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Wed Nov 18, 2020, 05:38 PM

Will he resign to get a pardon? What say you?

I don't think his ego will let him resign. Plus, there is no guarantee that Pence will pardon him if he resigns even if Pence promises to do so.

I think he will try to pardon himself.

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He will resign in January to get a pardon from Pence
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He will not resign. He will try to pardon himself.
44 (65%)
He will not resign or try to pardon himself.
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Reply Will he resign to get a pardon? What say you? (Original post)
Solomon Nov 2020 OP
Newest Reality Nov 2020 #1
spooky3 Nov 2020 #2
moonscape Nov 2020 #13
sir pball Nov 2020 #20
Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2020 #30
Moostache Nov 2020 #3
DinahMoeHum Nov 2020 #4
ananda Nov 2020 #5
rso Nov 2020 #6
Solomon Nov 2020 #15
rso Nov 2020 #23
Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2020 #31
rso Nov 2020 #34
Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2020 #35
WheelWalker Nov 2020 #7
Zoonart Nov 2020 #12
icwlmuscyia Nov 2020 #8
stage left Nov 2020 #9
liberaltrucker Nov 2020 #22
keithbvadu2 Nov 2020 #10
BlueTsunami2018 Nov 2020 #11
Solly Mack Nov 2020 #14
LineLineReply !
Solomon Nov 2020 #16
Solly Mack Nov 2020 #19
Mike 03 Nov 2020 #17
WheelWalker Nov 2020 #21
Pobeka Nov 2020 #18
Solomon Nov 2020 #24
Pobeka Nov 2020 #25
Solomon Nov 2020 #26
Pobeka Nov 2020 #27
MoonRiver Nov 2020 #28
grantcart Nov 2020 #29
ooky Nov 2020 #32
H2O Man Nov 2020 #33

Response to Solomon (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 05:41 PM

1. Keep in mind that a pardon is also an admission of guilt.

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Response to Newest Reality (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 05:44 PM

2. Not in Trump World. But you make a good point. Nt

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Response to Newest Reality (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 06:02 PM

13. He would spin a pardon to his cult

who already think he has been unfairly persecuted by the radical socialists, antifa and the fake media. He’s forced to pardon himself to protect against all of that.

He’ll suffer nothing by pardoning himself. They would cheer and wave flags.

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Response to Newest Reality (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 06:29 PM

20. It actually isn't legally, but there is another interesting effect...

The decision in Burdick says that a pardon "carries an imputation of guilt", but that's mere dicta with no legal weight. At least, likely so, it's never actually been decided either way in court.

What Burdick DID make crystal-clear though, a pardon categorically denies the ability to claim the Fifth. You don't have to accept a pardon, but if you do, you by definition cannot self-incriminate.

If Trump were to accept a Nixon-style blanket pardon, he couldn't personally be tried for anything but he could absolutely be hauled in front of the court, ordered to testify, and if he refused, he'd be locked up on contempt charges until such time as he changed his mind.

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Response to sir pball (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:13 AM

30. Yeah I've never bought that "admission of guilt" theory.

One of the main reasons the pardon power exists is to check unfair political prosecutions. It doesn’t make sense to rescue someone from unfair political prosecution and then require the person to be considered guilty.

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Response to Solomon (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 05:44 PM

3. As long as he is gone, I don't care.

A federal pardon for crimes committed in the White House won't shield him from state courts and tax evasion, campaign finance violations ("Individual One" is still awaiting trial I believe) or the myriad of other things has done...

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Response to Solomon (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 05:46 PM

4. Does it matter? NY state will nail his ass to the wall. . .

. . .and AG Letitia James is the lioness licking her chops in pursuit of that quarry.

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Response to Solomon (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 05:47 PM

5. He might.

I have a bet with my brother saying he won't,
but I could be wrong.

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Response to Solomon (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 05:47 PM

6. Pardon

I don’t think he’ll take any chances and pardon himself, as such a pardon is legally questionable. So he’ll most likely take a constitutionally guaranteed pardon from Pence.

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Response to rso (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 06:18 PM

15. I agree that pardoning himself will not work. But what guarantee would he have that Pence will

follow through and pardon him if he resigns. He can't unresign if Pence doesn't cooperate. What is the "constitutionally guaranteed" pardon that you speak of?

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Response to Solomon (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 07:32 PM

23. Pardon

I was referring to a pardon by Pence, which would be inviolable and constitutionally foolproof. Of course, that assumes that Pence would keep his word to Trump.

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Response to rso (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:19 AM

31. One theory I've seen floated is he could invoke the 25th for a day...

... and have Pence pardon Trump while Pence is President. It could be done under the guise of Trump needing general anesthesia for some procedure. Or no guise at all.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #31)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:44 AM

34. Pardon

But can he trust Pence to definitely relinquish control after the one day ?.

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Response to rso (Reply #34)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 12:12 PM

35. Section 3 allows The President to rescind with another letter.

Section 4 covers involuntary taking of the authority and how it is maintained if The President objects.

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Response to Solomon (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 05:49 PM

7. He resigns. "You can't fire me - I quit!"

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Response to WheelWalker (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 06:00 PM

12. Agree.

"I won, the election was rigged, I quit. Let that Loser Pence stand behind Biden at the inauguration."
Something like this.

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Response to Solomon (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 05:51 PM

8. Whatever direction he picks it will be poorly thought out

and will somehow boomerang on him.

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Response to Solomon (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 05:52 PM

9. Hell, no!

They will have to drag him out of the White House, kicking and screaming and yelling "I did too win!" I hope they stream it.

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Response to stage left (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 06:44 PM

22. No streaming necessary

It'll be carried live on all networks and cable outlets.

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Response to Solomon (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 05:54 PM

10. He would get a two-for. A pardon and not have to face an incoming 'winner' at inauguration .

He would get a two-for.

A pardon and not have to face an incoming 'winner' at inauguration .

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Response to Solomon (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 05:57 PM

11. I think Cohen had it right.

He’ll slink off to Florida for Christmas and never come back to Washington. A pardon would mean he’s been indicted or charged with something and would have to admit to committing crimes. I don’t think he’d ever do that.

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Response to Solomon (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 06:14 PM

14. He'll slither into the sewers and become the creature from the DC sewage. An orange blob with eyes

a cirrhosis yellow - and whose skin is pockmarked with gaseous, suppurating bubbles that gurgle and pop as the creature slithers along the tunnels. Rancid orange secretions flowing from the now oozing pus pockets, leaving a trail of fetid slime in its wake.

There will be the occasional sightings, along with some blurry photos. A scary bedtime story will be written and stern admonishments will come to pass. "Behave!" people will tell their children - or the "Orange Blob will get you!".



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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 06:20 PM

16. !



You owe me a keyboard!

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Response to Solomon (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 06:26 PM

19. Sure, laugh. But just wait until the cell division starts.

Shudder.



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Response to Solomon (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 06:20 PM

17. Mark Meadows said something odd today. Maybe it was just a mistake, or was

it a slip?

Kevin Liptak
@Kevinliptakcnn
Mark Meadows attended GOP lunch at the Capitol today and offered what senators are describing as a good-bye message. Cornyn tells reporters Meadows talked about “basically just there are about 45 days left of the president’s term." Per @alizaslav


Why did he say 45 days?

Will Trump resign two weeks before Inauguration Day?

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Response to Mike 03 (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 06:35 PM

21. Very insightful. The inference is not particularly obvious and thus warrants merit.

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Response to Solomon (Original post)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 06:22 PM

18. He will flee the country. Better than 50/50 odds I think now.

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Response to Pobeka (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 07:57 PM

24. That would definitely be the smart play. But I think he thinks democrats

lack the will to prosecute him.

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Response to Solomon (Reply #24)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 08:24 PM

25. Yeah, but the SDNY is another story all together.

I think he'll flee (because that's not pardonable), starts a TV network, plays the "rightful ruler in exile" gig to continue to soak the marks as long as he can.

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Response to Pobeka (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 09:23 PM

26. Oh I actually agree that there's nothing he can do about state prosecutions.

He's bought so many off over the years that he probably thinks he can do it again.

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Response to Solomon (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 09:39 AM

27. Yep. His confidence in always winning is why I don't say 100% odds ;-) n/t

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Response to Solomon (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 09:43 AM

28. He'll never resign, cause that would prove he's a LOSER.

A pardon, by himself or Pence, is a statement of guilt, which he could also not tolerate. I think he'll skip the country.

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Response to Solomon (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:40 AM

29. Another option, no pardon, moves off shore


A pardon won't give him what he wants, total separation from legal hassles.

He will face an unrelenting river of state criminal and civil law suits plus if he takes a pardon he can be called as a witness without the claim to avoid self incrimination.

Add to that the possible collapse of his financial world the safe bet for him would be to off shore $ 100 million and move to Abu Dhabi.

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Response to Solomon (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:39 AM

32. I think his instinct for cowardice will have the most influence on his chosen course of action.

Fear of incarceration will be his most overwhelming worry.

Self pardon carries too much risk since it has never been tested. So I do think he'll resign to receive a Pence pardon which will protect him from federal prosecution.

Any option that includes the possibility of incarceration like state prosecutions still remain a problem though, so the best way to deal with that is to leave the country for someplace that has no extradition treaty with the U.S. If he doesn't leave, he will fear that New York State will "move on him like a bitch".

So, in order, he will leave the country, then resign, then receive pardon by Pence.

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Response to Solomon (Original post)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 11:40 AM

33. Recommended.

I think he will attempt to pardon himself.

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