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Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:13 PM

Wisconsin officials: Trump observers obstructing recount

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-wisconsin-elections-dcb7da95578fc7289122c6d372575a9b

Wisconsin officials: Trump observers obstructing recount
By MICHAEL TARM

MILWAUKEE (AP) — Election officials in Wisconsin’s largest county accused observers for President Donald Trump on Saturday of seeking to obstruct a recount of the presidential results, in some instances by objecting to every ballot tabulators pulled to count.

Trump requested the recount in Milwaukee and Dane counties, both heavily liberal, in hopes of undoing Democrat Joe Biden’s victory by about 20,600 votes. With no precedent for a recount reversing such a large margin, Trump’s strategy is widely seen as aimed at an eventual court challenge, part of a push in key states to undo his election loss.

A steady stream of Republican complaints in Milwaukee was putting the recount far behind schedule, county clerk George Christenson said. He said many Trump observers were breaking rules by constantly interrupting vote counters with questions and comments.

Tim Posnanski, a county election commissioner, told his fellow commissioners there appeared to be two Trump representatives at some tables where tabulators were counting ballots, violating rules that call for one observer from each campaign per table. Posnanski said some Trump representatives seemed to be posing as independents.

At one recount table, a Trump observer objected to every ballot that tabulators pulled from a bag simply because they were folded, election officials told the panel.

Posnanski called it “prima facie evidence of bad faith by the Trump campaign.” He added later: “I want to know what is going on and why there continues to be obstruction.”

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Reply Wisconsin officials: Trump observers obstructing recount (Original post)
dalton99a Nov 21 OP
Marie Marie Nov 21 #1
Demsrule86 Nov 21 #2
Marie Marie Nov 21 #5
Post removed Nov 21 #13
Marie Marie Nov 21 #21
MoonRiver Nov 21 #31
ailsagirl Nov 21 #35
Marie Marie Nov 21 #37
argyl Nov 21 #44
Marie Marie Nov 21 #56
Demsrule86 Monday #59
Demsrule86 Nov 21 #47
Marie Marie Nov 21 #57
C_U_L8R Nov 21 #3
Thomas Hurt Nov 21 #4
Tech Nov 21 #6
Chicago1980 Nov 21 #14
DFW Nov 21 #16
Chicago1980 Nov 21 #18
DFW Nov 21 #19
newdayneeded Nov 21 #39
Windy City Charlie Nov 21 #7
Barbara2423 Nov 21 #8
The Genealogist Nov 21 #9
SlogginThroughIt Nov 21 #11
kacekwl Nov 21 #10
bronxiteforever Nov 21 #12
Maeve Nov 21 #15
wnylib Nov 21 #36
klook Nov 21 #40
DFW Nov 21 #17
roamer65 Nov 21 #20
Retrograde Nov 21 #22
bluecollar2 Nov 21 #23
GoCubsGo Nov 21 #50
bucolic_frolic Nov 21 #24
Nevilledog Nov 21 #25
AleksS Nov 21 #38
crickets Nov 21 #51
AleksS Nov 21 #52
crickets Nov 21 #58
world wide wally Nov 21 #26
RockCreek Nov 21 #27
TryLogic Nov 21 #28
warmfeet Nov 21 #29
58Sunliner Nov 21 #30
groundloop Nov 21 #32
bluestarone Nov 21 #41
sunonmars Nov 21 #33
Lonestarblue Nov 21 #34
BobTheSubgenius Nov 21 #42
Midnight Writer Nov 21 #43
gulliver Nov 21 #45
efhmc Nov 21 #46
MFM008 Nov 21 #48
Keth Nov 21 #49
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 21 #53
IsItJustMe Nov 21 #54
LiberalFighter Nov 21 #55

Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:16 PM

1. I AM SO F'IN SICK OF THIS SHITHEAD AND ALL OF HIS SHIT. ENOUGH!!!

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Response to Marie Marie (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:17 PM

2. So what can be done?

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:19 PM

5. Damned if I know.

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Response to Marie Marie (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:43 PM

21. Much thanks to whoever alerted on that post. I was a little shocked to be attacked for

expressing outrage at the never ending chaos coming from Trump and just needed to vent. It was not my intent to offend any one with my post.

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Response to Marie Marie (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:13 PM

31. I didn't see that post, but your OP definitely didn't offend me

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Response to MoonRiver (Reply #31)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:22 PM

35. Ugh-- I take it a trumper was here

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Response to MoonRiver (Reply #31)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:31 PM

37. Thank you both.

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Response to Marie Marie (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 07:07 PM

44. I didn't see the post that was removed but I couldn't agree more with your post.

I am also just sick to death of this orange asshole. I just want him gone. Two more months of this filthy creature in the White House. I survived four years of this monster so I guess I can survive the last two months of this wretched thing.

The politest name I use for it is The Dotard. Kim's a third generation horror show and despicable bastard but the name's perfect.

MIRT does a hell of a job yanking offensive postings. Good to see they Xed out another Dotard humper.

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Response to argyl (Reply #44)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 10:01 PM

56. Thank you.

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Response to Marie Marie (Reply #56)

Mon Nov 23, 2020, 12:07 PM

59. Welcome!

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Response to Marie Marie (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:09 PM

47. I don't know what the poster said or what happened but I didn't find your post offensive.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #47)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 10:01 PM

57. Thank you.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:17 PM

3. People need to start going to jail

Enough of this ridiculous bullshit, Trump.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:18 PM

4. video this crap and go to a judge

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:19 PM

6. Wisconsin republicans are assholes.

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Response to Tech (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:31 PM

14. Republicans in general are.

They’re by no means confined to Wisconsin.

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Response to Chicago1980 (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:36 PM

16. Wisconsin has a special breed of Republican that is especially toxic

Joe McCarthy was one, James Sensenbrenner is one, Scott Walker is one.

Paul Ryan was mild by comparison, if that is any indication.

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Response to DFW (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:39 PM

18. The inbred kind.

Yeah... Russian Ron is quite toxic.

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Response to Chicago1980 (Reply #18)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:41 PM

19. Yes, he is one of the more poisonous types. n/t

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Response to Tech (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:46 PM

39. Vos

Watch this Robin Vos guy, I'm afraid he a future trump like candidate. This guy is scary and stupid, ring a bell?

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:19 PM

7. Delay tactics

So it can't get certified

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:20 PM

8. Arrest them already. They will stop.

The media is falling for the trick - again.


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Response to Barbara2423 (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:22 PM

9. The media loves this

they're getting rich from it, I'm sure.

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Response to Barbara2423 (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:25 PM

11. What does the media have to do with it?

In one sentence you say arrest them. In another you say the media is falling fir it. What do those two things have to do with each other and what would you arrest them for? It will have to go to court.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:25 PM

10. I assume trump campaign is paying for this. Time

to charge overtime/double time for their efforts to obstruct. This dog and pony show is being recorded I hope.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:29 PM

12. The Trump traitors seek to make us slaves

by aping the bullying tactics of their master. What dark days for the old republic! May we all hang on in the midst of this suffering until we see the rosy fingered dawn of January 20th.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:35 PM

15. Mob rule in action

Some "conservatives" like to insist we're a republic, saying democracy is "mob rule" but "mob rule" is actually "control of a political situation by those outside the conventional or lawful realm, typically involving violence and intimidation."

Tell me that is not what we are looking at.

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Response to Maeve (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:24 PM

36. I laugh at people who think they are

saying something profound when they claim that this is a republic and not a democracy. A republic is a representaive democracy, which is one form of democratic government. A parliamentarian constitutional government is another form of democracy. Democracy is rule by the choices of the people, from the bottom up versus top down rule of a dictatorship or absolute monarchy.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #36)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:50 PM

40. Thank you. Basic civics used to be taught in schools. (nt)

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:38 PM

17. What is the difference etween "observer," "disruptor," and "gangster?"

In the case of some Republicans, evidently none whatsoever.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:42 PM

20. The election was already certified.

Obstruct the recount all they want. It does nothing to change the outcome.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:45 PM

22. They want another Brooks Brothers riot

That's why they keep trying to pack the counting locations with their minions, claiming their just "observers"

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:45 PM

23. The observation process should be broadcast live

Without commentary on a local television feed. Just a caption identifying the individuals involved.

This kind of disruptive behavior thrives in a anonymity.

Assholes hate being identified.

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Response to bluecollar2 (Reply #23)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:29 PM

50. Yup, or at least live-streamed on multiple Internet sources.

YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, local TV News web pages...anywhere and everywhere.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:47 PM

24. You knew that's where he was headed with all this drama

totally expected.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:51 PM

25. ...

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Response to Nevilledog (Reply #25)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:35 PM

38. So true. Yesterday Trump observers left

For lunch, and didn’t return for HOURS. And they stopped the counting while the observers were gone. And when the observers returned, it was dudes in suits, throwing objections around like fools.

One was harassing my wife while she counted. Talking smack, taking pictures and videos.

Today was more of the same. Arriving late. Making ridiculous demands. Just being assholes.

They are not good people.

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Response to AleksS (Reply #38)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:36 PM

51. That's crazy. I don't understand - if they're late, they should just miss out.

The poll workers shouldn't have to stop counting just because the people who claim to want to observe don't show up on time. I'm sorry they're having to go through this. Please thank your wife for all of her hard work. It is appreciated.

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Response to crickets (Reply #51)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 09:27 PM

52. That's what I told her too!

I don't understand it at all.

They're ALLOWED to be there, not REQUIRED to be there. It's a privilege that they are granted the opportunity to observe. If they don't show up, that's on them. But of course, everyone always has to bend over backwards for the trumpies.

On a funnier/sadder note, one trump observer today was flagging ballot after ballot after ballot, but what she hadn't noticed is that the stack of ballots she flagged were all Trump votes. SO when they were handed to the election official and observer to take to the challenge room, and the observer saw she had challenged all Trump votes, she suddenly had a change of heart, reconsidered, and decided those ballots looked good, and didn't need to be challenged after all. Oopsie. Your motivation is showing...IOKIYAR. What's OK for a trump ballot, just isn't ok for a Biden ballot.

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Response to AleksS (Reply #52)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 10:22 PM

58. It's blatant already, but when they make it *that* obvious...

Thank goodness this will all be over soon.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 05:54 PM

26. Throw their asses in jail...

and when you put them in the police car, don't be too gentle.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:01 PM

27. Charge them for the extra time! N/t

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:07 PM

28. Isn't that sedition? Or treason?

Obstructing democracy?
Attempt to obstruct lawful constitutional process, function, or procedure?
Conspiracy to obstruct lawful constitutional process, function, or procedure?

Treason - The crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:10 PM

29. In any other Democracy, on this planet,

this would be prosecuted as Treason. The asshole committing this crime would be removed from office immediately, pending official proceedings.



It feels sooooooooooo good to be number 1. Sure does feel, and smell, like number 2.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:10 PM

30. I hope there is a mechanism or law by which they can toss those people out.

This is planned and coordinated to drag out the count and alter results.

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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #30)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:17 PM

32. Yep, and somewhere down the road they'll bitch about it taking too long.

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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #30)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:53 PM

41. Don't know the rules BUT i say

If they are continue coming late the door will STAY LOCKED!!!

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:21 PM

33. From what I gather, if the recount does not finish in time because of this, the original count will

stand, they are only obstructing themselves.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:22 PM

34. Isn't this essentially what Trump did in 2016 in Wisconsin?

I remember some articles about the chaos his lawyers caused for the recount, and even the Jill Stein observers were frustrated because the Trump nuts were challenging every Democratic vote.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 06:56 PM

42. My guess is that they are trying to make the process as odious as possible.

They are hoping that, by being that objectionable, that voting officials will...what? Make mistakes? Concede points or ballots because they are so worn out by constant arguing?

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 07:03 PM

43. Assholes never get tired of churning out shit.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 07:58 PM

45. Now we see why they were willing to pay for a recount they are sure to lose.

Publicity for their attack on democracy. Not to ensure or change the count. They were buying a chance for their "observers" to raise a stink and create these news stories for Fox and other outlets.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:06 PM

46. Read on Twotter that is if the recount is not done on time, the orginal count is used.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:16 PM

48. drag their ignorant

obviously white asses behind that line.

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #48)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 08:21 PM

49. a good Saturday night chuckle

reminded me when Dolly Parton said something along the lines that "our little white asses aren't the only ones that matter.."

but, seriously. Don't they have rules for the recount and if the the rules aren't followed then you kick them out on "their little white asses."

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 09:43 PM

53. So do they think Trump is going to some how win if they delay it?

Their logic escapes me.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 09:49 PM

54. They are pulling the same racist shit that they are pulling in Michigan.

Yes, it is racist when you only pick counties that have large black populations to recount in. Seems to me there needs to be some black voters come forward in Wisconsin, like they are doing in Michigan, and get this stopped.

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Response to dalton99a (Original post)

Sat Nov 21, 2020, 09:53 PM

55. Two options that I see.

1) Remove them if they obstruct. Remove anyone beyond the allowable per table. Tell the county party they can replace them but if they do the same they will be removed.

2) Allow it to continue and Trump campaign will have to pay any additional costs for the recount.

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