count
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 03:59 PM
Nov 2020
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-elections/new-york-president-results

eg Manhattan (84% Dem so far) is only 60% in.

If all the counties returned the rest of their votes in the same proportion they have done so far, it would be a 16.5% margin for Biden, rather than a 13.5% one. If the remaining votes are more Democratic, due to Dems voting earlier more (if that's the pattern in NY - I don't know), it'll be bigger still.

Wanderlust988

(509 posts)
7. I'm still amazed that Biden did better in Colorado than New York!
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 04:55 PM
Nov 2020

Colorado was a swing state not too long ago. CO and VA went blue really fast.

spooky3

(34,407 posts)
10. yes - but as others have posted, the final vote count for NY will be very different.
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 05:14 PM
Nov 2020

VA voted for Obama twice and hasn't elected a Repub to statewide office in more than 10 years. I think part of it was the influx of highly educated people to urban areas, but also, IMHO, people here tend to be moderate and pragmatic. As long as the Republicans keep nominating RWNJs at all levels, they will lose all but the rural sections of VA, which are an increasingly small % of the population.

I really think NC is heading in the same direction.

brooklynite

(94,376 posts)
13. National popular vote is a worthless measure...
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 05:17 PM
Nov 2020

...because it's not the basis on which we elect Presidents.

As for the poor performance, the increase in national popular vote clearly didn't show up in the States where we tried to pick up Senate seats.

triron

(21,984 posts)
15. WTF?
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 05:20 PM
Nov 2020

Every other democracy in the world uses this measure.
It is the electoral college that is non-democratic.

brooklynite

(94,376 posts)
17. It is the electoral college that we have...
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 05:45 PM
Nov 2020

If you think this is an argument that's going to shift us away from the EC, you're hopelessly naive.

spooky3

(34,407 posts)
16. As a measure of what? You're looking at a different construct.
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 05:21 PM
Nov 2020

And the Dems picked up a net Senate seat. The House seat losses were in Republican districts where Dems barely won previously, and to two Cuban-American new reps in Florida--and Dems still won the majority of all the seats that were up this year.

The problem is that you and some in the media are comparing the results to "expectations" set by pollsters. I suggest changing the frame of reference.

brooklynite

(94,376 posts)
18. I don't rely on pollsters; I do my own data analysis...
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 05:47 PM
Nov 2020

We were never going to beat Cornyn or McConnell (despite the expectations of many here); we SHOULD have been able to beat Collins (having won Maine for Biden) and Tillis (having won NC for Cooper).

triron

(21,984 posts)
14. Florida is a big anomaly. Makes me suspicious. How many mail-in ballots never got counted??
Sun Nov 15, 2020, 05:20 PM
Nov 2020

Also their voting system had some vulnerabilities that Republicans could have allowed to their benefit.

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