rump judges: 'Therapy' to make kids stop being gay is 'free speech' so it's OK

[turbinetree]

By Casey Quinlan -November 20, 2020 3:30 PM

Two judges for the 11th Circuit struck down laws that prohibit the harmful practice of 'conversion therapy.'

A pair of judges appointed by Donald Trump ruled Friday that bans in two Florida counties on anti-LGBTQ "conversion therapy" were unconstitutional.

"Conversion therapy" is a dangerous practice that claims gay, bisexual, and lesbian people's sexual orientation and trans people's gender can be changed through the use of methods that groups of psychiatric professionals consider harmful to LGBTQ people's mental health.

Twenty states in the United States have bans on the so-called therapy for minors.

The judges, Barbara Lagoa and Britt Grant, both U.S. Circuit judges for the Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit, were both appointed by Trump and were among a three-judge panel charged with determining whether bans on the "therapy" in Boca Raton and Palm Beach should be allowed to stand. The third judge on the panel, Judge Beverly C. Martin, was appointed by President Barack Obama and dissented in the case.

Lagoa and Grant claimed Friday that the bans violated the First Amendment.

Published with permission of The American Independent Foundation.

https://americanindependent.com/donald-trump-appointed-judges-bans-on-dangerous-anti-lgbtq-therapy-unconstitutional/

[RKP5637]

1. Yet more crappy judges!

[turbinetree]

2. What is truly remarkable is that this "stuff" will go on for years with these types of judges.......

And the only way to stop this "stuff" is to expand the courts...................

[RKP5637]

5. I truly hope something will happen. There are way too many crazies in the justice system and

politics. And often they do little to really protect people, but rather rule in favor of their own hatefulness, bigotry and/or money thrown at them. It's disgusting!!!

[turbinetree]

11. Yepper spot on................

[Karadeniz]

3. So they viewed this as a free speech case? I would've thought it should've been a medical

Malpractice case.

[Volaris]

6. Yes but since it's a free speech case, the counter argument gets to be easy:

Religions get to say whatever lunacy they want. The rest of us are not required to abide it as medically sound.

I'm actually fine with this at this point. Some asshat will put it back in court as medically and scientifically sound, and then they can move to Dover, PA (cause the outcome will be the same)

[DBoon]

4. so is using leeches to bleed away fevers free speech too?

So no medical practice can be banned under the guise of free speech?

[coti]

10. Good frame.

Also, I think the "free speech" angle is twisted here in that there's no right to forcing people to LISTEN to such bullshit. No one's saying they can't have any opinion they want- that doesn't mean they have the right to subject others continually to it, which is what this "treatment" is.

[matt819]

7. Drink bleach

Hey, free speech.

Forced sterilization. Hey, free speech.

[Solly Mack]

8. How are physical, sexual, emotional/mental abuses a 1st amendment issue?

How is hate translated into action protected?

How is ignorance translated into action protected?

Your bigoted words might be protected but once you put those words into action you cross the line into violating the rights of others.

You can hate me all you want but once you act on that hate against me, then you've violated my rights.

[applegrove]

9. It would be torture for those fprced into it.

[blueinredohio]

12. It might be free speech but its not legal to force it on someone when they don't want to hear it.

[gratuitous]

13. Unfortunately, minors in their parents' custody may not have the right not to hear it

[IowaGuy]

14. Does this mean we can force Republicans into "therapy"? (NT)

[KT2000]

15. they gave up forcing left-handed children

into doing everything with their right hand. It was considered cruel, not free speech.

[DBoon]

16. cruelty is the only speech that republicans know

if they were not allowed to humiliate and inflict pain on others they would be silent