What Trump is doing amounts to sedition

[misanthrope]

It might not be as overt as sending missile plans to foreign agents, but it has severely damaged the nation.

He revealed intelligence secrets to Russian guests in the Oval Office that compromised our assets overseas. He conducted highly sensitive security operations in a public eating area at Mar-A-Lago, turning it into an open-air situation room. He told reporter Bob Woodward about secret weapons systems that weren't public knowledge.

He is waging biological warfare on the United States through his refusal to address the COVID-19 pandemic. This disease will not only kill hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Americans when it is done, but many of the survivors will carry permanent and debilitating damage.

He is waging psy-ops on the nation by encouraging citizens to erase their faith in the democratic process. He has encouraged angry citizens to assault elected leaders and average citizens, whether by attacking their vehicles or kidnapping and murdering public officials.

And now in full realization of the danger posed by delaying the transition, he refuses to facilitate the process and protect the nation.

I don't necessarily think you could bring him up on charges, but the sum of his actions certainly adds to sabotaging the nation. Ethel and Julius Rosenberg didn't harm as many people as Trump has already and threatens to for decades to come.

[Cha]

1. No kidding!

[Karadeniz]

2. We need to find a way to finish him off in court without causing his loyalists to burn the country

Down.

[Hekate]

3. Agreed

[Doodley]

4. Agreed. Everything he's done has damaged America, our relationships with allies, and our leadership

in NATO, in Iran, on climate, for example. He has headed up government departments with those who want to destroy those department, an education secretary who doesn't believe in public education, a climate secretary who doesn't believe in climate change. He has fought to undermine science and undermine the media, to undermine facts, in favor of lies told through the lens of a fascist to sow discord among the American people. His reaction to the pandemic is just more of the same - do as much damage as he can get away with. Now, he is trying to burn America to the ground by throwing a match on our very democracy. We haven't a clue how much damage he is doing behind the scenes. What other human being has ever done so much damage to America? I believe that he will be pursued ruthlessly by those who see that, and at least have the ability to prosecute him for his financial crimes.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

5. Possibly what he's doing now will leave him with a very tiny base.

And that would eat away at the Repubs afraid of it. Anecdotally, I've heard some have been turned off by what he's doing now.

[DSandra]

6. I've seen Trump as Putin's mole

Doing whatever he can to sabotage America.

[AZ8theist]

7. it's OBVIOUS.

The next AG needs to install a task force to finish what Mueller started.

Russian collusion isn't a "hoax", it's an obvious fact.

McTurtle, Cotton, Johnson, Nunes and others got some 'splaining to do....TO THE FBI.

[2naSalit]

8. Every single action he has taken in office...

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Has been to destroy an American institution or agency.

[dchill]

9. There it is.

[misanthrope]

12. I don't think he's a mole in the traditional sense

Not like a standard plant. I do think Putin was wise enough to realize that there is effectively no difference between a POTUS who causes extensive damage by design and one who does so through incompetence. The result is the same.

That's my point in the OP. You take all his actions and lump together and they draw a portrait of destruction on such a scale your natural reaction is to assume it is sedition. The only difference here might be in intent. Trump isn't doing so because his aim is to put a foreign power in control, or to make the U.S. vulnerable. It's sheer incompetence and apathy.

His only concern is himself. That oblivion furthers the actions that lead to the weakening of the nation.

But in the end, does it really matter? The result is the same.

I don't care as much whether they prosecute him for it, only that he's judged in the court of public opinion as effectively treasonous.

[lettucebe]

10. If he continues this after he leaves office I'd expect him to be indicted

[misanthrope]

11. My expectation is for a Nixon-style pardon

looking to cloak him from future prosecution. He'll retreat to Florida, cite boredom and step down (right before Jan. 20) then get his absolution from Rev. Pence.

Going by Trump's prior life as evidence, he believes he could tie up any challenge to the pardon in court as long as he wants.

[Blue Owl]

13. K&R