Wed Nov 18, 2020, 09:02 AM

Goodheart (3,275 posts)

So, on what rationale does trump NOT get arrested the day after his inauguration?

Remember that Michael Cohen went to jail for breaking Federal election laws? Remember that "Individual-1" was a co-conspirator?

I imagine that trump's defense would be that he never instructed Cohen to pay off Stormy Daniels. But what objective person would ever believe that?

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So, on what rationale does trump NOT get arrested the day after his inauguration? (Original post)	Goodheart	Nov 2020	OP
He's not in the country?	C_U_L8R	Nov 2020	#1
Exactly. We don't have an extradition treaty with Russia.	lagomorph777	Nov 2020	#5
Has a handy-dandy federal pardon	exboyfil	Nov 2020	#2
the problem we face with state crimes is a conservtive supreme court could rule that	beachbumbob	Nov 2020	#3
Yes	exboyfil	Nov 2020	#4
In 2019 the court ruled in favor of separate sovereigns	Coleman	Nov 2020	#6
What if they rule that way but NY still refuses to let him go?	dawg	Nov 2020	#7
Joe said we're playing nice and we need to move on.	Hotler	Nov 2020	#8
I have not read or heard him say anything like this he said he let the doj handle it	uponit7771	Nov 2020	#9
The only reason is for the country's image	AmericanCanuck	Nov 2020	#10

Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 09:04 AM

C_U_L8R (39,975 posts)

1. He's not in the country?

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 09:19 AM

lagomorph777 (20,670 posts)

5. Exactly. We don't have an extradition treaty with Russia.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 09:06 AM

exboyfil (15,559 posts)

2. Has a handy-dandy federal pardon

from himself and possibly Pence.

State crimes on the other hand.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 09:09 AM

beachbumbob (9,263 posts)

3. the problem we face with state crimes is a conservtive supreme court could rule that

state crime charges that parallel federal crimes that are "pardoned" are in essence double jeopardy and can not be prosecuted at state level. This is a real possibility

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 09:19 AM

exboyfil (15,559 posts)

4. Yes

I think that is how it will ultimately play out.

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 09:54 AM

Coleman (466 posts)

6. In 2019 the court ruled in favor of separate sovereigns

Which means federal charges and state charges do not risk double jeopardy. The court ruled 7-2, with RBG and Gorsuch dissenting, that separate sovereigns does not violate double jeopardy.

This is the DU member formerly known as Coleman.

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 09:59 AM

dawg (10,053 posts)

7. What if they rule that way but NY still refuses to let him go?

Who's going to enforce their ruling?

This is how the Republicans are operating now. What if we started acting that way too?

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 10:06 AM

Hotler (8,077 posts)

8. Joe said we're playing nice and we need to move on.

Just like with Bush/Cheney.

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Response to Hotler (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 10:24 AM

uponit7771 (74,572 posts)

9. I have not read or heard him say anything like this he said he let the doj handle it

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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 11:33 AM

AmericanCanuck (1,102 posts)

10. The only reason is for the country's image

We cannot be seen as jailing political leaders so the federal government should lay off.

On the other hand, state crimes are a different issue and godspeed if NY files an indictment and arrests Trumpty Dumpty.

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