I am actually getting nervous

[Proud liberal 80]

I knew Trump would act like this once he lost and I knew republicans would be complicit, but damn this is crazy....Michigan alone is getting crazy and Biden won that state more comfortable than any other of the states trump is trying to steal....it’s not a given that the State canvassers will certify the vote because it has the same partisan 2-2 makeup as the County canvassers and one of the republicans has already stated he has concerns and wants an audit.

Edit- and I don’t trust the SCOTUS

[SoonerPride]

1. You should be nervous. This is deadly serious. They are attempting a coup.

They may succeed.

[Doodley]

6. And what is being done about it?

[SoonerPride]

10. Nothing, Joe and the rest of the dems just assume it won't work

They are foolish to assume it won't work.

They need to actively engage in this fight.

[Doodley]

19. Thank you for saying so.

[Cha]

54. Except that's not what's happening..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14583524

[hamsterjill]

22. +ONE MILLION

Democrats are going to have to learn to fight!!! I am very concerned.

[SlogginThroughIt]

73. How should they fight?

I keep hearing this but how do you think they should be fighting?

[hamsterjill]

85. The Dems need to be visible in every court case, every press conference rebutted, etc.

They should have been countering all of this QAnon propaganda since the beginning. They need to stand up, tell the Republicans “hell no” and mean it.

I’m not the strategist for the Democratic Party but I see NOTHING happening right now. If they are doing more, then I want to see it and know about it.

So, Trump won’t cooperate with Biden and that means 150,000 more Americans may die from COVID between now and February first. THAT alone should be the talking point coming from every Democrat’s mouth right now. Flood the airwaves. Joe and Kamala should be on every network every day. Take the attention away from Donnie.

So, what are YOUR ideas? Or are you one of those who proposes sitting back and expecting it all to be okay come January 20th, and then acting surprised when it isn’t?

The Trumpers are preparing for war with guns in my neck of the woods. How will Democrats respond to that? Calling the police who are all Trumpers themselves?

[SlogginThroughIt]

95. Pelosi has been quite visible.

Also the dems can call a press conference but if the press doesn’t show up what good does it do?

[hamsterjill]

96. Yes, Nancy is the toughest one!!!

You don’t think the press will show up to a Dem presser? Somehow, I think they will.

Only one way to find out though...

[StarfishSaver]

99. You should pay closer attention

Not only are they fighting, they're kicking Trump's butt.

[hamsterjill]

104. I am paying attention thank you very much.

I still want more visibility from the Biden camp on their efforts. Specific efforts. I think we are deserving of that. I don’t watch news 24/7 like SOME people do, but I stay informed well enough. Tonight’s headlines have been all about Donnie, Jr. testing positive. As a die hard Democrat, I want the headlines to be about Biden/Harris. And that is up to Biden/Harris to make happen.

I don’t need to be told how to feel or act, so I’ll ignore your admonition.

[StarfishSaver]

105. The Biden team has more important things to do than to generate headlines for the comfort

of people who seem unable or unwilling to look beyond the headlines to see that a significant amount of news coverage has been about what the president-elect, his allies and attorneys have been doing every day.

[hamsterjill]

107. Are you a member of the Biden legal team?

If not, your opinion of what they have to do is no more valid than mine.

Your posts always seem to be confrontational and I tire of it. You need to consider that other people on this board have their own opinions which are just as valid as yours. I suggest if you don’t like mine, that you put me on ignore.

[cwydro]

108. Thank you.

Spot on.

[yellowdogintexas]

26. this statement assumes that Joe and company do not have an army of lawyers ready to jump on this

They have known Trump would try this BS stuff. They are not ignoring it

[SoonerPride]

27. We need an actual army.

Feckless lawyers aren't the solution.

When Michigan goes ahead and appoint their own electors which is clearly illegal and we say "we'll take that to court" we have already lost.

[Cha]

55. "feckless lawyers"? Who are WINNING

on the Front Lines Against trump's Fucking Lawsuits!

[SlogginThroughIt]

74. So what is your solution? Bloodshed?

What are you calling for?

[SoonerPride]

82. I don't have a tank.

It is against DU rules to call for bloodshed.

[brooklynite]

31. You mean his 40+ years of political experience isn't as informed as the anonymous blogosphere?

[Bettie]

35. His 40 years of political experience may as well have been in a different world

Republicans today are not the same as they were. There isn't even a pretense of working together.

I can't count the number of times I said "he's going to do x" and my beloved husband said "Nah, that can't happen!"

It always happened.

There was never any real pushback.

He has shredded our entire system there are no checks and balances to speak of.

[brooklynite]

39. You miss the point:

The Election outcome doesn't derive from what HE decides to do, it derives from what the STATES decide to do. The STATES aren't recognizing his claims of fraud, aren't throwing out ballots, aren't delaying the certification of votes, and aren't changing laws to appoint alternative slates of Electors. Not it Michigan or Georgia or Pennsylvania or Arizona.

Honestly if someone else asks me to "talk them down", I'm going to suggest that they (metaphorically) jump, because they can't be convinced to look at the reality of the situation.

[Bettie]

41. Well, I'm glad you feel all Pollyanna-ish about this.

I hope they don't succeed, but I'm not holding my breath on it either.

Too many things that "couldn't happen" have and have had practically zero pushback or consequences.

But, hey, "It's all going to be fine, that can't happen!" has worked so far, right?

[brooklynite]

45. Pollyanish has nothing to do with reality...

If you believe that Trump can and will do anything, in concert with Republican Governors and the Supreme Court, then you believe they can also ignore any counter-strategy that Biden and the Democrats could up with. So, might as well give up.....

[Cha]

50. That is just Baloney.. PE Biden's TEAM

has Lawyers FIGHTING the FUCKING LAWSUITS.

Guess What .. Democracy 25.. trump 0

Pennsylvania Supreme Court Overturns Trump's Only Election Lawsuit Win

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214576996

You call that "Nothing"?

Oh & you have no idea what Team Biden is "assuming". They are assuming NOTHING. That's Not what they do.

[cwydro]

75. Pretty sure Biden has lawyers working on this.

There is a DUer who has a son on one of the legal teams, and he’s posted about it quite a bit.

I’ll try to find a link.

[PufPuf23]

51. Hopefully what needs to be done is being done but in the shadows now so

as not to cause an immediate blow up / worse national meltdown.

This is probably what is happening.

The wisest course then is to let the process continue until January 20 and Biden in office or until the process is deliberately broken by the Trump enablers.

If not, we may be looking at unimaginable world of hurt.

[dchill]

9. It's a Koup.

A Keystone Koup Klutz Klan Koup!

Which IS definitely dangerous.

[catbyte]

13. They will NOT succeed in Michigan. No freaking way. The legislature does not have the power

to overturn the election. They do not have more power than our Governor, Secretary of State & Attorney General. They're just throwing shit at the wall to see if anything will stick. Here in Michigan, it won't.

[SoonerPride]

15. Laws only apply to those who obey the law. They will appoint their own electors

Whether or not it is "legal" they don't give a shit.

We will see if courts do.

My guess is only a maybe.

[brooklynite]

48. Very simple question: what WOULD convince you that your worries are unfounded?

[SoonerPride]

52. If the entire Republican senate came out and said Biden is president elect

That’s what

[cwydro]

76. So you need republicans to reassure you?

Oh my oh my.

[SoonerPride]

79. Sicne they are the ones who are attemptign the coup, yes, I need them to show they have stopped

Until then, I will remain worried.

Thanks.

[cwydro]

80. Well, plenty of good Dems on this board have attempted to reassure you.

You’ll have to look elsewhere for right wing reassurance.

Good luck!

[SoonerPride]

81. Yeah, I expect no such assurance because they are trying to install a dictator.

[Kaleva]

66. They don't have the votes to do such a thing.

You are assuming every Repub in the state legislature will go along with such a scheme. There is no evidence that that is likely to happen. There is evidence that it won't.

[SoonerPride]

68. We shall see very shortly.

trump will try to persuade, threaten, bribe, and beg them to do it.

we will see if they bend to his will.

so far, I have seen no republicans with a spine.

[Kaleva]

69. Repub leaders have already squashed an effort to impeach Gov. Whitmer

"But according to House Speaker Lee Chatfield, a Republican, impeachment proceedings will not advance in the House while he is the leader.

"It's no secret that I have disagreed with this governor. I have debated a lot with this governor. I have many differences with how the governor has handled COVID. We have a time and place to deal with differences — that's at the ballot box. The voters of the state of Michigan will have a chance to choose in 2022," Chatfield said in a statement reported by WOOD-TV.

"Republicans are not the party of people who impeach just because they disagree with someone. We just saw that in Washington. We're not going to do that in the state of Michigan. With the facts that we have, the impeachment resolution is not going to get a vote on the House floor. It's not the right way to deal with this situation or this disagreement.

"The idea of impeachment would face another, likely insurmountable, obstacle even if it did proceed," Chatfield continued. "In the Senate there are 22 Republican and 16 Democrats. It would take 25 votes to convict. Even if the process was to make it out of the House, which it clearly will not, getting the votes in the Senate would be difficult if not impossible.""

http://www.tathasta.com/2020/11/michigans-republican-house-speaker-will_19.html

[catbyte]

70. As if trump was impeached just because Democrats "disagreed" with him. Give me a break.

"Republicans are not the party of people who impeach just because they disagree with someone. We just saw that in Washington. .."

[Kaleva]

71. Irregardless, there will be no impeachment of Gov. Whitmer

[dchill]

14. It's a Koup.

A Keystone Koup Klutz Klan Koup!

Which IS definitely dangerous.

[liberal_mama]

43. I couldn't agree more. Never underestimate Trump :(

I'm trying to be optimistic, but I keep getting a bad feeling about this.

[Bettie]

72. That's where I am

and, while I hope for the best, I know that this guy has one thing he's good at and that's gaming the system.

We've discovered that elected (and frankly, non-elected) Republicans, generally speaking, have zero ethics, zero integrity, but a whole lot of willingness to do anything to get their way.

Our side plays by rules that don't apply anymore because only one side accepts that rules even exist.

[hamsterjill]

86. I agree with you.

Our side plays by the rules and then acts surprised when the other side does not.

Dems need to take control of this situation with a massive and effective media blitz. Joe and Kamala should have a press conference daily, loudly, and every Democratic Senator and Congressional Rep should be on prime time getting the word out as to what Trump is doing and what they are doing to counter him.

Someone. Somewhere. Needs to tell little Donnie “no”.

[rurallib]

44. Even if the coup fails, the delays will greatly handicap the transition to Biden

[walkingman]

2. Never underestimate nasty Anglo people.

[cilla4progress]

3. Rollercoaster

here for me.

[Eliot Rosewater]

4. He caled them, this treasonous pile of shit called those two people and

they immediately said sure, why not, lets DESTROY THE COUNTRY for you, the biggest lying criminal on earth.

RAGE is the only thing I will have until justice is done.

He will destroy everything if he can.

[apcalc]

5. As I understand it, the certification is a done deal. Done yesterday.

[Proud liberal 80]

8. County

But not state...and the state is just as partisan

[leftieNanner]

11. It is

It's been sent up to the SOS office. Now Ass Face is trying to mess with the state Electors. Two high level R members of the legislature are traveling to DC to meet with him.

[catbyte]

17. I don't see how it could possibly work. From the MISOS webpage:

The Electoral College is comprised of 538 people, known as electors, chosen nationwide to meet in their home states and cast one vote per person for president and vice president. Michigan has 16 electors to reflect the number of senators and representatives it has in the U.S. Congress. Presidential candidates on the Michigan ballot submit a list of 16 qualified electors to the Secretary of State's Office. The 16 electors whose candidate wins Michigan's popular vote will participate in the Electoral College at the State Capitol in December.

Electors pledge to support the candidate they represent and may not vote otherwise. Michigan voters can be assured that all 16 Michigan electoral votes automatically go to the presidential candidate winning the popular vote.

https://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7-127-1633_8716-27662--,00.html

Edited to add emphasis

[leftieNanner]

23. I Agree

But that doesn't mean the Idiot in Chief won't try. Somebody floated the idea of Republican legislatures replacing their Electors with Trumpies and he has latched onto it. He will try anything and everything to change the results of the election. I believe he thought he had the whole thing rigged beforehand. Sucks for you Donnie! We got our people out to vote!

[catbyte]

24. It's against the Michigan Constitution to change a law after an election & have it retroactive. It's

a bullshit move designed to delegitimize the election and it will fail.

[leftieNanner]

25. This is very good to know

"it will fail" just like all of Donnie's other crap.

[Cha]

59. TY catbyte & for the Emphasis, too!

These Doom & Gloomers & Naysayers are Pissing me right the hell off.

[catbyte]

64. Me, too. The Governor, Secretary of State & Attorney General will not allow our votes to be

stolen, nullified, or voided. Neither will We The People of Michigan.

[Cha]

67. So grateful these People are in CHARGE!!

[llmart]

94. This is why the 2018 election was so important to our state.

Without these amazing Democratic women, we would not be as confident that the right thing would be done. Our state is in good hands.

Let that be a lesson to everyone on here about how important midterm elections are.

[Mike 03]

7. And depending on which numbers you believe, somewhere around 30%

of the US population will believe this!

I don't think Trump will "steal" the election, but the damage he's causing is incalculable.

[lagomorph777]

38. 30% of the population are worthless scum. That's not gonna be anything new.

70% will be more than enough to start rebuilding democracy with.

[renate]

65. I think you've boiled the situation down perfectly

It's so sad about the 30%. But thank goodness for the 70%.

[Beaverhausen]

12. I agree with you about SCOTUS

I wouldn't put it past them to help trump steal this. I however have some hope that John Roberts won't allow it.

[SoonerPride]

16. Roberts is in the minority now.

[Beaverhausen]

21. But as Chief Justice can't he just refuse to take the case(s)?

[regnaD kciN]

57. No.

[liberalmuse]

18. Contact your Representatives

I've contacted mine. I've asked them to consider Impeachment. Trump has more than overstepped his bounds in directly contacting election officials in order to skew the outcome of the election in his favor. He needs to be removed from office ASAP. We simply cannot continue on this path for 60+ more days and expect our Democracy to remain intact.

[hamsterjill]

87. Understood.

But I’m expecting help from Ted Cruz and John Cornyn?

[liberalmuse]

90. Um, never mind.

I'm so sorry!

[hamsterjill]

93. Thank you.

I do routinely call them anyway. It makes me feel good to take up their voicemail space.

[Fullduplexxx]

20. We need to change our constitution this elector shit is ridiculous

N

[philly_bob]

28. In presidential election disputes, House is 1-state-1-vote, not

1-representative-1-vote. This gives Republicans the House.

The issue goes to House if decertifications cause Biden's electoral votes to go below 270.

That's my understanding of the 12th amendment. Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not a lawyer.

Trump already has Senate and Supreme Court.

I don't think media and Dems are taking this threat seriously.

[philly_bob]

97. Fixing misinformation in above post

If a state refuses to certify, the target is not 270, as I say above, but a percentage of the remaining states with certified election -- less than 270.

[StarfishSaver]

100. 1 State 1 Vote doesn't apply to all disputes - only to a tie in the Electoral College

All other disputes that go to the House are settled by majority vote.

And if they don't get settled, the Speaker becomes president.

And if a state doesn't certify, the winner is the candidate who wins a majority of the certified electors, not the full 538.

[philly_bob]

103. Thanks, Starfish. We're all responsible for this on the final exam! /nt

[grobertj]

29. The Michigan Secretary of Status just told Katy Tur that the election was certified!

There is no legal means to change a certification vote. Michigan is done...nothing to worry about.

[NutmegYankee]

32. Did the Board of State Canvassers meet?

That was the next step and opportunity to interfere.

[Proud liberal 80]

34. Was it the county or state

I think only the county has

[LAS14]

78. I searched Google news. Nothing about state certification being completed. Maybe...

... he/she was talking about conties?

[StarfishSaver]

101. That's not what she said.

She said the counties had certified and the state board of canvassers is required to certify those results. They don't have any discretion.

[Lochloosa]

30. Michigan only has 16 electoral votes. It won't change anything even if they vote for the traitor.

[Proud liberal 80]

33. My fear is

If he is doing these shenanigans there, what does he have planned for the others

[Lochloosa]

37. Michigan is a done deal. No way to legally change the votes now that they are certified.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142632155

[Proud liberal 80]

40. Not a done deal

The State Board of Canvassers still have to meet and certify...and they have the same 2-2 partisan makeup. And the Republicans on the board (norm shinkle and Aaron Van Langeveld) are already acting like they will vote no.

[StarfishSaver]

102. If they deadlock, a court will order them to certify or certify the results itself.

[brooklynite]

36. "Michigan Secretary of State says Presidential Vote is certified"--Political Wire

PANIC!!!

[obamanut2012]

42. That may be why Trump is bringing the Leg heads to DC

Since trying the Legislature gambit is all they have left.

What are you thinking? (I sincerely want to know)

[brooklynite]

46. I'm thinking the election is over in Michigan and nothing more will happen...

Biden's Electors will vote for him. End of story.

[obamanut2012]

47. That is my belief, too

You tend to be very pragmatic about this stuff, too, so was curious.

[brooklynite]

49. The "PANIC!" was sarcasm; the number of people convincing themselves thathis is hopeless is annoying

[obamanut2012]

58. hahaha I figured!

[SoonerPride]

60. Equally annoying is everyone who sticks their heads in the sand pretending everything is normal

It is far from "normal" and we are teetering on the precipice of a dictatorship.

Will it succeed?

One hopes not.

We may yet have a few bulwarks stand up and carry on normal election processes.

But I am not nearly so sanguine about those bulwarks holding.

[brooklynite]

61. I never said it was normal. I said it was reality.

Despite Trump's tweets and legal machinations, NOTHING is happening to change the end result.

[Cha]

63. Tell me about it.. the Doom &

Gloomers are Not helping.

[PufPuf23]

56. This is the most optimistic scenario. nt

[uponit7771]

53. Get nervous after December 12th that is when Congress certifies the election before that its talk

[LeftInTX]

77. Jan 6th is when Congress certifies

[uponit7771]

84. Dang it, .. what happens on December 11?

[LeftInTX]

88. Dec 14th: Electoral College votes

[uponit7771]

89. thx !!

[Kaleva]

62. If the MI State Board deadlocks, then it goes to court where Trump has a very poor track record.

[LanternWaste]

83. I won't pretend to know what tomorrow brings, or next week or next month

as there as many people much better at pretending to know the future than me, yet I remain boldly confident that our democratic system can resist and overcome the petulance and pettiness of sacred cows and demagogues.

[mnmoderatedem]

91. I'm not worried about them succeeding. I'm far more worried

about Red Don burning down the house.

I'm worried about withholding or destroying records and information related to COVID or other critical national security information, for no other reason than spite, and sticking it to Biden and the dems. Of course this is immeasurably damaging to the country as a whole.

But to the trumpists, sticking a finger in the eye of the democrats is far more important to them than national security issues. Always has been.

[spinbaby]

92. I think we're all anxious

My dentist said she’s never seen so much tooth grinding.

[greenjar_01]

98. What else is new?

[Tarc]

106. "concern"

[StarfishSaver]

109. A lot of that seems to be going around